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If your mood of "deja vu kw" is a reference to the fact that you think the proposed Koch for Foulke/MJ trade is equivilant to the Wells/Siro trade, then that is the funniest thing that you have ever posted - if not, never mind

Koch offers us what that Foulke doesn't? I am not asking to argue, I am asking to learn. Foulke has blown some big games for us, and scares me sometimes, but has won some for us too - is Koch on the upside or downside of his career? I don't know much about him.

But Jesus didn't have a Nike contract that he was trying to pump new life into, so one comeback was good enough for him

ok, so I've gotten one of his multitude of retirements confused with the multitude of his I'm back's. All I know is he always managed to keep the focus on him and he took it away from the Sox.

I respect anyone who names B. B. King and uses the phrase "white boy _______" which is the way I describe Linkin Park, white boy rap. (Not a knock on Linkin Park by the way, I like them a hell of a lot and I read they are recording their next one now.)

Em is the best. I like Ludacris a lot, saw him with Em in August. Papa Roach was also on the bill and I could not think of one thing they did that hadn't been done before. Xzibit was also good in concert. Big Tymers I do not know and will check them out.

your posts are all demented and dis-arranged. That is God's way of telling you not to bash the Bad Boys!!!!!!!!!! I also loved the 74-75 Bulls. Loved the Bulls until they signed Quentin Daly (spelling). Any team that would draft that piece of s*** was not worthy of my support. and now you have re-formatted me too, RPS!

And how many championships did the Bulls win with a team 1/4 Pistons? Especially Dennis Rodman, who we were more than happy to send away and never understood everyone in Chicago lining up to perform oral sex on him. When his mere picture stopped traffic on the Kennedy - gees you all overdid Rodman admiration! I liked the 85 Bears, does that help?

Agreed on both counts.

Very much agreed. I resented him a lot when we were in the 93 playoffs and he took all the focus off of the Sox by his "I'm back" games - upstaged the Sox on purpose, all that media gathered for the playoffs, just to feed his preening ego. Really disliked him for that. Of course I am a Piston fan so what do I know.

I will chime in with high praise for the awesome Mario!

One band, the Beatles. The big 5: Beatles, Neil Young, Janis Joplin, Joni Mitchell, Eminem also really liKe current: Linkin Park, Mary J. Blige, TLC, Obie Trice, 50 Cent. and, opera.

"Roxors" means what in old people language?

interesting question from a poster named sox head s Two heads are better than one...

None of that is acceptable to me. But all the f***ing b****ing in the world will not change it. All of the f***ing pessimism and all of the f***ing Ain't Gonna Happen s*** in the world will not bring us a World Series either. So I might as well enjoy being a Sox fan and hope for the best, because in case you all haven't noticed, the nasty things that get posted are not causing any change in direction of the Sox. What will be, will be, and no one wants to see a World Series more than me. I am no f***ing optimist about next season and for all I have seen of KW I don't yet know how I feel about him. But damn it all to hell, I can cuss JR out all the f***ing livelong day and know what? Ain't gonna change a goddamn f***ing thing, and it makes me miserable. Since I enjoy the Sox, I take as it comes, with my hopes and my fears wrapped up in my love of the Sox.

The sense of desparation, I hadn't thought of, but you are right. But then Jimmy Rabbit Smith Jr was desparate, so when Em raps as Rabbit he can be desparate, but when Em raps as Slim Shady, as he himself has said, "I can't rap 'bout being poor no more." Rolling Stone mag did suggest that Slim might fade a little and Rabbit might be the new vehicle through whom Em speaks because there is new terriotry to explore there. Rap Game is D12, right? I agree, great song. Agree on Obie Trice and 50 cent. I also liked the change of pace of Macy Gray's track. But my favorite is the song 8 Mile itself. That has a relentless beat, it just drives, and that's the one that I play the most.

HB, Apu!

Happy Turkey day? Everyone in Michigan is betting on what will be biggest turkey decisions by Lions coach Morningweh during the T-day game.

Can jagoffs f***? If they are jacking off, it would seem physically impossible to also f***. Of course, since ND fans can go f*** themselves, I suppose anything is possible.

Pay offs!

Baggio, glad you are an Oregon State U alum - I met some Washington fans this season, same day of course UM beat UW, and they ranked UM fans as the best they ever met - true, even though credefan will scoff. They told me the absolute worst fans anywhere were Oregon fans. Told me some horrible tales about classless Oregon. and credefan, we didn't beat OSU this year, damn it all, but through history we have won about 66% of the time. The loss hurt, but I vastly prefer our history. At least, credefan, OSU actually scored their touchdowns against us this year, unlike a certain ego-ridden school in Indiana.

SI1020, there is good news in jazz! From the NPR site: Saxophone legend John Coltrane's 1964 recording A Love Supreme is one of the masterworks in the canon of jazz. A new edition includes the only live performance of the complete work. Writer Ashley Kahn, whose new book goes behind the scenes of the landmark album, has an essay on the project. It was performed in Paris, I think, somewhere in France, and from what snippets I heard, it sounds great. The tape of it was sitting in storage somewhere, it had been forgotten that this recording existed, and then it was discovered, etc. Don't say these aren't great days to be a jazz or Sox fan - there is always something good happening.

Have you heard Joni Mitchell's newest release? Some of her stuff from her work with Charles Mingus is on it, and it has all been re-arranged with Herbie Hancock, Wayne Shorter, etc. It is not really jazz as I know jazz, but it is close. Django Rheinhardt's name pops up now and again. I don't think I have ever heard a note of his music but I know that he is praised by a lot of great artists out there in genres other than jazz.

But it is music in a different form. 35 years there were many who were saying that what the Beatles were doing was just noise and not "real" music. Anyone can take a pre-recorded bass line, etc., and put something together - hell, I can do that on my Radio Shack keyboard. But play, for example, Nellie or Ludacris or almost any other rapper and you hear rap (words) overlaid on beat, and then play Em's stuff - there is something going on in Em's stuff musically that is IMHO very innovative and brilliant. No, he is not writing music in its traditional sense but I think that neither Lennon nor McCartney could write music either, in terms of writing notes on a scale (and some would argue that McCartney's post Beatles career proves he forgot how to make music...). And I don't think Harrison could either, they could not write music, but they could make music. And their work was criticized when they first used 4 tracks and then 8 tracks and other things we think of now as primitive in that genre. But listen to McCartney's so-called classical work, his concerto/symphony whatever he called it, and it is good pop, it is not Mozart. Lennon and McCartney excelled in rock and pop, two forms of music that had its own standards and definitions and tools. I am defining musicanship here as taking the materials at hand in the medium. For the rap medium, which uses scratching and sampling and pre-recorded bass lines, etc., to put it together like Eminem does shows some incredible musicanship. Give Nellie the same words as Em has and it won't sound the same, not anywhere near as good. The angry blonde kid has a musical gift, again of course IMHO. Sorry, HSC, we can never marry, alas, which means I lose the most splendid woman in the world, but I play rap too much for someone who hates it. That's ok, I love you anyway, you know that, and I think rap is an acquired taste. Now for those who were so surprized that "old" people could appreciate Eminem, don't be that surprized. The #1 purpose of rock is to piss off your parents. And Em does that quite well. But once the parents start to listen, if they listen, sometimes they will hear good music. My generation grew up with American Bandstand, where music was always rated as "having a good beat" and "you can dance to it." Em certainly has a good beat, and dancing to it, I suppose, depends on how you dance, but it is hard to sit still when he is playing. Give me Em any day over Britney Spears -- although as Em says, right now she's probably giving head to Fred Durst and or Carson Daly. And I think Em has a long career ahead of him. Reflect on this, young ones - at one time or another, Elvis, the Beatles, Kiss, Arrowsmith, Queen, Alice Cooper, Marilyn Manson all really seemed over the top and outrageous. Most of them are mainstream now, and the rest, quaintly eccentric. Ozzy once outraged a generation of parents and now he is family viewing. So Em was the 1999-2001 ultimate piss off your parents artist. Now that his fan base is broadening, once the parents (or in my case, grandparent) starts embracing Em, what will have to come along to be the next piss off your parents music? What will some day come along that will make Em seem safe and tame? Trust me, it will happen. And 30 years from now, children, you will be bashing your children's music as being noise and crap and not at all as good as the music was when you were a kid. You either keep embracing new music or you become an old nasty fossil screaming "turn that s*** off." It will happen to you, you will die before you get old, you will criticize what you don't understand, unless you really resist it.

You should see him in concert - talk about Wow. When I saw Eminem in Chicago, I was amazed at how polite and nice the audience was, best crowd that I have ever been in. The kids were there for one reason - to rock out - and I was impressed by them. Once Em took the stage, the place was total energy - and when it was over, everyone went back to being totally polite. And that is not just my own opinion. In the New York Times magazine article, they also commented on the totally pleasant, polite crowd at the Palace in Detroit (Auburn Hills) that was there to enjoy the music and that they did. The NYT also noted something that I did - very small grass usage by Em's audience. The air was maybe 95% less marijuana smoking than at the last Dylan concert I attended.