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Sox drop to 20th in payroll at $125.0M with this move, before a potential Lorenzen signing and or the millions due if they convert Moustakas and or Pillar for the OD Roster.
Jerry has to be pleased to avoid an eight figure final Cease payment, in addition to Yoan and likely Eloy and Nicky Lopez dropping off the payroll to get them under $100M barring unexpected additions.
Under $130M payrolls - At 3/11/24 + Net Cease / Wilson trade
East Central West
- 18. Washington Nationals $129.6M
- 19. Minnesota Twins $129.3M
- 20. Chicago White Sox $125.0M
- 21. Kansas City Royals $118.2M
- 22. Milwaukee Brewers $107.6M
- 23. Detroit Tigers $103.4M
- 24. Tampa Bay Rays $98.3M
- 25. Cleveland Guardians $98.0M
- 26. Baltimore Orioles $96.3M
- 27. Miami Marlins $96.2M
- 28. Cincinnati Reds $89.8M
- 29. Pittsburgh Pirates $83.6M
- 30. Oakland Athletics $60.9M
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2 hours ago, poppysox said:
How old are you:?🙂
54, hoping to live for at least a few more decades.
Luke Appling (retired 1950) the last White Sox for life Hall of Famer elected, before all of our time. Ted Lyons and Red Faber were the only other two White Sox. Frank Thomas should have been the fourth on this list.
2 hours ago, Harold's Leg Lift said:What a fantastic trade. The new guy done did good!
Agreed.
Can always nitpick, but without knowing all the offers/counteroffers among the three - four rumored teams the past few days, I'm happy with the haul.
Patience turned into far more than what the Orioles gave up in the Burnes trade, and definitely most certainly more than what Hahn would have acquired.
Now start working on the hitting additions the next two years to supplement Montgomery, Ramos, Quero, hopefully Gonzalez and others.
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6 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:
This is on par with what we’ve heard all offseason: Getz was targeting pitching in return for Cease.
#1-#3 SPs are what the Sox absolutely not going to sign with the White Sox, so even though TINSTAAPP, if one or both pan out, it's a fair return, plus Zavala is a solid addition.
Do agree they should keep Robert, can't endlessly dump your best players, and hopefully their will be new ownership before his contract expires. Would love to cheer for one solid White Sox for life HOF player before I die.
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5 minutes ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said:
I still think @harold insinuated Heads involvement
5th, 8th and 9th MLB ranked Padres Prospects if true.
https://www.mlb.com/prospects/padres/
3rd, 4th and unranked (Head - though at 19 obviously not an imminent MLB player) on FanGraphs
https://blogs.fangraphs.com/prospect-report-san-diego-padres-2024-imminent-big-leaguers/
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3 minutes ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said:
This insinuates Head
3 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said:@fathomwill be very happy Benetti isn't the anouncer anymore.
Be careful what you wish for.
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Just now, Sleepy Harold said:
https://blogs.fangraphs.com/prospect-report-san-diego-padres-2024-imminent-big-leaguers/
QuoteJairo Iriarte, SP
Signed: July 2nd Period, 2018 from Venezuela (SDP)Age 22.1 Height 6′ 2″ Weight 160 Bat / Thr R / R FV 50 Tool Grades (Present/Future)Fastball Slider Changeup Command Sits/Tops 60/60 55/60 45/60 30/45 93-97 / 100 The uberloose Iriarte enjoyed a two-tick velo bump in 2023, with his fastball sitting 94-97 mph and touching 100 in his early-season starts before backing into the 93-96 mph range late in the year. He has had a plus sweeping breaking ball in his repertoire for some time now, and the movement of that pitch is mirrored by the nasty rise and tail action on his fastball. Watching Iriarte pitch is like watching Slender Man throw 97; he is extremely loose and has premium arm speed. He already features a huge stride down the mound and big hip/shoulder separation, and he still clearly has room for muscle on his frame. His low-90s changeup flashes huge tail, so much that Iriarte often struggles to command it, but his arm speed makes me want to project on this pitch in a big way. Iriarte is rather skinny and only showed premium velocity for roughly half of 2023. There’s risk he doesn’t maintain this velo bump, but because he’s still projectable, there’s also a possibility it will continue to trend up.
Iriatre was a must-add 40-man guy during the offseason, and he has huge long-term ceiling. In most situations, a pitcher like him would be poised to spend his entire first year on the 40-man continuing to develop in the minors, but because the Padres are still so in need of pitching at this stage of the offseason, it’s plausible Iriarte will be called upon to pitch in their rotation at some point in 2024.
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2 minutes ago, Heads22 said:
https://blogs.fangraphs.com/prospect-report-san-diego-padres-2024-imminent-big-leaguers/
Drew Thorpe, SP
Drafted: 2nd Round, 2022 from Cal Poly (NYY)Age 22.3 Height 6′ 4″ Weight 205 Bat / Thr L / R FV 50 Tool Grades (Present/Future)Fastball Slider Curveball Changeup Cutter Command Sits/Tops 35/35 45/50 40/45 70/70 40/55 60/70 88-92 / 95 Thorpe came to the Padres in the Juan Soto trade and is poised to make an impact on their 2024 rotation. Pitchers with changeups as good as Thorpe’s and who throw as many strikes as he does tend to be high-floor propositions who pitch forever. His low-80s changeup, which he locates at will, has a ton of tail, and his ultra-short arm stroke helps trick hitters into seeing fastball out of his hand. The effectiveness of Thorpe’s slider (more average in terms of raw stuff) and fastball (below-average at just 90–92 mph) is enabled by his precise feel for location. He can sink his fastball down and to his arm side, or run a four-seam version of it past hitters at the letters. The Yankees coaxed a little more heat out of Thorpe (who sat 88–91 in college) during his time in their org, but not enough to give him impact velocity. He will throw the occasional cutter or curveball in an obvious fastball count to keep hitters guessing, but those pitches don’t currently have any more utility than that, though I think the cutter eventually will. This is a very polished 23-year-old who, given San Diego’s tendency to push prospects quickly, is likely to grab hold of a big league rotation spot in the upcoming season. We’re talking about plus command of a plus-plus changeup here; Jeremy Hellickson and Marco Estrada are fair recent comps.
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2 minutes ago, Quin said:
Oh my God it had to be the Padres.
This is either gonna make things come full circle or cause the Tatis Curse to go into overdrive
Caulfield should pay a proxy to play the Powerball for him tonight.
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Padres Prospects Primer - January 8, 2024
https://blogs.fangraphs.com/prospect-report-san-diego-padres-2024-imminent-big-leaguers/
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Morosi for the win.....
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2024/03/padres-finalizing-deal-for-dylan-cease.html
QuoteThe Padres are finalizing a trade for White Sox’s staff ace Dylan Cease, reports Jeff Passan of ESPN (on X). The return isn’t clear. MLB.com’s Jon Morosi reported this morning that San Diego and Chicago had recently discussed Cease.
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Just now, Sleepy Harold said:
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17 minutes ago, Autumn Dreamin said:
Shewmake has made a few nice plays at third. I think he's still in the running for the backup IF job. He's certainly been getting just as many looks as Mendick.
Glad they are playing him at third, as he has only played 2B / SS during his collegiate and professional career to date.
Would be really nice if Shewmake and DeLoach can start the season, or spend significant time during the season if productive as reserves in a solid rotation for playing time.
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51 minutes ago, Chisoxfn said:
I presume they really wanted good vet catcher(s) around the young pitchers but also around the Sox young catching prospects. They also probably knew Stassi and Maldonado were on their last legs but had the attributes they wanted so they doubled down in that direction. Hopefully all of young Sox catching prospects are spending a lot of time with them around the defensive and mental aspects of the game and at same time - I hope our various pitchers benefit from the experience they bring.
Probably overselling all of the above - but given how bad the stench from the outside was (and presumably even worse internally) - I can live with it, but I do agree with you - why everyone wrote off Lee vs. hey give him another few hundred AB's and lets see didn't make sense. I would imagine Lee will still get plenty of AB's (it isn't like it is that hard to replace the 2 catchers they have).
If the team allows younger players the chance to play regularly to assess future value, 2024 can be successful.
If we see what we have the past three seasons with over the hill veterans given priority in playing time over young players on the active roster, the Sox will waste another year.
26 minutes ago, WestEddy said:They couldn't have gone into '24 with Lee as the 26-man back-up. He looked seriously exposed last year. Not Adrian Nieto exposed, but exposed, nonetheless.
I rather have Lee as a third active catcher than Sheets or Moustakas. Let Lee back up first base a game a week, catch 2-3 games a week. Release one or both veteran catchers if they can no longer play at even a minimal MLB level.
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2 minutes ago, Colome's Hat said:
Did you ever hear of Billie Jean King? She literally proved this false.
How? Bobby Riggs was 55, beat the world's number one player Margaret Court 6-1, 6-2 before the Billy Jean King match, that I believe included he had to defend the doubles lines out, and the allegations that the match was rigged, pun somewhat intended.
Then you have the more recent example of Serena Williams getting destroyed after issuing her challenge.
Quote"Men's tennis and women's tennis are two completely different sports. Andy Murray would beat me 6:0 6:0 in 5 to 6 minutes. They serve harder, they hit harder... "
- Serena Williams
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1 hour ago, Dick Allen said:
I'd say current ownership would have to be no longer in the picture for them to be decent again, unless they get really lucky.
Don't see Jerry spending until the early to mid 2030s, after a new stadium, a move, or perhaps a short extension at the current stadium. Tony returning to manage again to catch 3,000 wins over a 2-3 year stretch would be the one exception.
New ownership may spend, have to hope for the best on that front when the time comes.
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Nottingham Forest is the EPL team I think of when trying to slot the Sox. One of the oldest teams, had a solid stretch a long time ago.
One of the bottom teams in the league, likely to stay there for quite some time or be relegated.
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Good news on the Giolito front. A brace procedure would result in a chance to pitch the entire 2025 season.
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2024/03/lucas-giolito-to-undergo-elbow-surgery.html
QuoteThe Red Sox announced this morning that Giolito underwent an internal brace procedure to repair the UCL in his right elbow. That comes with a shorter recovery timetable than a full Tommy John surgery and will give the right-hander a chance to pitch the entire 2025 season if things go smoothly in his rehab. He’ll likely still miss the entire 2024 campaign, however.
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2 hours ago, fathom said:
Has more power than any of our corner outfielders
JR Kiddy Table Ohtani. LMAO
"I mean, this kid we signed for $16M over two years can do everything. Can hit with power, a good fielder. And unlike Ohtani, he can pitch this season."
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6 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:
It’s like a train wreck any time a reporter puts a mic in front of his stupid face. Here, he sounds like one of my kids obviously lying when I ask him if he did his homework.
If this ends with a Lee Elia type rant, this one year plus will have been worth it.
Profanity - Viewer discretion is advised.
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On 3/6/2024 at 9:14 PM, mac9001 said:
There is no point to having Pillar on the team. There's at most 1 or 2 other teams that would even consider wasting a roster spot on him. Short of about 10 games in May last year when he went on a tear Pillar likely couldn't make the cut on most teams AAA rosters.
The Sox need a backup outfielder who can also cover CF. Time will tell if Fletcher can cover RF on a regular basis, but they need a solid reserve who can spell Robert Jr., who was already overtaxed last year with no suitable defensive substitutes after Engel was gone. Fletcher is not likely to be able to cover CF, even part time.
If Zach DeLoach has the arm to cover RF, I would prefer him over Pillar if only to see what the Sox have, especially since Colas won't be here to start the season. Have the same interest keeping Sosa over Moustakas.
Colas was working on covering first to spell Vaughn, but they should have been working Eloy over there to see if he can cover 20-30 games a season and give the team and Eloy future value down the road.
With Colas in AAA, it is looking more and more like Pillar (all three OF positions), Sheets (RF/1B) or Moustakas (1B/3B), and Mendick (2B,SS,3B, Emergency OF) are your three reserves plus Stassi on Opening Day. Hoping they are willing to toss any of these guys once Colas, Sosa and others are ready for promotion.
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5 minutes ago, WestEddy said:
I was wondering when they were going to find a replacement for Scholtens.
He will also replace Gavin Sheets as starting Right Fielder when he isn't pitching.
https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/l/lorenmi01.shtml
A poor owner's Ohtani, if you will/
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https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2024/03/white-sox-showing-interest-in-michael-lorenzen.html
Assessment of Michael Lorenzen
QuoteIt’s not clear if the Sox’s interest in Lorenzen is strictly contingent on a Cease trade. Yet dealing their projected Opening Day starter would leave Chicago looking for innings, if nothing else....
Lorenzen earned an All-Star nod with Detroit. He pitched to a 3.58 ERA through 18 starts as a Tiger before being dealt to Philadelphia at the deadline. His first two outings as a Phillie were brilliant, highlighted by a no-hitter against the Nationals on August 9. After that point, he was among the least effective pitchers in the majors. Lorenzen allowed an 8.01 ERA over his last nine appearances. The Phils kicked him to relief and only called upon him twice in the postseason.
It’s possible he wore down as he neared the end of his first full, healthy season as a starting pitcher....
The poor finish has apparently held up his market. Rosenthal reported last week that Lorenzen continued to hold out in search of a two-year contract. He has played the past two seasons on successive one-year guarantees valued at $6.75MM and $8.5MM, respectively. Cease is slated for an $8MM salary for the upcoming season. If signing Lorenzen were conditional on a Cease trade, it’d probably be around neutral from a financial perspective — particularly if Lorenzen does move off his ask for a two-year pact.
Assessment of current White Sox Rotation
QuoteKBO returnee Erick Fedde will occupy a spot in the rotation. The Sox will probably give a rebound opportunity to Michael Kopech, who allowed a 5.43 ERA over 30 appearances last season.
Michael Soroka hasn’t logged an MLB rotation workload in five years, largely on account of two Achilles tears. Chris Flexen allowed 6.86 earned runs per nine a year ago. Jared Shuster had an ERA approaching 6.00 over his first 11 big league starts. Touki Toussaint is better suited for a relief role. Rule 5 pick Shane Drohan will start the year on the injured list, while depth starter Jesse Scholtens underwent Tommy John surgery last month. Garrett Crochet is battling for a rotation spot but would be on an innings limit if he secures a starting job.
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6 minutes ago, TaylorStSox said:
Frank was 38, coming off a year in which he played in 34 games and was replaced by Jim Thome. Thome put up 4.8 WAR in 2006 on .598 SLG.
Thome also cost them over $14M plus another $30M the following two years, not to mention Gio Gonzalez and Aaron Rowand.
All Frank cost was $3.1M and Kenny swallowing a little of his pride and arrogance, but anyone familiar with the White Sox know pride and arrogance is the hallmark of the past 43 years.
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2 hours ago, CWSpalehoseCWS said:
Jack Brickhouse? The….. Cubs? It’s the Cubs, isn’t it?!
Just like Harry Caray, Jack Brickhouse was the primary White Sox announcer, including for the 1959 American League Pennant tean,
https://chicagobaseballmuseum.org/brickhouse-soxs-best-friend-20-years-tv-beyond/
Quote“A lot of Sox fans of a certain generation feel that Jack was simply just another shill-announcer for the Cubs because they actually never heard him broadcast a White Sox game,” said Sox historian Mark Liptak, a contributor to the Chicago Baseball Museum.
Cease To Padres per Passan
in Pale Hose Talk
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To me, the absolute floor I'd insist on if I was a MLB owner is the $105M + annually each team receives just for the national TV contracts plus MLB.com.
This is guaranteed before a single ticket is sold, car is parked, TV/Radio dollar is collected,, local sponsorship is sold. Before the tens of millions in revenue sharing for most of the bottom dozen teams (White Sox one of the few exceptions).
Getz will need to gather several more solid roster players for 2026-2027, field a few winning teams and hope fans come out so Jerry will get back to at least a decent payroll once these tanking years are over.
It's really a shame the Sox made the lottery last year, would have a solid shot at a Top 3 2025 draft pick with a much better draft class. Now they are 10 + guaranteed with the ridiculous MLB owner imposed draft rules.