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    De-troit sucks! 9-16 game thread 6:10

    in 2022 Season in Review

    Posted

    1 minute ago, Tnetennba said:

    28 pitch first

    Lynn had a similar start yesterday as well (high pitch count, 1 run allowed first two innings). It helped the Sox staked him to a 3 run lead before the bottom of the 2nd.

    Hopefully Lucas settles in as well, has had a much smaller margin of error with limited Sox offense behind his past two starts (0 vs. Oakland until his exit, 1 vs. Minnesota).

    That's a White Sox "Keep The Dream Alive" Winner !

    in Pale Hose Talk

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    1 hour ago, Balta1701 said:

    But they did drop the chances of the White Sox winning both. Up to Giolito to see if that matters.

    At first glance, Lucas has pitched just OK / mediocre against Detroit this season (1-1, 4.58) but looking further has held them to .588 OPS over 69 PAs (.200 BA, .275 OBP. .313 Slugging). Lucas struck out 21 of the 69 Tigers he faced. Mainly needs to throw strikes and he should be OK to solid.

    TLR out for the year

    in Pale Hose Talk

    Posted · Edited by South Side Hit Men

    3 hours ago, Texsox said:

    Here's my perspective, maybe it's biased. I watch high school kids bust their asses in their off season for a chance to try out for varsity. They don't have coaches motivating them all the time. Maybe it's a Texas thing, but I bet @southsider2k5sees the same thing in Indiana. 

    Maybe it's a teenager thing? No. My daughter runs ultra marathons. I think I can expect the same effort, pride, and competitiveness from an $8,000,000 professional baseball player as I see from an insurance agent running a 100k race. 

    Maybe Cairo went into the locker room and told those guys It's not their fault, they did all they could and it's Tony's fault. Maybe tossed in a shoulder rub. But I'm guessing he's holding them to a standard that professional athletes should have. I think if they can't individually hold themselves to that standard then cut back their party budget a bit and hire a professional motivator to give them a motivational backrub before the game. Fans and their employers deserve at least that. 

    And fire Tony. He was brought in to win a WS. This roster ain't playing in October so there isn't a need. 

    And if you think the roster is substantially better than 2020 keep Hahn. If you think it's the same or worse, fire Hahn. 

    And start dumping players that can't give 100% unless everything around them is perfect. That ain't ever going to happen. Champions overcome obstacles, they don't go catatonic and give up. 

    TLR / DNR: Poor TWTW and injury management throughout the year, a big house cleaning needs to occur and a brand new organization from top to bottom led by the best external candidates possible. They needed to do this after 2012. They needed to do this after 2016. They need to do this after 2022. I doubt it happens until Jerry is gone.

    1. Ganas / TWTW: It's hard for us to know on the outside who wasn't necessarily giving their all. We all have people we may suspect, like the sportswriter who circled eight players on his scorecard 103 years ago. 

    From my perspective, it was just a poor, improperly managed work environment. Players got frustrated seeing the same mistakes (positioning, throws not to cut-offs, poor pitcher game plans, poor batting approaches, poor baserunning and poor baserunning coaching (Super Joe) that led to debacles like the triple play and being among the worst teams at baserunning (Outs at home, outs on the bases, extra bases taken %), worst in defense and defensive positioning and among the worst in offense playing Tony's small ball preferred approach.

    2. Injuries / Injury Diagnosis & Management: Also hard for us to know, and perhaps some players are in the same boat, in terms of assessing who is hurt, who is trying to play through injury, who shouldn't be playing but is because of incorrect diagnosis, who was rushed back hurt who needed more time rehabbing, who was rushed back without a proper rehab assignment. Like #1, we have our suspicions, some players like Robert we have a somewhat broad consensus, others we just don't know. Some players may appear to be "loafing" but are really going above and beyond what they should be doing based on their injured status.

    3. Housecleaning: I think Tony, Hahn, Steve Stone and several to a dozen plus players should all be gone after the season. Would love to see Hawk Harrelson be hired by Jerry as White Sox Czar before Game 162, fire the first three pregame and then announce the game and give fans a true account of his frustrations with 2022 and his hopes before 2023. Hawk would then return to retired status, a solid outside baseball executive would conduct a search to find the next VP of Baseball Operations.

    The new VP hires an general manager (outside of the organization), and they begin to hire a manger and then staff. Cairo and or Katz should be considered in their current roles, but the VP and GM have final say.

    The new VP also needs to entirely rebuild the organization. Create a legitimate analytics department, New scouting and talent assessment beyond Marco Paddy, minor league instructors and managers. No more crony hires. no coaches hired based on their calligraphy skills, etc..

    It will take years to remake the organization. Is any of this likely in a Jerry Reinsdorf organization? No.

    Is this what Sox fans should hope for after he passes and a new ownership group is named? Yes.

     

    TLR out for the year

    in Pale Hose Talk

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    36 minutes ago, Quin said:

    I mean, not only does Tony bear a lion's share of the blame, but he was probably already hated by a large amount of people in Chicago due to his Cardinals' affiliation. 

    I can't speak for Cubs fandom and his Cardinal affiliation, but I can emphatically state a large number of fans disliked Tony La Russa in 1985 and 1986, and were happy after Hawk Harrelson fired Tony. Our entire section down the LF line booed him any time he left the dugout during the second half of 1985, and we gave up our weekend ticket plan because he returned in 1986.

    David Wells (thought he was drunk puking on the mound from our seats in the upper deck vs. the Cubs when he exited in the first inning), is the only other uniformed White Sox personnel I've ever booed going to games from 1976 to Spring Training 2020.

    I have sided with Dusty Baker over Tony La Russa throughout their feuds, including last season with Tony's accusations and whining after Game 4 (and Tepera's nonsense after Game 3).

    What's so good about Cleveland game thread 9-15 12:10 first pitch

    in 2022 Season in Review

    Posted

    3 hours ago, Stinky Stanky said:

    Every win since Tony's been gone goes on his record since he's still the official manager.   Hope that satisfies the old coot.

    You think Manfred would step in to prevent Jerry from cycling through interim managers for the next 12 + seasons until Tony passes Connie Mack?

    They can just wheel in Tony  or his frozen body to the dugout for the 3,731st and 3,732nd win, after which Tony can officially retire.

    There are no written rules preventing this scenario, and Tony is the only person who knows whether there are unwritten rules against this scheme.

    TLR out for the year

    in Pale Hose Talk

    Posted

    1 hour ago, Texsox said:

    As much as I love dumping on Tony. Be a fucking adult professional and play the game. If you need a fucking kick in the ass by a manager retire and work a real job. If people need that level of handholding they would never start a business. 

    How many people here can't do their jobs on their own? 

    The same could be said for Tony, if you can't motivate your team, or make rational strategic and lineup decisions, you need to retire and let someone else do the job. 

    Tony started a business, the Animal Shelter, and it's a mess because Tony is failing at managing it as well.

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    Luis Robert to the IL

    in Pale Hose Talk

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    6 hours ago, SoxBlanco said:

    This is the biggest mystery to me.  It's so obvious that the team has been playing with more intensity and fire, and has been having much more fun since TLR left.  No rational person can possibly want TLR back.  But what I don't understand is the home run boost.  Why are we all of a sudden lifting the ball and hitting it out of the park more frequently now?  Does playing loose somehow correlate to getting lift?  I can't figure that one out.

    EDIT:  I should add that I know people are saying the contact approach was TLR, but that still doesn't make sense. What was going to happen if they tried to hit more home runs? Would they be benched for not following the orders of hitting for contact?  No chance.  If they were capable of hitting the ball out of the park, why didn't they try it sooner?

    Yermin Mercedes enters the chat.

    Tony approved of this bean ball attempt. Tim Anderson's like "Child Please".

    This is the game Tony La Russa lost the clubhouse, and it never recovered until Miguel Cairo took over the ballclub.

     

     

     

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    What's so good about Cleveland game thread 9-15 12:10 first pitch

    in 2022 Season in Review

    Posted

    1 hour ago, pcq said:

    Watch Tony be back for the home stand but let Little Egypt run the show. 

    Would prefer sending Tony to Cairo, either Bumfuck Egypt (Illinois) or Egypt in Africa.

    1 hour ago, pettie4sox said:

    Where is KK and his daily dose of TLR knob slobbin? 😃

    I have hurt feelings?

    1 hour ago, chw42 said:

    Just keep Tony away from this team. 

    And Front Office beyond 2022.

    What's so good about Cleveland game thread 9-15 12:10 first pitch

    in 2022 Season in Review

    Posted

    32 minutes ago, EloyJenkins said:

    I think with the news of cedar point retiring the dragster coaster due to safety concerns, they should announce their newest rollercoaster guaranteed to speed thru ERA like nothing else in the world...the Gaddis!

     

    30 minutes ago, White Sox Park said:

    Yea, we'd have McKenzie and a totally different game.

    Cleveland is in a better position to know whether McKenzie needed additional rest, and they are definitely better than the Sox in evaluating players rest and injuries.

    Just taking this as Cleveland not wanting to drop this guy from the 40 man, or not having anyone else in the minors at this point who is better. They have promoted many players this season, so they may be at the bottom of the barrel. Their bullpen is running on fumes at this point, so a bullpen game wouldn't have been smart short or long term.

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