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QUOTE (GreenSox @ Dec 24, 2015 -> 02:45 AM) I just read something that he wants $20 for at least 5 years. I'm leery of tying up at high salaries for any of these guys more than 3 or so years. for me, maybe 4 yrs.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 24, 2015 -> 01:47 AM) Again, it is OK for you to state your opinion, but no one else. Got it. it is really nice to exaggerate the truth ..... so all these post i have always posted, i must be soo angry, and let me get this right, b/c they do not agree with me.....

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 24, 2015 -> 01:48 AM) Getting personal like accusing all of the admins and mods of ganging up against you? Again, only you get to argue. again i will submit to you to provide the exact post that i said ganging up.... don't take liberties with saying that i accuse anyone of this. and the word of ALL., where did i say that word when describing this so call ganging up????

QUOTE (shipps @ Dec 24, 2015 -> 01:55 AM) I will make one more post about this LDF. Where in the PHT forum do we ever state rumors as fact? There are rumors Gordon may sign with the Sox. Do we say Sox have signed Gordon based on something some website has stated even If its not reputable just because the Internet said it? No, everyone including you would demand a valid source. Why do you think you can come in this thread and play by different rules operating under your "for the sake of discussion" agenda that you always hide behind? and i have done so, i have always maintain that it is rumors that i have been saying, there are times that i did take liberty in failing to say that it was a rumor and that was on first response to a poster who stated something along the line of his trade and his lack of scoring from the previous yr. i said it was b/c of other incidents and keith. now, no one will be able to disprove what i said was wrong, and i will not disprove that there were other reason. i supplied those links from what i read back in feb.... then the question of whether those links are valid.... how can i know if they are... there were no retraction, no lawsuites.... for defamation of character.... i am more than sure there would have been a law suite. again, this is what you can not seem to understand and those who posted on this thread, posters.... have ..... a ..... right .... to .... their ..... opinion. whether it is right or wrong. no where does it says, every thing has to be in agreement. and then there were the other things..... see i have no problem being wrong, but it appears some poster do.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Dec 24, 2015 -> 02:17 AM) I agree with DA. If it takes eating more than half of LaRoche's contract, then just keep LaRoche and hope for the best. If money is so tight that the Sox need that tid bit of savings then they shouldnt be in the market for 100M players in the first place. 3-5M in savings is not much when were talking about players that are seeking 20M+ annually. Another way of looking at LaRoche is that he was so bad in '15 its hard to imagine him not rebounding to some extent in '16. Even if the Sox utilize LaRoche in a bench role he can provide some potential late inning pop as a PH and or 1B defensive replacement. Who knows? Maybe, just maybe, LaRoche batting in a lineup that now has Frazier and Lawrie to go with Abreu will help LaRoche in some way. It's a stretch but a possibility. DA is right, let's see what kind of ST LaRoche has and go from there. a nice complete pov. good job.

QUOTE (professa @ Dec 24, 2015 -> 02:01 AM) With the Bucs signing Jaso today, the potential trade destinations for Adam LaRoche is dwindling. I know I'm a minority on this but I think LaRoche could be a semi valuable piece for us this year. I think he has a chance to bounce back, especially if we can platoon him. If we sign an outfielder, I think keeping Avi Garcia as LaRoche's platoon partner wouldn't be that bad of an idea. Avi had a .293/.353/.407 slash last year against LHP, and has a career .765 OPS against lefties. If LaRoche can bounce back and give us at the least a 230/335/440 line with 18-20 HRs, that platoon could be semi effective. I think we'd be selling low if we traded Avi this offseason. Let's see if he can put up a .750-.770 OPS in ~200-250 ABs this year and maybe we can get something for him next offseason or even keep him. Now to Danks... We need more $$ to get an outfield bat, and since LaRoche is most likely staying here, I think our only option is to trade John Danks. Haven't investigated it that much, so perhaps someone else has a better trade scenario, but here's mine: Trade Danks to Milwaukee for Matt Garza and $4M. Why it makes sense for Milwaukee: The 'Crew are rebuilding, and Garza is making $25M over the next two years. I think they would much rather pay Danks the $15.75 he's owed this year than the $25M that remains on Garza's deal, even if it means they have to kick in some extra $$ to do so. Why it makes sense for the White Sox: It gives us the money we need this year to sign one of the Big 3 outfielders left on the market. Overall, we would save $3.25M this year plus whatever money MIL kicks in (I'll estimate anywhere from $2-$5M). So that gives us $5-$7M extra to put towards an outfielder. I know Garza was god-awful last year (5.63 ERA, 0.6 fWAR), and taking on 2 years of him is a risk. Here's why I think he'll bounce back to be a decent value: Although he is getting older, his fastball velocity was actually a tick higher than in 2014, when he produced a 3.64 ERA and 2.7 fWAR. He was also a victim of bad luck, as his BABIP was .319. Granted, his BB and HR rates were career worsts, and his K/9 dipped to 6.3, but I think in complete honesty it was just a flukey year. Steamer projects Garza to produce a 1.4 WAR next year and a 4.42 ERA, which is better than Danks' projections. Taking on an extra year of Garza sucks no doubt as he blocks Fulmer, but worst case scenario he can pitch out of the pen in 2017 like Edwin Jackson did this year. Look I think Danks is a good guy in the clubhouse and we know that we're going to get 180 innings out of him, but I think he is the only guy that can be moved on our roster to free up space and not create a hole elsewhere. i know you assemble a lot of good hard data and believe in it. but.... first for your weakest point. the sox trade danks, who will replace him in the rotation..... carroll, ej, who... now the rotation is down to 3 sp a question mark in ej and ??? second, garza, and 4 mil.... for 1 yr of danks .... some how the sox are taking it up the shorts on this... and many questions marks for a potential #5 sp. too much unknown for the risk. no offense.

QUOTE (blackmooncreeping @ Dec 24, 2015 -> 12:31 AM) Im not talking money savings, my point is to free up the roster/lineup spot. While youre at it you would end up gaining back 3 mil, but the main point/gain is creating flexibility and you got a point, and if you don't mind me interjecting, worst case scenario, for me is, if the sox can not trade him. dfa or waive or whatever that word would be.

QUOTE (Saufley @ Dec 23, 2015 -> 11:43 PM) If we want to call it a rebuilding then we are one power hitting OF away from what could be a very good team. 2016 could be a very exciting season. We need that power hitting OF. rebuilding, retooling or whatever someone wants to call it, the sox have done great and i would caveat that by saying, as long as they pick up a of'er that we the fans are thinking about. the 2016 really have no power hitters.... but if the sox did pick up that of'er, they can use 2016 to test the waters so to speak on team unity. here is a question. does anyone really think the sox really need an additional sp???

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Dec 24, 2015 -> 12:13 AM) The Pirates signed John Jaso today which confirms their lack of interest in LaRoche. yeah you most definitely say that. or i could say, that since they, the pirates turn down hahn, they still needed to address their 1b position.

QUOTE (soxfan49 @ Dec 24, 2015 -> 01:16 AM) Spezza is not great. He hasn't had more than 80 points since 2009. If Spezza needs Ales f***ing Hemsky to make him feel better, he's a pu**y. Klingberg is a great offensive defenseman. If he can improve defensively, that's a great move by Nill. Bowman has 3 Cups. While Tallon did a lot of the 2010 work, he also f***ed Bowman over with the Barker and Byfuglien deals. Bowman's signings of Hossa and Campbell those years put them over the top. The Seguin trade was a great one, there is no doubting that. I also wouldn't compare him to Toews. It's not an excuse. It was a bigger game for the Stars. Face it. Do I think Dallas is really good? Yeah obviously, but I'm not going to bet the Stars if they meet in the playoffs. first bold, i really didn't think that tallon went out to screw with stan. if i remember correctly, wasn't he remove and i took it as a surprise on his side. if so, he still thought he was still going to be the gm. the salary cap is a hard cap and no loop holes. i see where teams need to swallow mistakes and have to find a way around them.... just like bickell. second.... as i said last week, playoff time is an all different animal and the hawks have yrs of game experience in the playoff. i too will not bet against them.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 24, 2015 -> 01:07 AM) These type of rumors have been around for a long time and they all are supposedly vetted. Remember when Bill Self was the golden child of Illinois basketball? He takes the Kansas job and suddenly all you read from Illini fans is he was sleeping with cheerleaders, he used to pick up sorority girls all the time, and they all had sources deep in the athletic department who could confirm these things to be true. Funny how all of this was suddenly discovered, even though it had supposedly gone on for years, and he became a very bad guy right after he took another job. The Balckhawks were struggling, suddenly there is trouble in the locker room and Sharp is sleeping with a teammates wife, while sleeping with a weather forecaster, not to mention still coming home to a wife and kids. We love rumors or things like the National Enquirer wouldn't exist. The problem with rumors is the vast majority have zero truth. I am pretty sure if he really was sleeping with Keith's wife, the Blackhawks would have unloaded him immediately. two points.... first point..... wow. that first paragraph is too deep ... i am not smart enuf for that. second, i believe they tried or maybe they wanted to go as is to the playoff.... i really don't know the truth to that one. maybe no one else will.

QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Dec 24, 2015 -> 01:03 AM) This is the entire point of the debate, LDF. You have done this numerous times in the past, where you start a post with something stated as fact as you did above. "Sharp HAD to go because of Keith's marriage. It had nothing to do with his salary." That was your statement. We debate you on that using information provided online that we can show you, then you post "Yeah, I guess I'm just wondering if there is some element of truth." Don't you see how big of a contradiction that is? THAT is what we are debating. Stop trying to turn this into a mod debate, it has zero to do with that. ok, all that was a statement that i did provided and yes is it concrete evidence that it was the case, beyond a shadow of a doubt.... no, and so any other posters is correct on that scope. no one knows, only the powers to be will know the truth. i heard of the trade or rumor attempt for a possible trade at the trade deadline. yes i read the sports link, did i totally believe in it, no, but it can not be denied that there may.... may be an element of truth. unless you, i or anyone else were there to see it. now, everyone will need to acknowledge that spin doctoring does happen, and that if for pr reasons if anything else. all i am saying and have said, there was or capable of being other reasons..... again this goes back to feb and a sports link, i do not know it that, that was being reported was true. if it wasn't true, then why no retractions????? your statement was at first the trade was b/c of salary cap reasons and no other reasons.... and you wanted to prove that point. after a while you wanted the proof of what i saying or links.... i did, now you were questioning the integrity of it. how am i or anyone prove the integrity of any story..... but there was and have never been any lawsuite or retractions. you and other admins and mods needs to be proven that you were right, then have some really classy other response... from adults to act like that. if the fact of a statement is in question, people has to understand, there might be 2 pov and one may never prove or convince the other to chg, but it is their right to have that pov.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 24, 2015 -> 12:46 AM) For what the White Sox would have to pay for someone to take LaRoche, it makes no sense to unload him. The savings would be minimal. If he shows he is still the same as last season in spring training or April or May, release him then. until that time, they might as well see where he is at. i don't know what is a savings would be with these org when they are talking about millions of dollars being saved. yeah, i was talking about laroche to the pirates along with 3-5 mil and a prospect pitcher to sweeten the pot. no matter what, laroche can play good defense at 1b and it will save the pirates from rushing their 1b prospects.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Dec 23, 2015 -> 11:35 PM) Sands was not claimed to replace Avi Garcia. Sands may have some upside to him, but failed to hang on with the Dodgers or the Tribe. More a sub OF'er or minor league in the waiting. There is a lot of speculation on this board every time some player gets DFA or waived that we need to pick them up and insert them on our 25 man roster. Sands may not even be better than Shuck if you look at his record. Certainly Sands is not an upgrade with who we already have. i hate to admit this, but i am one of those you mention. but for my defense, i see all these different org pickup many of these dfa players and i just wonder, at the state of the org, can this player help in the minors or if they are young, can they still have some development that can happen. just my thoughts on why i was thinking this way.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Dec 24, 2015 -> 12:49 AM) Sands is a guy that has some value to take a free look at. Nothing more. He could make the team as a bench player and spell LaRoche vs LHP. It is not a precursor to another move nor does it mean anything about Garcia or another big name OF signing. It's a waiver claim. could he be a minor guy to help in the minors???

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 23, 2015 -> 11:40 PM) So apparently you don't have this, which is why you keep arguing and calling out people. Glad you don't feel the need to be right all of the time, otherwise this thread would be degrading into name calling and hurt feelings over something stupid. again cherry picking little excerpts of a conversation to prove a point. i love when some one can come in an prove a point without getting personal stick to the facts and be reasonable open for a different point of view that may be going against their opinions.... and most of all not being subjective against it.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 23, 2015 -> 11:41 PM) If Dan Bernstein is the source, there is a great chance the rumor is to just get attention and to get people tuning into his dying show, Cheryl Scott is a hot, Brown educated, weather forecaster formerly of channel 5, now of channel 7. I think you can figure out the truth when a guy gets suspended, and never mentions something again after a call from an attorney, if it really was true, Bernstein would have been ripping the attorney for trying to intimidate him. If he had the truth on his side, he wouldn't have shut up. you may have a point ..... but did he bernstien come back to retract what he said, or was this the radio station protecting itself. again i do not live in chi, i do not know anything about this reporter. i live where i have to question info. i do not believe in it by it self, but wondering if there is some element of truth.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 23, 2015 -> 11:38 PM) You are the one who is taking it extremely personally that people aren't agreeing with you. Anytime someone disagrees with you, you go on this long winded rant and even take it more personally if it is an admin or mod. Can you not handle it when people ask you to support an opinion? This isn't some crappy assed-facebook page. This is a page with extremely intelligent posters who want a little bit more than rumors and innuendo. Being able to share different opinions doesn't mean you get to say whatever you want, and everyone else has to bow down, agree, and accept it as the gospel truth. God forbid someone have higher standards than I read it on the internet, or heard it on talk radio. Being able to share different opinions means that people will probably disagree with you, and many will have their own facts to support it. If that bothers you this much, you have come to the wrong place. they i will address you to the beginning of this discussion. #2661 post and where i stated of what my belief of the reason for sharp being traded. can of corn came in on #2666 and etc..... so in ref to rumors and innuendo i too but if i am wrong, i will come back and say i was wrong, not once as any mods and admin have done that, and if i or anyone defends themselves, that is when the .... so called ranting starts, and you are just as guilty. every one is. but you won't admit it.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 23, 2015 -> 10:41 PM) They are usually in a position where they hav 4 or 5 DHs playing in the field and you got a point, yrs from now, as the players get older, who know how they will preformed. but for me, before the sox get to that point, they really need to get thru this rebuilding of sorts.

QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 23, 2015 -> 10:59 PM) John Jaso signs with Pirates....unless Baltimore/Milwaukee gets desperate, it looks like LaRoche is staying here i have been wondering of Balt.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Dec 23, 2015 -> 11:25 PM) If you honestly believe tony, or any other mods or admins for that matter, govern this board and force our opinions as facts because we wield some sort of power then there is no point in arguing or discussing things with you. That is ridiculously absurd and you know it is b/c you are looking it thru your eyes and being influence ....

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 23, 2015 -> 11:24 PM) Don't ever believe Bernstein. He kept it up after it was denied by Cheryl Scott that she ever had an affair with Sharp. Her lawyer called the Score, got Bernstein suspended and he never mentioned it again. http://www.robertfeder.com/2015/06/17/grea...-another-tweet/ again, i do not live in chi, i do not know anything of this stuff, i had to look up who is scott. and my point will be, does anyone really think that truth will be coming out. where is the .... i don't know... seriously. when they make a article or something that mentions that it was fabricated.. i am seriously at a lost of words here.

QUOTE (shipps @ Dec 23, 2015 -> 11:21 PM) OMG LDF you still dont see the point that is being made here? Really? Like seriously? no, b/c i believe that in life, there is always going to be many different opinions. it is just that you and the admin and mods needs to be 100 % right allllll the time. god forbid is someone has a different opinion. then every one needs to jump in.... i was asked to prove my point, i did, i got the link. now everyone wants to prove the link as being right or wrong, i just read the links and take that with a grain of salt and uses it for dicussions. oh pls, no one should disagree with the mods / admin b/c there are right ....

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Dec 23, 2015 -> 11:20 PM) There is so much wrong with this I don't even know where to begin oh yeah, you are always right.

QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Dec 23, 2015 -> 11:20 PM) Facts. You meant "Facts" i thought you were not going to respond..... so again it is facts that you want to believes.