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QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 21, 2015 -> 05:41 AM) I'm not sure that we "flipped" cores. We were able to add Abreu, Eaton, Robertson and Rodon on top of Sale and Quintana. Now you have Frazier and possibly Lawrie, although it's hard to say "core" when you only have control of a player for 2 years. One of the expected or forecasted core members, Avisail, is unlikely to make it. Conor, Alexei and Flowers were cast away, along with DeAza, Viciedo and Beckham prior to that. (The main positive this off-season is the F.O. essentially admitting the lack of quality and at least attempting to not go with the same approach year after year after year, whether in terms of coaching staff/s or personnel changes.) I guess if you look at it from a three year perspective (the 2012 team in September as the starting point), you can make that argument, and add Tim Anderson, Fulmer and perhaps Adams to the list as well. But it's still one impact player short, in all likelihood. In the end, it just depends on your perspective as a fan. If the changes stopped right here, then some fans (such as yourself) will be more or less content and argue they did the best they could under the circumstances. Not unlike the arguments we were given for standing pat at the deadline last year and not making any moves to add, either. Those seem rather hollow in hindsight. Others are going to expect more. Neither side is inherently right or wrong. i will totally disagree with you. from my pov, if they stop, it is b/c the owners are really more interested in their money, coming in. that they will not go into their profit area, which i believe is a lot more than most people think of. they the sox org, really need to get that bat and then maybe a lower tier sp. then see how the team plays. everyone knows 28 mil comes off the books next yr, and the yr after, melky 15 mil plus some of the other players will leave b/c of fa's. the money, the profits will right itself, i really hoping that the owners can see this. i am sure they can, i just hope they understand the fans frustration.

QUOTE (buhbuhburrrrlz @ Dec 21, 2015 -> 06:46 AM) I thought Tom Hardy killed it. Though, it ran way too long for me. yeah it was way too long. the dialect oops my bad, the dialogue or the not talking was kinda of, well it was that made it a slow movie.

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Dec 21, 2015 -> 08:59 AM) The movie essentially was just a New Hope remake, but I think that's just to reset the viewers to the original trilogy and get them to forget the new 3 existed. Now I'm not one of those who denounces Episodes 1-3, I found entertainment value in them all, but I understand the idea of making a movie that was so much like the original 3 that people will assume it will be that way going forward. That being said, I don't think episode 8 will remake Empire, I think they will now branch off and make their own adventures and storylines now that they brought everyone back on track. i sure hope so.

if he plays full time, avg - 220 hrs - 8

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 21, 2015 -> 12:31 AM) And the good will created by Jordan and Pippen almost twenty years ago now is helping to sell how many White Sox 2016 Holiday Season Ticket packs? good point.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Dec 20, 2015 -> 09:17 PM) And you're assuming that you know which is also disingenuous isn't it? LOL. Again NO ONE knows with 100% clarity which is why you have so many Sox fans, a ton of them wondering who exactly is pulling the trigger on things. And despite what you think the media isn't totally stupid, there are a lot of sharp people in that profession. That fact that they are wondering as well speaks volumes. Based on the track record of both of JR's franchises, it's clear historically and statistically his method of front office alignments isn't working. I hope I'm still around when the Sox and Bulls are under new ownership just to see if a different organizational philosophy breeds more success. Mark to a certain degree, i agree. we all know who runs, or owns the team / org, but he does let his right hand do so much and have a lot of freedom to make changes, as he should. but i think at a certain level of approval that is needed, then that will have to come from the owners. pretty much as the story of how the sox signed Jose Abreu ..... that final numbers in the contract was settle by the owners. now with all this talk about who makes the decision, esp in fa's, unless it is a earth shattering kind of number, i believe that he may come down to kw, with rh doing all the leg work. decision making of any kind, comes from the owners. i wonder, does all org run like this??? how much are the owners are involve??

i just saw The Revenant with Leonardo DiCaprio, well the movie was kinda of base on a true character of the early mountain men, and the story of him and the bear is true. well, the acting was really good, hardly any dialect to the movie. i think a movie was made in the 60's like this. but well, if you can sit thru 2 1/2 hrs of acting with little dialect. it will be a good movie for you.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Dec 20, 2015 -> 12:46 PM) He is talking about signing free agents i know, signing fa's, i am in agreement that says they will not invest in that dept. but they will still make the moves in maybe trading their prospects to continue fixing that team. edit.... i think i was answering and providing a reason to my thought process.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 20, 2015 -> 06:30 AM) All we really know is that they gained 1,500 per game coming into this season but were likely to be down something like 3000 from that point just based on how disappointing the season was...especially for the fans who optimistically jumped back on board after 2013 and 2014 or who left after Dunn in 2011. It's going to take one last big name to be close to a wash. I guess if we see articles in the next week or so reporting renewed optimism due to Frazier...that will be a clue. Whether it's true or not, who knows. i am soo conflicted on this. would the fans come out, if the sox does nothing else to fix the pieces of the team???? i wish i can really come up with a answer, but my gut tell me maybe. i think that the sox will make a serious run in the al central, but would the fans pay for that and that alone?? i really think the fans are smart enuf to know, the team needs a game breaking of'er.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 20, 2015 -> 05:43 AM) The Cubs have the largest debt load in baseball and are owned by a group of trust fund babies. While they'll very likely have a larger payroll, they have much less flexibility than us. When they reach their budget, they pretty much have to stop. On the other hand, Reinsdorf's group is able to expand payroll if needed as they can go into the red if they like. Obviously none of us know either team's budget for 2016, but everything in the media (including Theo's interview today) suggests the Cubs are done with big ticket items. but they have many assets they can use in trades to get players of similar talent, but younger, and if needed, to overspend to get it done.

QUOTE (Jake @ Dec 20, 2015 -> 06:35 AM) Yeah, I gave little thought to that comment. KW has always been saying these things since forever. The only time he says anything more decisive is when he says we have nothing planned or no money available, which inevitably means we're about to make a trade or signing. better yet, why even bother to come out and hold a press conference?????

QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Dec 20, 2015 -> 06:06 AM) Unfortunately this is reality. But I agree with the post previously stating that this year is the year to spend the money on an impact FA. Next years FA market is horrible. So I think the Sox should look at it as a two year impact move. It may hurt this year but with the $ coming off the books next year with Danks and Laroche it softens the blow. IMO the impact move needs to be this year when the talent is available. There is no doubt any of the three of Upton, Cespedes, or Gordon makes us a better team for atleast the next two seasons. More so than any of the other potential FA in 2017. that is exactly my point, build, get all the main pieces, use next yr to gell, fix and get used to each other, danks and laroche comes off the books, the is 28 mil coming off the books and another yr of development time for the prospects. also shows the fans that the sox are not rolling over and dying, but they will fight. so 2017 the sox will come out smoking.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Dec 20, 2015 -> 05:52 AM) It was never going to be a Sox town. and in your logic i will agree and it is obvious that has been the case for what seem as forever. buy in my perspective, if the sox had continue to to win, build a solid minor league system, and getting the right fa's, this city like any town likes a winner.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 19, 2015 -> 11:56 PM) He was referring to who gets the blame or the credit when things go poorly, the scapegoat tendency of the media to assess or apportion blame when things go sour and fans are rightfully frustrated. Obviously, with the Cubs, they told everyone they weren't competing and the expectation was playoffs in 2016 at the earliest. With the White Sox, you've had two high profile complete bust seasons (2011 and 2014) when big things were predicted by everyone. KW would still be the GM and/or nobody would care about the Hahn/KW dynamic had they made it to the playoffs both those years...or maybe even just once, as that's more the average for JR-owned teams. but that is the main point, the sox had that chance and blew it, to take over the chi media, if they would have continue to have won. there is no way chi becomes a sox town other than more WS winning. but for now, every move, every win, every success will be looked at thru those sCrubbie blue glasses.

QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Dec 20, 2015 -> 03:11 AM) Amen brother. I think any of the opinions that the Sox are "stuck in the middle" or "won't contend for a few years" or "need to suck it up and do a full rebuild" are beyond stupid. Way beyond. Like here's stupid, now drive 100 miles farther down stupidville road, go past Sale's mansion & Abreu's complex, take a right on Eaton road and past the better than average catcher's quarters, beyond the nice bullpens on the hill, stop and take in the sights at the stables full of young thoroughbreds and go jump in a hole. We don't need you. ? i like this, this is really creative. way to go

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 19, 2015 -> 05:11 PM) He seems pretty certain the White Sox can just so easily bump payroll up to the $140-145 million mark because that's what it will require for the Big Three. The problem for Hahn at this point is a quieter move like Parra, Austin Jackson, Fowler, Denorfia, Snider, etc., isn't going to move the meter enough...especially with Saladino at SS and EJ and Danks at the back end. Minus a huge resurgence from LaRoche, Avi and Cabrera, the offense is still one player short. Optimistically, let's say they put up a surprise contending season...like 2012...but most fans aren't going to buy in until they're 100% convinced at midseason the White Sox are really going for it. If we don't sign one of those three, it's going to be sort of a half measure. Especially if some of those big names end up on divisional rivals' rosters instead. And the only real pieces they have to move of value in Robertson, Anderson and Fulmer can't be moved for the likes of an Ozuna, CarGo or Puig...or can they? Right now, if there's a hard limit at $119-122 million, he's stuck between a rock and a hard place. excellent point on the bold, i was going to write something about that tomorrow. but hey, as it stand will the fans spend money to buy season tickets or weekend ticket pkg or what??? b/c you know, the highers ups in the sox org will think that they did enuf for fans to come out and buy tickets.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Dec 19, 2015 -> 05:06 PM) That would be a fireable offense if Columbus made that trade. i can see what you are saying, columbus does not want to loose at this point, in any trade and they too are at the cap limits. however they are getting something plus for Johansen. a player they been trying to move since summer... as of right now, some are offering just 2 players. and some of those aren't elite. here they are getting back a player they know when he was the team, dano, who scores, young and controlable, plus a 1 rnd and more. but i cam see where is the rtn for them expecting to be a huge haul. with bickel they could and should have qualms in bury his contract ,and the pkg to help ease the pain.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 19, 2015 -> 05:24 PM) Another thing I liked was that even though some of the characters were recycled, they were allowed to age (badly in most cases) and put on weight. That never happens in movies, but always in real life. excellent point.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 19, 2015 -> 05:12 PM) Just ask for Saad back lol no, 4.5 mil for bickell, 4.0 mil for Johansen, send back Dano plus and the hawks will get a player who is an elite player.... certitude with several yrs under his belt, not a player who needs to get motivated to play his game.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Dec 19, 2015 -> 04:00 PM) He is talking about KW talking to the press and making dumb statements many thanks for clarifying that. edit.... after rereading it, i still don't get that .... i know he said about a parent wondering about the A and A+ blah. this is on me, i am really out of it. but again, my gratitude for explaining it to me. peace

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 19, 2015 -> 04:01 PM) He also staked his reputation on the White Sox signing Omar Vizquel around 2008 or so. He signed with SF. a great point, but either way, it is a nice topic for conversation.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 19, 2015 -> 03:58 PM) Nightingale says Upton. I am sure they have checked in on both. I would prefer Upton, but wouldn't be sad if Cespedes is in the line up. KW went after Upton many moons ago, so I would imagine the White Sox still feel fondly about him. I also think RH and KW pretty much view most players the similarly, so if they wanted him then, Hahn probably would like to have him now. Hahn was trained by KW, you don't work together as long as they have with polar opposite philosophies. There will be differences, but not like it seems many assume. Hahn took his name out of consideration for the St. Louis job when he found out the farm director had the owner's direct ear, and could undermine the GM. That doesn't sound like a guy who would assume the Sox GM job to be a puppet. I think the White Sox preference is Upton. But the contract plays a huge roll. chain of command. that is the difference. kw only superior he answers to, or is directly above him is the owners. while hahn boss and who he answers to is kw then the owners. the farm directly has people who is or should be above him in the chain of command.

QUOTE (Dam8610 @ Dec 19, 2015 -> 03:52 PM) Damn, I was really hoping that would happen. i would really be surprise if this or any big name players are sign.

with the continuing saga of columbus, i would ask if they would be willing to Ryan Johansen to chi plus a nice pkg of players and the hawks first rounder.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Dec 19, 2015 -> 03:00 PM) Baffoe: Rick Hahn’s Moves Show Control, Direction Of White Sox: http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2015/12/18/baf...n-of-white-sox/ This is great stuff from Tim. It highlights that fact rebuilding is a dumb idea with the youngish core that the Sox already have. The AL is also wide open. It also tells KW to stop undermining his GM. Good stuff. my dislike for kw is well known. but for this statement, ref the bold, how does he know if kw is undermining hahn or not, is it an assumption or has he heard something. ... just wondering.