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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 08:39 PM) Another OF idea: Nick Markakis? Braves clearly willing to move players, name we've been rumored with in the past. the braves FO does not negotiate well, they are pretty firm in what they want as a rtn.

QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 08:38 PM) Would it make sense to package LaRoche with expendable young guys like Avi, Beck, Webb/Putnam? I know those guys don't have a ton of value or anything, but taking on 1 year of LaRoche would be a lot more palatable if you're getting a cheap bullpen arm for 6 years or if a team wants to gamble on Avi's potential. Make sense to anyone else? I can see the Brewers being 1 team that would be interested. most definitely and i would go to the pirates with hat in hand to see what else would they need to make this work. why the pirates, for all in looks like, they need a 1b, and no matter what, he can play defense. they was to make a run to the playoff and add a prospect pitcher and / or prospect reliever to sweeten the pie.... i thought it could get done.

i just thought of this, how bout the ram???

the education of the children is next to being the mostly important item on every parents mind. i will always give many plaudits to every parent who does their best working for that goal.

this is my only response on this thread .... frazier on the south side has many pluses ...... but don't be fooled with all the other fluff surrounding the actual trade. end of story frazier at 3b will help the sox immensely

well, i have been reading and waiting for the smoke to clear. the sox finally got their man. the cost i can live with, but really do i have any say on that???\ it is a confusing trade, not the cincy part but the sox and dodgers part. the sox gave up mj, tt a montas. mj will replace dodger 2b, tt will replace their 4th of and well montas will replace a nice 3b prospect. so why involve cincy??? i like 2 or the 3 players are sending to cincy, my neg of the dodger side is scott. i would love their 2b and 3b prospects and have written mock trades with those 2 names involve. what i see, the sox wanted and needed a 3b who is also establish in the majors. so the trade was for the now and not for the future. the could have gotten their 2b and 3b prospects and really address the future of the infield but they want to now win . dodger got a really cost effective rp to be brought in, i bet mid season and ready for the playoff. also it reaffirms my idea of that they, the dodgers want to be more cost conscience. at the end, cincy got their promising 2b and 3b prospects. that in itself should prove the win now cost at this time of the sox.

i vote for Cespedes

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 05:35 PM) Doubtful AZ would want Robertson and his contract. Ziegler was lights out as a closer for them last season. I don't doubt they are looking for bullpen help, just not Robertson. you are right, but it seems as some of the major team that are players or thinking they will be in the running of a playoff spot been getting 2 closer .

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 05:35 PM) Caulfield, I'm calling Sox fans fickle because they are. The excuses are endless and I'd rather not get into it. I know because I live here and hear the s*** every day. The team is bad. It's cold. It's hard to get to the stadium. There's nothing to do after. It's dangerous. Reinsdorf is cheap. It's too expensive. I'll wait until July to see where they are in the standings. The atmosphere isn't great. Those are just some reasons and they are nonsense. This team doesn't draw when they are good either. It's just the way it is. I'm out there 10-15 times a year and I enjoy my Tuesday nights when the beer and brat lines are short. I'm not complaining that they don't act like a big market team though and making up excuses to not go to the ballpark. ahhh then you are a rarity, a true sox fan. i do love my beer and brat. but i hear there is no more old style. agh. but you do make a point. i wonder if they are true sox fans. those true sox fans goes there on the day when its soo cold, they are there to watch a game even some fans who are crazy one like my cuz who takes his shirt off to show a design painted sox emblem. people will complain no matter what.

QUOTE (Jose Paniagua @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 05:26 PM) http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=14379854 Olney podcast discusses Puig to W.Sox and suggests any Puig deals are more likely to be around ST if they happen at all There's a little Frazier/W.Sox mention too any discussion on any other sox players movement

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 05:25 PM) AZ's package for Miller is one of the most absurd packages ever. They overpaid by a lot. Swanson + a B prospect would have worked. this is my opinion on what i am guessing. but i do agree with you. i just think at what the dbacks gave up, there had to be a better option than miller.

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 05:13 PM) http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/i...ed?sf17081510=1 Some stuff on Frazier nice find, i think they are missing some players there.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 05:14 PM) Keep in mind to "pay" for a $10 million a year player with new ticket sales, the White Sox would have to sell about 2500 top of the line full season tickets. There aren't 2500 top of the line seats that aren't accounted for. now we are going to deal with the financial part of this..... that subject has been been to death, esp from me. but that has nothing to do with this conversation. btw, on a side note, i always like to debate the finance of this org, i am not taking a cheap way out of this topic.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 05:07 PM) Nobody has ever blamed the fans at all. Sure. All we hear about is 2012. Once again, what franchises that haven't made the playoffs for seven years running have perfectly contented fanbases? I banned myself from WSI because those mods there are condescending ---holes. They banned my best friend for criticizing their abhorrent taste in music, of all things. it is the mods the can ruin a sport forum site..... cough cough

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 05:05 PM) No he said he didn't blame the fans for not coming. That they had to provide a product worth watching. really, i tried to look it up on google and can't find anything. again, i question this, does anyone have a old link.... if this was indeed what he said, last season on this site, this has been mention several times and no correction.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 05:05 PM) No he said he didn't blame the fans for not coming. That they had to provide a product worth watching. really??? i thought it was something else he said. oh well.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 04:58 PM) That is what you want. Bad baseball and high draft picks. You get that, and you still aren't happy because that isn't what they were going for but what they did achieve. They do have more talent on the team now than they had 3 years ago, and it will continue to trend upward. I do agree they either have to spend money or trade for prospects, but all of your other complaints are just made up. The fan shaming doesn't happen. Hasn't for years. It isn't getting old. What is getting old is you using every complaint you can think of not caring about accuracy to appeal to the doom and gloomers. You really should post at WSI. Your moaning would make you a hero. They whine about everything there, from the stripes on the pants being changed, to patches on sleeves, to parking lot attendants not smiling at them, to ushers hitting on other ushers. didn't JR in an interview last yr said that the club couldn't spend anymore, b/c the fans attending the game has improve??? that they couldn't do anymore until more fans comes out??

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 04:48 PM) Yeah, sure Rich Hahn's plan after all the offseason additions was to have another protected draft pick...brilliant!!! They need to figure out a way to win, somehow....spend or develop, spend or develop...just come up with something that actually appears to be a logical plan instead of this half assed approach. ok i need to step in, you were right until the protected draft .... i am for protecting this yr draft and i would love the sox to get more comp picks, the minor league system and its ratings, to me is over estimated or really wishful dreaming. they need to go out there and make the right smart pickup and that may not always be to sign fa's.

i just don't see az moving either of those players. they have a nice, good hitting group to challenge for a playoff spot in the west. i don't see them moving any key players, maybe some key prospect for the right missing piece

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 02:43 PM) The word "rebuild" has always been a touchy one on the South Side for leadership and fans alike. Not only does Jerry Reinsdorf whole-heartedly believe in building a winner annually, the front office is also subject to the fickle nature of the White Sox fan base. While executives Jeff Luhnow and Theo Epstein have popularized an embrace of being utterly terrible to build a winner through draft pool allotments, the White Sox lack the fan base that would wait around for such a grueling process that results in a non-guaranteed chance at winning. First, this whole fan shaming thing is getting old. Houston had lower tv ratings than the White Sox, a zero share in some games, but they stuck to their plan and saw it through and even succeeded despite seeming mistakes like Mark Appel instead of Kris Bryant and the whole Brady Aiken fiasco, which might have ended up working out in their favor. Second, comparing David Robertson to Kimbrel or Chapman is a bit of a stretch...just like Quintana is overshadowed on the national level because he's not a radar gun destroying flamethrower, Robertson similarly relies on a pitch that is deadly effective when it's on but one that also tends to degrade his other pitches and the overall effectivenesss of his repertoire over the course of a season. Assuming a Miller or Kimbrel return of prospects is a fantasy and more importantly a concrete admission of failure by Hahn. Third, pretty much any plan is still mitigated by the fact that Ventura remains huge question mark in terms of his overall effectiveness as a manager and motivator. At best, the jury's still out. Meanwhile, Maddon and the young Cubs can seemingly recruit anyone they want to the other side of town. Not a pretty comp right now. Fourth, almost every value priced free agent in the last two to three years has led to no payoffs like we always try to sell ourselves on in the offseason as the backup or fallback plan. Zach Putnam or Soto weren't even cashed in on...Petricka, etc. Hahn has signed maybe 12-13 guys and none of them have been effectively leveraged. One of his most controversial moves remains the decision to hold onto Shark last July. Finally, JR is JR. Until they prove they're willing to take advantage of the fact 45% of MLB teams are limited this international cycle in spending and "go for it," they will always be playing catch-up with the more risk taking, bigger budget teams. The only real evidence is going over for Rodon and Micker Adolfo, so it's hard to see much substantive progress at the moment or on the horizon and we're seemingly stuck in the middle...outside a Top Ten protected draft pick and still closer to the basement of the AL Central than competing for a wild card spot. for me, this is well written and it spelled out a lot, in many ways i agree. i will not go any further into what you wrote, my feelings and expressions have been made known already, many times.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 03:36 PM) The Dodgers still have money to spend. They already have an elite closer and they are the favorites to sign Kenta Maeda. Their other starting pitchers are (Kershaw, Anderson, Iwakuma, McCarthy, Ryu, and Wood). They have 4 of the top 25 prospects in baseball (Seager, Urias, De Leon, and Peraza). They have an OF logjam with Puig, Crawford, Ethier, Pederson, and Van Slyke). I think the Dodgers are the team that should trade for Todd Frazier if Seager can stay at SS. The Dodgers aren't done yet and I wouldn't exactly count them out of this thing. i wouldn't count then out either, but i can see how, maybe they can get a little nervous and make a trade. a trade for a key sp. thing is, they will need to decide on those key prospects you mention, if they would be willing to trade them. btw, with the key closer they have, then why were they looking at chapman???

QUOTE (shakes @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 03:35 PM) Heyward got a $20 mil signing bonus and will make $78 mil in the first three years with a full no trade clause and an opt out. That was the best deal out there for him. From the sound of it, nobody else was offering those things. This is maybe the most player friendly deal ever given out. so add that 20 mil to 78 mil and at the opt yr, which is 3 yrs. so it is not a bad contract 98 mil divided by 3 yr.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 03:24 PM) Interesting 3B candidate who should be relatively cheap. Lawrie could slide to 2B. A back-up plan if we don't land Frazier, perhaps? and that is a great reason why the FO needs a game plan..... to deal with the unexpected "what if" situation that will pop up.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 03:23 PM) Exactly, he took less guaranteed money, but took the deal that allows him to maximize his earning potential. true and very spelled out ..... but didn't he also take a bonus that may pay him either now or in the future. all this language of this contract is, to me, being worked in where they, the org, will have the contract end in the first optout, when they will be getting their own tv deal.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 03:19 PM) They have better top end prospects than those teams though. Just because they have money doesn't mean they should spend it poorly. and again you are right, but those key prospects are not ready now..... they are looking at now as oppose to 2 yrs when those prospect can help.