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QUOTE(Jordan4life_2006 @ Jun 11, 2006 -> 11:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Alright. I'll admit, I didn't realize it was only Cleveland and Toronto that he's really struggled with. So what's the conclusion then? That he can dominate weak hitting teams like the Cubs and Angels? While getting lit up by the good hitting teams? I mean, he's probably gonna face the Indians 2-3 more times this year. Is it gonna be ok if he continues to get killed as long as he does the job against the crap teams? Perhaps the Indians are seeing Freddy tip his pitches? Maybe Freddy was still hungover from his birthday (June 10th 1976.) According to the stats, both his two outings against the blue jays were terrible. In one of the game he was rushing through the 6th inning to get the game in and plays that are made during normal conditions were not being made due to 8 inches of rain being on the ground.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jun 11, 2006 -> 11:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> So now we have to hand pick his starts like the Cubs do for Wood so he doesn't face any good offenses? He asks for the stats didn't he? Isn't Detroit a good offensive team? Buehrle sucks against the Indians, as does Contreras this year. I really don't understand what is so fasicnating about pitchers struggling against team that have a good/great offense. ...and as for facing the "weak" offense teams, what do you want Freddy to do? Lose? He's shutting them down.

QUOTE(Jordan4life_2006 @ Jun 11, 2006 -> 10:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> OK, let's play it your way. What are Freddy's overall numbers if you take away his starts against the Indians and Bluejays? 54.1 IP, 49 H, 10 BB, 31 K's, 2.98 ERA, 1.09 WHIP Is it too late to get him out from under the bus?

QUOTE(shoota @ Jun 11, 2006 -> 10:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I see your point, but Buehrle, Contreras and Vazquez have been good overall (ERAs of 3.21; 2.54; and 4.19), while Garcia has lost speed on his fastball, isn't efficient with his pitch count, and has an ERA of 5.13, with Garland looking like 2005 was a fluke and is pitching like the career .500 pitcher he once was (ERA 6.19) and has given up the most home runs in the AL. Garcia was hitting 94 MPH on the gun today. What's the difference if the Sox lose because Buehrle gives up 5 ER in 6.2 IP against CC Sabathia and the Sox lose 10-8 after Garcia gives up 8 ER in 5.2 IP? Garcia's overall ERA takes a hit, but regardless they both pitched like s*** against the same team and were a direct result of the Sox losing.

QUOTE(Jordan4life_2006 @ Jun 11, 2006 -> 10:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> In other words...He sucks against good offensive teams. That makes me feel a lot better I don't know what it's gonna take before people realize that the Tigers are a good team. Will they win the division? I don't know. But I think we're at a point now that we can stop waiting for the Tigers to all of a sudden fall apart. They've got a good staff. Period. Detroit isn't good offensively? Buehrle has been horses*** against the Indians and Rangers. Should we throw him under the bus for not pitching well against good hitting teams? Contreras has a 4.91 ERA against the weak hitting Cubs. He also has an ERA over 6.00 against the Indians. Under the bus? Vazquez pitched great against the Indians, sucked against the great hitting Rangers and Blue Jays, and even sucked against the crappy hitting Twins. Boy, I bet some of you just don;t how to feel with all of our starters not pitching well against great hitting teams. :rolly :rolly :rolly :banghead

QUOTE(Jordan4life_2006 @ Jun 11, 2006 -> 10:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Well, Detroit is getting good performances from all their starters every night. We're not gonna have a 15-game lead to play with this time around. If we're gonna get back to the playoffs, we need Garland and Garcia to wake-up. AS I have already pointed out, Garcia's struggles have only come against the Indians and the Blue Jays (one game was were he was rushed through the rain delay.) We've seen our current starters prove themselves over a long season and October. Detroit certainly hasn't with Verlander, Robertson, Maroth, Bonderman and "Mr. First Half" Kenny Rogers.

At least we outhit them!!!!

SHould've given him the HBP STUPID TRACEY!!!!!!! J/K

:rolly QUOTE(Jordan4life_2006 @ Jun 11, 2006 -> 10:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Man, 7 runs was just about a guaranteed win last year. Freddy If Freddy gives up only 3 or 4 runs, Jason Davis is not in the 9th, Westbrook is.

QUOTE(chimpy2121 @ Jun 11, 2006 -> 10:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I was thinking the same thing. Maybe he just got back from Iraq

Gload the Veteran?

f*** I thought he had it

Come on big Jim.

QUOTE(SoxFanForever @ Jun 11, 2006 -> 09:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Same here. It's creepy. It's art! Understanding Joshua

QUOTE(Jordan4life_2006 @ Jun 11, 2006 -> 09:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Too bad Tracey couldn't hold 'em down. We'd still have a shot down 3 runs right now. Please stop it. We haven't lost by 2 yet.

Please be a signs for good things to come.

QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Jun 11, 2006 -> 08:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Freddy has an ERA over 5, and Jon over 6 now. I think our other 3 guys have obviously done a nice job, but are we going to have to give B-Mac a shot and/or make a trade? I mean it's Mid-June, these are no longer small sample sizes. Freddy has been very good this year against teams not from Cleveland or Toronto. Let's not throw the World series clinching pitcher who gave up 3 hits in 7 IP under the bus just yet. Link Garland is a different story. Link2

LOL

I love this car commercial. "Because I make more money than you."

QUOTE(fathom @ Jun 11, 2006 -> 08:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> So he got his ERA over 5? Crap...that happened quicker than I thought it would. Why? As it was mentioned by someone before, Guillen's leash on Garcia "is as big as the one on 'Clifford the big red dog."

QUOTE(Ndgt10 @ Jun 11, 2006 -> 08:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I hate Tigerfan so much. Why can't he just go away? I know he hasn't posted, but just the thought of him lurking here pisses me off. This thread has gone from bad to obnoxious and rotten. Garcia's (expected by me at least) s***ty's outing is certianly not helping the cause.

QUOTE(shoota @ Jun 11, 2006 -> 08:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I don't know; it's not my job. :rolly So why come to a message board to discuss ideas, whine about things, and refuse to offer any suggestions? You don't have to answer this. It's not your job.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jun 11, 2006 -> 08:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> How can ANYONE defend Garcia? Well we are all aware of how he pitches at home and at night, but the Indians have just crushed him this year. (10.45 ERA against them coming into tonight.) Yes the walks have been costly tonight, but it's not like he's all over the place giving them up to guys with sub-.300 OBPs. How soon we forget that Garcia had something like a streak of going 35 IP without issuing a walk.

Is anyone really surprised that Garcia isn't pitching well at home, at night, after we've already won the series. What the hell is so surprising about Broussard (against RHP) and Hafner drawing walks? I am really sick of seeing Belliard play against us. How long until Cleveland starts throwing in the towel and trades their free agents to be?

Martinez is certainly playing with a chip on his shoulder. Why the hell did he swing at that?