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QUOTE(kyyle23 @ Feb 1, 2006 -> 03:12 PM) I think that religion was given a chance to police themselves and failed miserably. This nonsense has to stop sometime, because it isnt going away. They're not interested in stopping molestation. They're interested in covering their own ass. Its sick and disgusting how people we're supposed to be able to trust are doing such things and then they have the balls to wonder aloud why nobody goes to church anymore. It aint because people dont love God anymore, its because the sick, twisted individuals on the pulpit cant be trusted around their kids anymore.

QUOTE(Soxy @ Feb 1, 2006 -> 02:57 PM) Had an interesting conversation about this today--so I wonder what you guys think? Should this stuff be handled internally by the church or outsourced to secular authorities? Are you kidding?! Priests or any other clergy who engage in such behaivior should be clapped in irons and sent to pound-me-in-the-ass prison for a good dose of their own medicine.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Feb 1, 2006 -> 12:09 PM) Nice start. I find it sad to step past poor old people in Mexico who do not have money for retirement, but I'm certain we can get use to that in the US. If you let people keep their SS money and they invest it wisely then youd be stepping past them as they get in their caddy and drive off. We've been over this around here before.

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Feb 1, 2006 -> 09:25 AM) I sort of figured. Google is a bellweather, but it's earnings report alone wasn't going to cause a market panic. More would be needed (and that may be coming). Its all about Boeing today. They had a boffo earnings report out this morning.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Feb 1, 2006 -> 09:22 AM) Nuke, the government (local, state, and national) did a terrible job in responding. To suggest that the only way to improve was to stop the hurricane in the first place, is comical. The government should have done a better job, and Presidents are always there to take the credit, they should have to shoulder the blame. Compare 9/11 to the hurricane. Bush wrapped himself in the response to 9/11 for his re-election. How can he duck New Orleans with a straight face? I thought Bush was absolutely at his best during 9/11 and at ground zero, while some of it was, of course, scripted, I believe it was sincere and fully captured the man. I thought New Orleans would be another shining moment for him and would have carried him through this term. Sadly, he was waaaaay off his game and everything fell behind him. I agree with you on all points there. The cartoon thingy said "protect us from hurricanes". I took that literally.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Feb 1, 2006 -> 09:03 AM) There are so many reasons to kick our oil habit, and they generally should unite our country. Many alternates are better for the environment, or at least not as bad as current technology. It doesn't seem that we've advanced as fast as some would have believed a few years ago. I think having two oil men at the top of the government has both helped and hindered that process. And of course there is always a balance. These s***bags are also customers for every US corporation from McDonalds to Coke and from AMD to Intel. When their economy goes belly up, it will have world wide ripples. It never is that simple. Frankly, if it means we get to kick our oil habit then US multinationals can go to hell. Im as pro-business as they come but this is a national security issue above all. We're dependent for our energy from a group of nations who are lukewarm in their relations with us at best and downright nasty at worst.

QUOTE(Rex Kickass @ Feb 1, 2006 -> 07:18 AM) Well if you wanna argue like that, in over five years, we've created an average of under 400,000 jobs per year and the percentage of adults in the workforce has decreased since 2000. So that's how. People are just dropping out of the workforce. You also started out those 5 years in recession and then had 9-11 thrown in on top of it. Thats like getting out of the starting blocks 5 minutes after the starting gun goes off.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Feb 1, 2006 -> 08:54 AM) Let's say there was a GOP Senator who was on the receiving end of that threat, which would be a worse case for any reelection bid, caving in to blackmail, a bj in Union Station? And why would a bj in Union Station be any better or worse then one near the Oval Office? When I heard it was Union Station, I assumed it was a Democrat I would imagine theres more than 1 Union Station out there.

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Feb 1, 2006 -> 08:49 AM) For the first time ever, I am responding to a Nuke post with: I do hope they are serious about it, and move on it. He talked this game a few years ago too, but we only spent 10 billion. Considering that's roughly a third of one year's profit for Exxon alone, I'd say that's not enough. We need to get serious, like Bush says he will. I hope we do. He claims we can have Ethanol as a viable alternitive to gasoline 6 years from now. I think thats a little optimistic but that defenitely seems to be the best shot we have to kick our oil habit. Believe me, as much as I defend the oil companies right to profit, I want to see us get rid of our foregin oil dependence as much as anybody. Id like nothing more than to be able to divorce ourselves from the Middle East and tell OPEC and s***bags like Chavez and the Iranian dictator to go to hell. Another thing too. Its going to be Venture Capitalists, not so much the government, that really drive this technology forward. I was reading an article in Money magazine online where they are supposedly lining up to fund this research because thats where they think the big growth is going to be. The private sector should drive this while government gives an assist with lessening red tape and providing tax credits.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Feb 1, 2006 -> 08:00 AM) We are also losing higher wage jobs and replacing them with lower wage jobs. I believe the military and military support industries are also hiring more people, which helps. Actually, if you look at the BLS statistics the biggest growth areas are in professional services ( read health care and financial services ), transportation and in construction. All of which are high paying jobs.

QUOTE(Cerbaho-WG @ Jan 31, 2006 -> 11:20 PM) Have you ever heard of a progressive income tax? Where the hell do you think most of the government's revenue comes from? Perhaps it's taxing the upper echelon of the tax bracket? And don't even start me on the stupid horses*** of supply side economics and the trickle down effect. Every rational person knows why this may offset inflation in the short term, it causes unemployment (hello Phillips curve), a decrease in the ability for government to spend money (GDP component) and increases the amount of debt which is begging to blow up in our faces. So tell me, if supply side economics is causeing unemployment then why are we hovering at 5% unemployment nowadays after 5 years of tax cuts?

QUOTE(Cerbaho-WG @ Jan 31, 2006 -> 11:17 PM) Oh, ignorance, how I don't miss you so. You do know that the amount of oil in ANWR is roughly 14 billion barrels of oil. You do know that the this amount of oil is totally miniscule in comparison to what we consume yearly and what we import. You do know that there is a guaranteed amount of roughly 180 billion barrels of oil shale in canada. You do know that a conservative amount of oil shale in Canada is about two trillion barrels. Now please, argue that we need to drill in ANWR again, please. You display enough of your own ignorance with your post here. Despite the cost of transporting oil from ANWR its still far and away more expensive to extract oil from oil shale.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Jan 31, 2006 -> 09:54 PM) Based on the size of the budgets, I assume you are discussing percentages, we spend a lot of money on the biggest of socialist programs, our military. The military is not a social program.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Jan 31, 2006 -> 09:52 PM) Who is paying those taxes? Show me how $1 cut becomes more than $1 paid in taxes later. Plus the $1 not taken in, and added to the debt, increases. How about you first show me how tax cuts are so bad when revenue is increasing. We have a defecit because government cant control its spending.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Jan 31, 2006 -> 09:47 PM) Kind of like people that claim there is waste in all areas of the government, EXCEPT, the military. Maybe not cutting taxes would make it easier to pay for all this. But that isn't the Republican plan, you have to give everyone a tax cut while spending more money. That's fiscally responsible as long as you can convince people someone else (not anyone wealthy) will pay for it later. There is no such thing as a perfect government program but I think you can look elsewhere and find far worse in the way of fraud and abuse. Example: I was in my accounting class earlier this evening and my professor once worked as an auditor for Medicaid in NY State. He told us a time he investigated a doctor who had billed Medicaid for 1 million dollars worth of care he did not provide. This doctor was caught and was allowed to get by paying 5000 a month in restitution to the government. After 2 months he left the state of NY and was never heard from again. This is 1 doctor doing this. Our socialist entitlement programs waste more money in a week than the DOD probably wastes all year.

QUOTE(LowerCaseRepublican @ Jan 31, 2006 -> 09:39 PM) But you get penalized for paying for a bloated military industrial complex, price gouging by Halliburton, misappropriated funds in Iraq, etc. yet speaking out against that is somehow construed as "leftist" (although critics are both right and left) propaganda. It is amazing. If penalties for being successful are bad, then speak out against these too. Yeah, that bloated military industrial complex which is doing 10 times as much with about 2/3rds of the people. Paying up to get our people the best equipment doesn't make the military bloated. You and people like you just love to talk out of both sides of your mouth. One side of your mouth is yelling for more body armor for the troops and the other side is wanting to cut billions from the defense budget.

QUOTE(Rex Kickass @ Jan 31, 2006 -> 09:39 PM) He better be, he's probably gonna be on the short list for VP candidates in 08. Oh and to Kap, if you were listening, he was producing ideas, solutions, plans. More than I've heard from the average opposition response in a decade of paying attention. He spent most of his speech comparing the Federal Government to Virginia.......which you may as well be comparing apples to oranges. I didnt hear him say much of anything that resembled an agenda for taking America forward.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Jan 31, 2006 -> 09:34 PM) Typical GOP, let's not pay for anything, run up huge debts to foreign banks, and pretend that someone else will come in and pay for it. We are giving it to Iraq (a non-producer) care to stop that huge expense? Oh, I suppose you could say the same about Afghanistan. Sure.......we have absolutely no interest at all there.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Jan 31, 2006 -> 09:32 PM) How is not paying taxes capitalism? How about balancing the budget instead of buying votes by promising you money and benefits? If a candidate paid each voter $50 he'd be in jail, if he promises to give everyone $50 in tax cuts and have someone else pay for it, he's a genious. Somebody had to pay for those cuts, with interest and it's going to be you and me. We pay taxes to pay for our government, we don't collect taxes to stimulate the economy. Let's not pay for anything, let's borrow trillions of dollars, that's the Republican way. Amazing that now it's the Democrats that want to balance a budget and the Republicans that keep promising someone else will pay the taxes in the future. How about making the government do with less before making the people do with less.

Politics aside, Im most pleased with the President getting serious about ramping up alternative energy research. That, above all, was what I wanted to hear.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Jan 31, 2006 -> 09:27 PM) There is a better way. How about we leave the tax cuts for those who affect the economy. The small business owner who will get boned if Dems try to repeal Bushes tax cuts. Lets penalize those who make a buck, because its the democratic way. Capitalism and not socialism is the better way. Typical liberalism right there. Lets take from the producers and give it to the non-producers.

How can this guy keep a straight face saying Democrats are trying to help get rid of partisanship and rancor in Washington when just yesterday Kennedy and Kerry were screaming for a filibuster for Sam Alito. LOL!

There's a better way...........theres a better way........... Socialism and defeatism are not them however........try again dude.

Oh this is soooooooooo typical of them. Bush sucks..........Bush sucks........Bush sucks........

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Jan 31, 2006 -> 09:15 PM) Make she can meet with Chirac and work towards the French model with the Department of Surrender.