Soxbadger

Hes a defensive guy only. And hes not very smart. I just think he assumed that coaches would be able to call a pro-style offense because that is all he ever seen at Wisconsin. From day 1 people were questioning the hires and how they would work at Wisconsin. The guy he was going to promote to OC, left for Pittsburgh so since then hes kind of just been making bad move after bad move.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Sep 11, 2012 -> 10:33 AM) Much of what they are striking over is directly related to classroom resources and sizes, not teachers' pay and benefits. because they can still collectively bargain and have negotiating power? 1) If you have $100 to spend, and the teachers want $99 in salary, that leaves me $1 on classroom resources and sizes. If you have 1 teacher making $75k instead of 3 teachers making $25k, that is classrooms that are triple the size. When money is fixed, you have to make tough decisions. 2) Yep it is their right to take the people of Chicago to the cleaners. And it is my right to convince people to go against them. There are consequences, and they may win the battle to lose the war on this one. Because many of my pro-union people are pretty upset at how CTU is going about this. Its not really been well received that CTU is taking on Rahm in Obama's election year. It really isnt the time or place, but if CTU wants to leverage everything for this, go for it. But you reap what you sow.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Sep 11, 2012 -> 10:32 AM) I received my first raise in 4 years this year. Teachers aren't getting any more benefits than most others. Are you a CPS teacher?

QUOTE (ptatc @ Sep 11, 2012 -> 10:29 AM) Their job is also to prepare for the instruction. If you really think that most teachers (I know there are some but it is the minority) don't spend more time outside the instruction time then you need to go work with one for a month. Its everyone's responsibility to prepare for their job. Many of my friends are teachers, including my mother, not one of them would trade their schedule for mine.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Sep 11, 2012 -> 10:24 AM) I know I put in more time out of the classroom between preparation, Grading etc. than in the classroom. Teachers must do more outside the workplace than most other professions. Also the compensation is slightly different from a law firm to a school. Do law firms make you buy your pencils and such on your own? Many teachers purchase thing for their classrooms that schools do not provide any longer. The lawyers I hire right now make 50% of what a starting CPS teacher does. I can pay them $25k because the market is saturated and they are begging for a job. Think about that for a second, many new lawyers are making less than a CPS teacher, having to work double the hours, having to pay 50% of their insurance, no pension, no tenure, no job security. Not saying that is fair, but the world has changed. The rest of us have made significant sacrifices, I dont believe asking CTU to not take a raise when Chicago is out of money is to unreasonable.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Sep 11, 2012 -> 10:20 AM) No one is claiming that teachers work more than anyone else in this thread. You're being intentionally obtuse. Isnt this what youve been claiming? That teachers have it so bad that they should be getting all of these benefits, pay raises, etc, while the rest of us struggle and either take pay cuts or get no raises? Because if they arent working harder than anyone else, why are they deserving of special privileges in a time of economic strife?

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Sep 11, 2012 -> 10:17 AM) Please read the rest of that post and the article for your answer! I did read the rest of the post. Once again, you need to read your own post. They only spend 1,000 hours instructing. That is their job. You have been arguing that teachers spend so much time at school teaching, but now by your own admission they only spend 1,000, with almost another 1,000 coming OUTSIDE OF THE CLASSROOM, where they can, POST ON SOXTALK, and take MENTAL BREAKS. Most people go to a job and have to do at least 1,600 hours at the work site (that is 8 hours a day for 200 days), I dont know anyone who has a 48 week work year and gets 2 weeks vacation, plus all federal/state holidays (read your own post for gods sake). Last I checked there were 52 weeks in the year, where did that other month go?

I think the bigger issue was hiring a bunch of spread offense coaches to come to Wisconsin.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Sep 11, 2012 -> 10:11 AM) So, even though they get lots of time off, they still put in almost as many hours as the average full-time employee. What full time employee only works 1,000 hours per year? Some firms expect attorneys to bill 200 hours a month (50 hours per week). That is 2,400 hours.

QUOTE (Cerbaho-WG @ Sep 11, 2012 -> 09:50 AM) So I'm right. Thanks. The fact that they're walking out is such a red herring. Are conservatives here enraged because 1) they're walking out on students or 2) people are using their rights to unionize, collectively bargain and strike? If you say number one, you're full of s***. Full stop. Im pretty sure that most conservatives would call me a liberal. Im not enraged, I just dont believe that CTU is living in reality. Unions were created so that the worker would have better bargaining power with the employer. A classic example is the Home Stead Strike, where even though Carnegie Steel was making barrels of money, they tried to REDUCE wages 22%. Unions were not created so a class of people can create a barrier of entry to a necessary public service. Unions were not created so that necessary public interests could be leveraged against regular common people. There is no Carnegie here, there are just Chicago taxpayers who have already paid all they can pay. Usually there is risk for the union, if they go to far, if they ask for to much, the business may fail and no one has a job. Rahm cant just fold CPS, he cant say that the teachers have become unreasonable and there is no way that CPS will ever be fixed. So the teachers can do whatever they want, because they know no matter how unreasonable they are, there will be a job for them. If you would like to know more about my stance, perhaps you should read the Walker-Wisconsin thread where I fully supported unions and went after Walker. So if someone as pro-union as I am cant agree with CTU, they have a significant issue.

QUOTE (dasox24 @ Sep 10, 2012 -> 11:05 PM) What a fall for Markuson. Only a few years ago he was considered one of the best offensive line coaches in college football... Now he's getting fired after 2 games. I thought he would have been a really good fit at Wisconsin. I havent read a lot into it because Im just so annoyed with the situation. But I think that some of it was Markuson wasnt entirely committed to Wisconsin (at least thats what ive read) so this was a way for both sides to part early. I personally think Bielema f***ed up in hiring and is now scrambling to fix his mess.

Thats just how clever I am.

We definitely shouldnt post 4 times in a row that just makes it seem like I have multiple personalities.

QUOTE (JPN366 @ Sep 10, 2012 -> 10:38 PM) You two can't have the same f***ing avatar, it's confusing. I thought the same thing, and then I laughed. Mine is slightly different, I have a Nietzsche quote.

I was commenting on it the other day, and in a show of solidarity. Mustache rides for all!

When I start kicking everyone with Guy Fawkes masks in the scrotum, theyll know the score.

I have no inside information, but it has to be close to meltdown mode.

They have definitely made a formidable enemy today.

QUOTE (bmags @ Sep 10, 2012 -> 04:16 PM) Don't be dense. What conclusion should I be reaching? I didnt make the post, I just simply asked where it was going because I was interested. Since you seem to know the answer, why dont you enlighten me.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Sep 10, 2012 -> 04:12 PM) But they can't post on Soxtalk! Look, wed all trade 40 extra days of vacation for just 1 second of sweet sweet Soxtalk.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 10, 2012 -> 04:11 PM) How do those numbers compare when you control for the fact that 90% of CPS students are low enough income to qualify for government assisted meals? Where is that argument going? Poor people arent smart?

Its my fault.

You could have smaller class sizes if you paid teachers less. But when there is no excess money, you cant, pay teachers the same and have more teachers. Math just doesnt work that way, thanks teachers!

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Sep 10, 2012 -> 02:25 PM) soxbadger, every post you make during working hours only helps my point. Im on the phone with someone, how is that helping your point? I guess unlike a teacher, I can discuss a foreclosure while posting on a message board. Not exactly rocket science here. And if we are comparing to teachers, when is the last time a teacher got a call from a student at 3 am Sunday morning? Can you name a time when a teacher had to sit by the door at a restaurant on Friday night because they may get a call? Or that they couldnt go to the movies because their phone needed to be on. Youre better off sticking with the "Everyone should have it as good as teachers" argument, as opposed to the "teachers work harder than you do." Because trying to argue both, is going to sink either.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Sep 10, 2012 -> 02:22 PM) That shows a major problem with the teachers union. The City of Chicago is broke, yet is forced to pay these teachers way higher than the going market rate because of the union. That in turn puts the city into greater debt, forcing them to raise property taxes on their citizens. No, instead of actually fixing issues, we should all fight to get paid what our employer cant pay so we can bankrupt the system. Unions for all!