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QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Sep 10, 2012 -> 02:19 PM) They get lunch breaks, but so do most workers. They're required to be "on" more constantly than many other professions. Silent reading? Class taking test? Gym class, music class, video? Im just confused as to what you are considering working. If its "sitting in the classroom watching kids" then yes they are working constantly. But thats no different than sitting in an office reading my email, listening to voice mail or any of the other million mundane activities I do while I post on soxtalk.

Strangesox, I get that you have a vested interest in this subject, but some of your statements are just misleading. Teachers do get breaks during the day. I have never met a teacher, at any level, who lectured 8 hours straight no stops. Not to mention we have different expectations. I cant blame anyone else, there is no student, parent, etc not paying attention. Its simply, I win or I lose. If I win more because I come on Soxtalk and work out my issues by arguing here instead of fighting in the office with other co-workers, that is doing my job.

Iamshack, We should all be fighting for vacations. Instead of being responsible and realizing that people need to work so s*** gets done, we should all just fight to not work. Who is coming with me! My new union, The Every Worker Union, refuses to let any worker work who does not get 2 months summer vacation, 2 weeks winter vacation and 1 week spring vacation. What, you say the company will shut down if we have no workers in the summer, STRIKE! The problem here is that unlike a regular business, where if the worker goes to far they lose their job, this job is guaranteed. No matter how bad they screw it up, there is still going to be a CPS tomorrow. There is absolutely no risk for these teachers, and that is the problem. In order for their to be equal bargain, there has to be a risk that if the worker asks for to much, the business fails. Can Rahm really declare CPS over, and just tell parents to "Deal with it."

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Sep 10, 2012 -> 01:39 PM) Union members are "regular humans." But unions were the ones to first fight, often literally, for the workers' rights we all enjoy. Unions still make sense since management still has immensely more bargaining power than labor. Labor struggle isn't about equal treatment (it's not a discrimination/civil rights movement) but bargaining power for labor, and most workers, especially with the decline of unions, do not have that. The first unionized shops that were able to stand against violent crackdowns had better perks than everyone else, but their power and their influence grew to the point that 5-day, 40-hour weeks are the norm along with a host of other accomplishments. I find it disheartening that the typical response to one group of workers having comparatively better wages, benefits, employment protections and bargaining power is for other groups of workers to tear them down, to decry them for not suffering like the rest of us. I understand unions, but you really need to differentiate between public sector unions and private sector unions. Unions were created so that private companies couldnt screw employees. Unions were not set up so that a small group of people can leverage the good of society for a raise. I have no problem with unions, see the Scott Walker thread. I have a problem with unions that are greedy and make a bad name for other unions. I have a problem with unions that set up a system to protect their own at the expense of society. I find it disheartening that you cant differentiate situations. QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Sep 10, 2012 -> 01:40 PM) Somewhere between believing that workers should accept whatever s*** deal management hands them and stopping the continual decline of the middle class and impoverishment of the working and non-working poor. But in this situation there are no fat cats. Management is the people of Chicago. This isnt Standard Oil making $100bil in profits while their employees die on an oil rig. This is a company that is bleeding money, where the employees want more. Its not always the same, you have to differentiate.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Sep 10, 2012 -> 01:24 PM) Alternatively, we can close the ever-widening wealth and income gaps instead of racing to the bottom. But this isnt about that. This is about a select group getting better benefits than the whole. Teachers are complaining about raises, in an economy when many people are being forced to take paycuts. And it is those very same people who have to then pay for teachers to get raises. Most people would just like the job security a teacher has, let alone the raises.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Sep 10, 2012 -> 01:20 PM) Thanks to union organization. It's unfortunate that all labor isn't represented so that they can't be trampled by management without a say. Its not unfortunate. Unions used to make sense, now they fight for more rights then regular humans get. Unions werent created so that workers could get better perks than everyone, they were created so they could get equal treatment. QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Sep 10, 2012 -> 01:22 PM) If you're posting on SoxTalk, you're not working. Teachers generally don't get the luxury of taking those sorts of mental breaks throughout the day. Are you the working police? How do you determine whether I am working or not?

QUOTE (Leonard Zelig @ Sep 10, 2012 -> 01:03 PM) You obviously have no idea what teachers do. Its the only occupation I know of that you can only do half of your job while you are on the clock. My clock never turns off. I am literally on call 24 hours a day, every single day, without exception. At any time my phone can ring with an emergency. QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Sep 10, 2012 -> 01:03 PM) my wife was working until almost midnight this past saturday. Plus, you don't get much time during the day to sit at a desk and post on SoxTalk if you're a teacher. You can't take that trip to the bathroom or the water cooler to break away for a few minutes if you're handling a classroom. I get to sit at my desk and play on Soxtalk because I can multitask and take care of 1) a client on the phone, 2) writing nonsense and 3) posting on Soxtalk. Most jobs have out of work responsibility. Yet only 1 job gets that amount of time off. If being a teacher is so bad, why are all the teacher fairs jammed with people praying for a job?

QUOTE (MurcieOne @ Sep 10, 2012 -> 12:30 PM) I disagree that it's a pretty laid back lifestyle. I think for most good CPS teachers, it's the opposite. Trying to get kids to learn when their families don't give a s*** etc. . . They get summer vacation, winter vacation and spring vacation. For the most part they never have to work on the weekends. I would kill for that.

It was nice to not have Martz as the OC.

I just dont understand how things are that bad. These arent coal miners who are injured at a high clip and being given no health insurance. I know a lot of people who would take considerably less to work in CPS. That is the part teachers dont seem to understand right now. Maybe back in the day people didnt want to be teachers, but now a ton do because it has good benefits, good pay and a pretty laid back lifestyle.

I just asked a question. Ive been here a long time, I never even imagined that people would complain to admin about that type of stuff. I brought up the college threads because they are dominated by a few schools, I am in the minority as basically the only Wisconsin fan. I dont complain to admin that there are too many Illinois fans or Indiana fans, I either 1) deal with it or 2) go to a Wisconsin message board and read there. I just am surprised that people actually complain about this. Its a message board, the dynamics of the message board are driven by the posters. Those posters are swimming up stream, and if they quit, all I can say is, really? That is what you are going to quit over. If you think that a Bears Game thread is needed and makes sense, go for it. But it appears people will never be happy, so might as well please the majority. Tyranny of the majority for all!

Do "other" fans really complain that much? This is a Chicago sports forum, people dont complain about Illini game talk during college games, I dont see why it would be any different for Bears. /puzzeled

Wisconsin didnt deserve to win, but they got jobbed on that onside kick call. #8 from OSU appeared to hit the ball and thats why it deflected back and was under 10 yards. The bottom line is that it has to be indisputable evidence, which means if there is any argument against overturning it cant be overturned. Bulls*** rule application, but whatever, Canada better learn quick or else he may not make it past 1 year.

Barring a dramatic change Wisconsin is going to easily lose this game.

Bielema is terrible, its hard to watch.

Mustache rides for all!

Napping? Old people

Corporations are people too! Im pro-life, dont let McBain abort my company!

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Sep 7, 2012 -> 04:51 PM) Yep. Bears game. Weed. Red Zone. Nap 1 of those things was not mentioned enough.

Didnt you hear Obama's speech last night, if you dream it you can achieve it. If you cant injure him alone, what about if the govt gave you a baseball bat. And after you beat Lebron we can all cheer, "We did that!".

First power ranking of the year, kind of hard with most teams only playing their preseason little sister of the poor schedule. That being said there is 1 team that Im ranking higher than most, but I think its for good reason. http://flapship.com/ncaa-football-power-rankings-week-2/

I dont know where else to put this but the ad that was showing up was about Michelle Bachman. At first glance it appeared to say "Go on a date with Michelle Bachman" and I thought that was the oddest online dating ad ever.

Youre just going to try and injure him so that the bulls can win right? Because my plan was to go Ultimate Warrior on Ryan.

QUOTE (mr_genius @ Sep 7, 2012 -> 03:43 PM) That's like me saying I want to play basketball 1 vs 1 against Lebron. Not really, its more like a college basketball player saying they want to play Obama in basketball. Ryan is more famous, but if I got my chance, Im pretty sure Id beat him.

I wish I could debate Ryan. Id even let him pick the issues.