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QUOTE (RockRaines @ May 8, 2012 -> 02:11 PM) Yeah you can grill it, fry it, etc. Its incredibly nutrient rich and has been done for centuries. Its not some weird fad. I find it decidedly weird.

Special thanks to BS for helping me get this posted without a "link".

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ May 8, 2012 -> 01:26 PM) dont break greg please. He is on loan from KC, we have to return him sometime, all pieces need to be in place. I figured someone has to "welcome" him to The Buster...gotta have thick skin to hang around these parts!

QUOTE (greg775 @ May 8, 2012 -> 12:57 PM) If there was no God, what is the point of all this? Even being here? Are we just going to die and bam, that's that, thanks for playing 60-100 years? I think God is amazed at how low his creations can go ... all the horrible murders throughout history, and bizarre things humans do, but I do think he exists. Your first mistake is in assuming there has to be a point in all of this. The point of living is quite simple...to live, nothing more. No, you don't just die and bam, that's it...your energy is returned to the Universe -- to the stars -- from whence it came. God exists depending on what you view as "God". For example, I consider God to be the prime mover. Whatever occurred that created the universe, be it a big bang or otherwise, THAT event, in and of itself, represents God to me. I don't, however, consider it a floating guy in the sky surrounded by angels playing harps. ^^ I dare you to watch this and not feel a bit better about the universe in which you live...

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ May 8, 2012 -> 11:00 AM) I've got some from my old computer i'm going to put in this, so i'll have 12gb total. And I got a sweet deal on my Windows. $40 bucks. A buddy of mine works with Microsoft and can buy a copy from them directly. Saved me $60 bucks from buying a new copy on newegg.com If you are mixing ram, you have to make sure they run at the same speeds, or all of your ram will run slow...new memory is usually 1333mhz+, your old memory might be half that... Memory: 4GB X2 PATRIOT DDR3 1600 Edit: That's 1600mhz memory. If your old memory isn't 1600 (and I doubt it is), don't mix them. Whatever the case on Windows, just make sure its 64bit -- if it's not, you'll only have about 3 gigs of usable memory (with your gfx memory), regardless of how much ram you actually have installed.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ May 8, 2012 -> 09:24 AM) So I ended up buying a bunch of parts to build my own. I'll be one of those nerdy kids on message boards and post my specs: Processor: INTEL CORE I5 3570K Mobo - GIGABYTE GA-Z77-D3H (Z77 LGA1155) Video Card: SAPPHIRE AMD HD6850 Power: ROSEWILL RG530-S12 530W Memory: 4GB X2 PATRIOT DDR3 1600 SSD Drive: 60G OCZ SATAIII HDD: 500G WD SATAIII All for $755 with tax/shipping and about $55 bucks in rebates/credits, a free $50 game (Dirt 3) and a free 1 year additional warranty on the power supply. My only "regret" is that the power supply is 530W and if I ever wanted to add a 2nd AMD card and do the whole crossfire thing it's technically supposed to have 600W. I might try it out, or worst case just buy another 50-60 dollar power supply. With my current AMD card I always intended to get a second one but never did, so chances are I'll never do it. You should double that amount of ram...it'll only cost about ~50$. also, make sure you get a 64 bit version of Windows...I assume you will be running Windows, as you don't appear to be much of a Linux type.

QUOTE (greg775 @ May 7, 2012 -> 06:02 PM) Are u serious? Why the f*** would this happen? What woman wants to eat them like a steak? What more can you tell us about this? I feel sick. the pills story has totally overwhelmed me. They found fingernails in the pills?? Hairs??? God is so upset at the world right now. Being a heinous piece of trash that would help "create a market" for other heinous pieces of trash to create such a pill has nothing to do with "god". It has everything to do with pieces of trash being a pieces of trash. It s*** like this...that I know a just and loving "god" does not exist. Praise him for all that is great, and claim he works in mysterious ways for all the heinous trash in the world...this being a perfect example of such. IF god exists, and IF he/she/it allows this type of "free will", then f*** him/her/it, too...right along with the people that make these markets, and the others for supporting them.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ May 7, 2012 -> 05:08 PM) During my wife's pregnancy these last few months I've learned there is a disturbingly large number of women who take their placentas home and eat them like a steak. January Jones, of Mad Men fame, reportedly has done this. W.T.F. That's f***ing sick, and if it's true, January Jones is an idiot...then again, a lot of hollywood types are...such as that one that chews her babys food for them, then feeds them? I forget who this is/was, but apparently she still does it. I find this type of behavior to be childish, though I'm sure it gets dismissed as eccentric.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ May 7, 2012 -> 04:25 PM) This is something I am trying to get in to. Whats the secret to getting up in the morning to do it? Being insane. From everything I know, the best time to do cardio is in the morning, and the best time to do lifting or hard exercise is in the afternoon/evening. I haven't, however, looked into actual science backing those claims...it's something I have to get around to doing.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ May 7, 2012 -> 01:11 PM) I agree 100%. I take those to the gym and also learn from others. I think the exercise of going to the gym energizes me quite a bit. Same...and I'm not sure why. You would think the added necessity of having to go to a gym, which takes time, would be something to avoid...but it actually help motivate me somehow...where staying at home actually has a negative effect.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ May 7, 2012 -> 12:15 PM) I dont agree with being "big" as part of being healthy. I think the mass producing workouts in the 80's and 90's are a bit passe' and i think ultimately it turns out bad for people as they age. My knees suffered from having too much mass. This is why I like the p90/circuit training technique at least a few times a week as staying lean and being strong can be better for you in the long run. i think alot of the value in the P90 tapes is it helps teach people that endurance part of strength training which is very valuable in the long run as you get older. I agree with you, in part. You are right when you say being big has nothing to be being healthy, but for that matter, neither does being "fit" or "lean". Yes, they are contributing factors, especially for things like diabetes, but not for every health concern, most of which you have zero control over, regardless of how clean of a lifestyle you live. With that said, people who bother doing any sort of workout, be it merely lifting weights, or running, also tend to pay closer attention to their diets and overall fitness/health. Also of note, I'm not "big", nor am I looking to be one of those meatheads that can't scratch their own back. I lie somewhere between the two "styles" of fitness of heavy weight training and P90X. I absolutely agree that P90X is great for the endurance part of strength training, a part most weightlifters completely -- and IMO, stupidly -- ignore. I supplement my strength training routines with P90X Plyo routine, for legs, not to mention running/cycling/rollerblading depending on the season. I never do leg type "weight" workouts in the gym, such as squats, or deadlifts, etc...I think they are dangerous and terrible for your knees. Mostly, you have to find what works for you and what keeps you interested. I know myself...and I know I get bored with non-gym home workouts like P90X rather quickly, and I also know that I enjoy going to a gym, which helps keep me focused so I stay on track. I can't stress enough that there is no ONE perfect workout for everyone...if P90X doesn't keep your interest, find something that does. But there IS a workout out there for everyone, of that, I'm convinced. They just have to find what it is.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ May 7, 2012 -> 10:42 AM) You can't unspend that money, though. The deficit ceiling has to be raised periodically to pay for goods and services already approved by Congress. It wasn't a budget act. If the tea party House members had gotten their way last summer, the US would have defaulted on payments it already owed. The results would have been catastrophic. Yep, I know that.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ May 7, 2012 -> 08:54 AM) No. I responded to his false statement that all non-emergency medical procedures require a 24 hour waiting period. Yes, I know that. Sorry, I meant to green my text and didn't. You know I'd never hit you with a stick...lightly...

QUOTE (Rex Kicka** @ May 7, 2012 -> 09:40 AM) There's a difference between being broke and bankrupt. One means you are no longer honoring your obligations. This is true, however, adding endless amounts of debt, despite still paying the "minimum payments due", is the inevitable road to bankruptcy.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ May 7, 2012 -> 10:09 AM) Yes, but it's completely up to me to stop eating so late. I usually get enough of a workout at work, but the constant eating is what kills me. I'll either have to do this when I get out of work (very tired, not giving 100% of the effort) or do it when I wake up and try to stop the eating (and bad at that) when I get out at 5 in the morning. That's the hard part, and it's practically impossible to overcome without deciding to "starve yourself"...which isn't realistic. If you work out, you burn calories...the more calories you burn, the more fuel your body will want. This is natural. If you're working out and not eating, you'll simply feel starved all day long...which isn't fun. Change up what you eat late...try to keep the carb count lower (if possible), and make sure you do your workouts...don't "skip days" unless you have a legitimate excuse, such as injury or sickness. If you do your workouts, despite eating late, you'll STILL lose weight and be in better shape.

QUOTE (Reddy @ May 7, 2012 -> 09:56 AM) muscle confusion. yeah, i get how it may or may not be a thing. but to me, it makes sense that doing the same exact workout over and over will cause your muscles to plateau... get used to them... changing up your workouts every few weeks seems to just make logical sense. even changing the sequence of a workout. (although maybe MC is really brain confusion, and switching things up is just a way to keep people interested in the program and not get bored) That is just a natural size "plateau" where your muscles simply cant get any bigger because the tendon holding them to the bone doesn't get bigger...your body knows when the growth is naturally unsustainable and stops as to prevent injury. One way to get over this is with steroids...where your body will allow the muscle to continue it's unnatural growth to the point it tears because the tendon simply wasn't made to sustain that kind of hold. That, or you can just push your workouts to a dangerous point where injury is inevitable. What muscle confusion actually is, is a fancy term that people need to change up their workouts because the human body consists of muscles you don't tend to work out with most standard movements. If you do the same leg workout every week, odds are there are muscles you are missing in your legs...and this term, muscle confusion, was introduced to make sure you change up your routine so you're now hitting those previously untouched muscles, too. P90X, for example, is good at this because it covers such a wide variety of movements, that it inevitably hits every muscle you have. Over time, muscle confusion turned into a pseudo-scientific term that claims to allow you to overcome this natural size plateau...when that's not what it really does.

QUOTE (iamshack @ May 7, 2012 -> 09:49 AM) Yeah, I don't get caught up in their marketing mumbo jumbo...in P90X2, their new bread and butter is something called PAP, Post-Activation Potentiation. From what I can tell, this has been around for the last decade or so, and they are selling it as if it is brand new. They are also acting as if it will really benefit me, when it probably benefits someone training for like one special event in the olympics or something. I really don't buy into the marketing stuff, and I really don't go too crazy about the diet...what I do love is that it is a structured routine that I can follow with relative ease and get awesome results. That's all I really care about. One thing I can definitively say about P90X and what it does do...and does VERY well, is give you endless amounts of endurance. My biggest problem has always been by diet. For a while, I was pretty strict on what I'd eat, etc...but that never works out long term. There are simply times where it's impossible to follow, so over time I decided that what I'd do is make health choices when available, but not dwell on it too much. That, and beer. I like beer. And when it comes to slimming down to your smallest percentage of body fat, beer = bad.

QUOTE (Reddy @ May 7, 2012 -> 09:44 AM) DUDE I'm 5'7" also! only at 135/40 right now (don't have a scale). I'd LOVE to be at 145/50 and have it be lean muscle. now I'm gonna try and pick your brain for your secrets At my best, I weighed right about 150lbs. Right now, I'm admittedly carrying about 7 lbs of fat I need to get rid of. That's what I gained over the 18 month layoff from not working out in a serious fashion. I'm also weaker than I was at the time, obviously. At my absolute peak, I weighed about 146lbs and I was able to pass the NFL strength test with 6 reps. Now, for a lot of people bench pressing 225lbs isn't a big deal...but when you weigh slightly over 145lbs, it's pretty f***ing hard. At that time, I was actually able to bench over 250lbs...but I'd only get 1 or 2 reps out of that. Despite weighing 10+ pounds more than that right now, I know I couldn't do it. I'm not strong enough yet. I need another month in the gym.

QUOTE (iamshack @ May 7, 2012 -> 09:35 AM) I think everyone should do whatever they like to do. It's obvious, Y2H, that you know quite a bit about exercising and you are well-informed enough to know what works for you and what doesn't. I'm pretty sure that people that are really at an advanced stage can put together their own routines. I doubt Tony Horton does the P90X routine to keep himself in the shape he does. I think the brilliance of P90X and 2 is that it packages a very effective workout that accomplishes the goals of what a large percentage of people are looking to accomplish by working out. I don't feel embarrassed at all that I have to follow these videos to get in really good shape. And the results I have gotten are such that I wouldn't care if someone did make fun of me. In fact, there are a few people at work that like to poke fun of the "muscle confusion" thing, and I roll with it, but a lot of times that is just their way of deflecting their own feelings of inadequacy for being unwilling or unable to do the program themselves. No one makes fun of me when I kick all their asses in our football and basketball games every weekend. In fact, that's when all the questions begin. It's important to keep active, especially as you age, because the less active you become, the more of being inactive becomes your routine. Once it's your routine, it's very hard to break. This is why I dislike crash diets and crash workouts. For the record, I don't find P90X to be "crash"...the diet they have is a bit crash, but not the workouts themselves. Insanity, on the other hand, is a crash workout...it's unsustainable just like a crash diet...at least, in my opinion. Also, I have more reading to do on the "muscle confusion" thing, but from what I've read over the years to this point, scientifically speaking, it isn't real. From the scientific research done on this...muscles are either overloaded or they're not, and there is no way to 'confuse them', as they simply perform actions they are able to perform and that's that. I know P90X uses this term as a selling point, and it's a term that's existed in the weight lifting/exercise community for a LONNNNNNG time, but the way I see it...it's not really important. So long as you are doing something, you're doing something...and that's always going to be better than doing nothing.

QUOTE (Reddy @ May 7, 2012 -> 09:29 AM) that's completely fair. i'm a smaller guy, so sticking with 15-50lbs is enough for me for generally everything (sans Lawnmowers), so it's easier for me to get that in at home than it would be for you. P90X is by no means the be-all-end-all of workout regimens. BUT for people who don't have a lot of experience at the gym or don't have a trainer or were never on a sports team that taught them conditioning, it's a helluva program to target - like you said - the whole body. and dude, you're lookin' at the king of abrasive over here. being a Beachbody Coach is a great exercise for me cuz I have to deal with people b****ing out on their workouts, but you can only yell at them so much before you have to switch it up and be nice to them and say it's ok that they're being a big ole bag of floppy wet vagina. So i get it. I'm actually very small myself. I'm only 5' 7" and I weigh about 158lbs. When I first got into working out, and this was over a decade ago, I was the little skinny kid that weighed in at about 120lbs. I had to take almost two years off from working out because of fluke medical issues I went through over the last few years, but I'm finally "back" to full health and back in the gym...so it was just a few months ago that I was able to return to working out.

QUOTE (Reddy @ May 7, 2012 -> 09:09 AM) ok i'm sorry. what's silly is you and soxfan saying you feel "embarassed" to do it. who cares what other people think? If they think less of you for getting in shape and living a healthy life... um... well... then f*** em. there. no ripping. I totally understand how silly it is to 'feel embarrassed' by those workouts...but it's the truth, it's how I feel when I perform them. I can't just 'not feel embarrassed', by something I find embarrassing, either, I wish I could. I still perform the P90X Plyo routine from time to time, but to this day I cannot do them in front of people. I didn't mean to convey, in any regard, that I think P90X is a terrible workout. Quite the opposite, in fact...but they're not really my cup of tea.

QUOTE (Reddy @ May 7, 2012 -> 09:12 AM) agreed on that last point. i have a set of powerblocks so maybe that makes the difference. Even with those, there is only so much you can do with a set of dumbbells that don't match up what I do in the gym. As an example, here is my basic arm routine: Wide Grip Bicep Curls with a 2 handed curl bar. 10 reps at 75lbs 8 reps at 90lbs 6 reps at 110 lbs Skullcrushers (French Press) 10 reps at 75lbs 10 reps at 90lbs 10 reps at 110lbs Single Arm Hammer Curls (with dumbbells) 10 reps at 30lbs 8 reps at 35lbs 6 reps at 40lbs Tricep Dips 10 reps 10 reps 10 reps --- There is one more set of exercises for this routine...and IMO, P90X does not match what this routine produces. That doesn't mean P90X is bad, it just isn't what I'm looking for in an arm workout. Also, just because I find the videos to be embarrassing in front of other people doesn't mean I didn't do them when I was alone. I wasn't saying the videos suck, either...sorry if it came off that way. I know I can be an abrasive individual at times...and there are times I'm trying to be...but this wasn't one of them. I do get abrasive toward the P90X crowd, however, when I'm told that that workout is better than any other workout there is and that's all there is too it. I have no problem with a person loving P90X...by all means, do it...but that's not the kind of workout everyone is searching for...or even likes. To break it down to it's simplest form: I find P90X to be "work", I find it long, drawn out and boring, DESPITE how hard it is. I find the routines I perform in the gym to be "fun", despite the fact that it takes just as long. I also feel that while P90X makes me "overall exhausted", that my gym routines tend to leave those specific targeted body parts exhausted.

QUOTE (Reddy @ May 7, 2012 -> 09:09 AM) ok i'm sorry. what's silly is you and soxfan saying you feel "embarassed" to do it. who cares what other people think? If they think less of you for getting in shape and living a healthy life... um... well... then f*** em. there. no ripping. I pretty much said exactly that in my original post before he got mad at me and posted about how abrasive I am, after basically being abrasive about it.

QUOTE (Reddy @ May 7, 2012 -> 09:06 AM) also as far as being cardio centric... did you have weights when you did it or only bands? that makes a huge, huge difference. and I do throw in extra resistance workouts like i mentioned a few days back - but as a program it is GREAT for leaning you out and shredding you up. My biceps and pecs are all bigger having done P90X. You just have to max out your weight at 7-8 reps and take longer breaks and you'll get size. I used free weights, I don't have bands. The P90X program is exactly what you described...a leaning/shredding program. I don't have weights heavy enough at my house to perform the arm workouts I perform in the gym, for example. Same goes for every body part. I do, however, still use P90X for the Plyo routine. I think it's the best leg workout there is, bar none.

QUOTE (Reddy @ May 7, 2012 -> 09:05 AM) i didn't say it's not ok! what's silly is you and soxfan ripping on it because you feel "embarassed" doing it. like i said before, that's not a problem with the videos... I'm not "ripping on it" because I feel embarrassed by it...I'm really not ripping on it at all. I think that's the source of my confusion here...you guys feel I'm ripping on it, and I'm not.