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QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Apr 3, 2012 -> 10:21 AM) Except for Bush v Gore! Which wasn't a state election.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Apr 3, 2012 -> 10:15 AM) First, this "rival gang leader" would already be held in separate custody from general population because he's a known gang leader. Second, is this strip search policy common at every jail? If not, why doesn't this scenario of yours happen all the time? First, that's not true aside from the top of the top when it comes to "known gang leaders", which you can count on one hand. Rival gang members, etc...all still exist. You should make a visit to Cook County Jail once. There are intrem jails they are held at before being convicted and sentenced and moved to federal prisons. Second, even at federal prisons where separation happens, there ARE times when they are intermixed. There is a difference between holding cells, at your local police station, and a jail, such as cook county...or the federal prison they have in the middle of downtown Chicago.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Apr 3, 2012 -> 10:11 AM) TSA agents have training and are federal employees. But the question was more about "how far do you want to allow police measures to go in the name of security?" As far as is necessary. Like I've previously stated, which you seem to refuse to believe...but police don't actually go around looking for innocent people to arrest, strip search and throw in jail. I know this sounds crazy and insane...but they actually look for criminals, and in that wacky search, they sometimes get the wrong guy, and once in a while an innocent slips through the cracks. This is an unfortunate side effect of assholes existing in this world. Police often deal with the worst of the worst in terms of s***...so you and I won't have too.

Ok, and here is the reason why this exists at jails...as I can give you a real world scenario. Gangs are not as stupid as people think... "Here's what you have to do to become a member...you have a clean record...so get arrested for a 'minor' offense...being that you have no prior records, they won't search you...so what you're going to do is sneak this shank into the jail...after you're in, you're to give it to this person, who will then slay rival gang leader X. Upon his death, you're a full member. They'll never know it was you, either. After you're released, come back to us. TYVM." There are pretty good reasons why jails strip search people...reasons you haven't thought of, or think would never happen.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Apr 3, 2012 -> 10:04 AM) Breyer covers this in his dissent--it's an exceedingly rare scenario that anyone you wouldn't have reasonable suspicion of in the first place tried to sneak a weapon in and that it wouldn't have been caught by a pat-down. How far does this logic take us? Is no security risk anywhere acceptable? Strip searches at airports? The logic leap you just made went from government granted POLICE powers to low paid TSA agents without training? Really? It doesn't go that far...it's police powers versus not.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Apr 3, 2012 -> 09:57 AM) But if it's just commerce regulation, intra- or inter-, then it'd be Federally Constitutional since the Federal government can regulate interstate commerce and health insurance qualifies (at least no one is making an argument to the contrary that I've seen, and it certainly didn't seem to be a central element of Clement's arguments). If it is ok for states but not ok for Feds, it must be some other power being exercised. It explicitly says in the US Constitution that congress CANNOT. This is not a regulation of commerce, it's a creation of commerce.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Apr 3, 2012 -> 09:54 AM) Litigation for what? Not 4th and 14th amendment violations. It's not that every police department will do this, it's that they can. I believe you should have a Constitutionally protected right to privacy from being strip searched after being detained for any offense, no matter how minor. No, you shouldn't, for the reasons I stated...and you ignored.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Apr 3, 2012 -> 09:52 AM) this is the opening paragraph of the opinion: I'm not OK with this being an acceptable policy for police. It's a huge invasion of privacy. Ehh, you're walking a grey area here. That article is about being initiated into a public jail with shared cells...probably community sized. They do this because they HAVE too at jails like this, for the reasons I've previously stated. If they sneak a weapon into there and kill someone, the officer that sent them in is at fault. Now, for regular holding cells...no, they don't do it to everyone...can they? Yes...for obvious reasons, they MUST reserve the right to do it, otherwise they can be putting themselves and others into a dangerous situation. Is it something that can be abused...sure. But so is EVERY power you grant a police officer. There is always room for abuse in that job...they get to walk around with guns you realize. There is potential for abuse in just about everything a cop can do...but for a very good reason.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Apr 3, 2012 -> 09:35 AM) I'm sure it's been discussed in depth, I'm trying to out-source some google work! How much does this job pay?

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Apr 3, 2012 -> 09:35 AM) No. They actually do things in excel besides addition and subtraction. iWork can do most of those advanced equations, if not all of them, not only addition and subtraction.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Apr 3, 2012 -> 09:24 AM) I basically agree....I do remember, however, that the 3G and the 3S were very minor upgrades as well, and then the 4 came and blew them both away...which is kind of what I was hoping the 5 would do to the 4 and 4S...but you're probably right...those days are probably over for awhile... An example that highlights upgrades that people don't care about, look at the AppleTV3. I have an AppleTV2. The only new features are a bump from 720p output to 1080p, and a slightly faster processor. I'm not going to upgrade to that, it doesn't really add much. While 720p to 1080p is nice, only videophiles care about it...can I see a difference, sure...but does it matter that much? No. The iPhone 5 needs to have a larger screen...I'd say 4.0 to 4.2" (up from the current 3.5"), and it could be a worthy upgrade. I'd prefer Apple NOT go the way of a lot of Android manufacturers and push to cartoonishly large screens that look absurd to me. I think for a phone, 4.0-4.2" is a sweet spot. Those newer androids with near 5" screens on them just look awkward unless you're a Sasquatch the size of BigSqwert.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Apr 3, 2012 -> 09:28 AM) They held a preliminary vote on Friday. It takes months to research and write the opinions and determine if they are going to write a separate dissent or concurrence. I'm asking what power the state has that the Federal government doesn't that justifies the mandate. State power is still governed by their own constitutions. You'd have to read or know that states constitution in order to answer this.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Apr 3, 2012 -> 09:27 AM) It does disturb me a bit, but more from a police procedure point of view. The prison search is done to EVERYONE, and I get that. but the police strip search, just to hold him, seems out of line to me. In that situation, the cops can and should use some judgment. They clearly are not strip searching everyone they arrest, that just doesn't happen. So it seems odd they chose this guy. Right, and from reading a single story on the situation, it seems way out of line to me...but we weren't actually there. I know police don't like strip searching people, and when they do it they usually have a pretty good reason for it. So, I have to wonder if anything was said/done to prompt it...which of course, we will never know.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Apr 3, 2012 -> 09:24 AM) But this guy who was arrested for an unpaid fine (incorrectly or not) can be strip-searched and it's not an unreasonable search. That's pretty terrible. It is what it is, unfortunately. Police cannot assume anything when a person is going into a lockup. I've never really seen nor heard of police (or a jail) taking it this far, however...but they can for various reasons, that while unsavory to you, exist for a reason.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Apr 3, 2012 -> 09:07 AM) He had a copy of the paid receipt in his glove compartment too I read. Not sure why he was even arrested in the first place. It was the fault of the state, etc...who knows. But on the computer it read he had an outstanding warrant. No cop in existence is going to say oh look, an obscure receipt, I guess I'll just ignore this warrant because it shouldn't exist. He can't assume to know that. The person in question should be pissed off at the state that never removed his warrant, not the cop that didn't believe some receipt...I mean, that's just ridiculous.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Apr 3, 2012 -> 09:13 AM) Thanks...I work in the utility industry and so we collect data upon data upon data...I never knew an industry could depend so much on Excel spreadsheets... I'd love to be able to ditch my Windows machines almost entirely, if Numbers really does work that well with Excel.. There is probably a trial you can download...and give it a shot. Unless you're using super advanced features of Excel, which most people don't use, I wouldn't see an issue...I've yet to have an issue opening any sort of Excel document in iWork, or for that matter, editing one. That said, I don't deal with spreadsheets full of advanced Microsoft Excel features...but basic algorithms or calculations, etc...

QUOTE (iamshack @ Apr 3, 2012 -> 09:10 AM) Very good points, but I still think there is a lot of expanding they can do with both the iPhones and the iPads...there are a lot of people that have been unable to purchase iPhones because their carrier did not have rights to it...with all the Sprint customers coming on board, as well as many Verizon users coming on board, my guess is there are still a lot of those appetites to satiate. New iPad sales have been strong, and I think they are still reaching a lot of customers for the first time that are satisfied as to its utility that will finally pull the trigger after sitting on the sideline during the release of the first two iPads. Then you'll start hitting people who bought the first iPad who choose to upgrade into the new iPad, etc... So in summation, I guess I am not sure it is quite over yet. But you are certainly correct that they need to move into some new markets and go back make some major upgrades to some of their other product lines if they wish to keep all this momentum going. I'm sure they have a few more quarters of solid growth ahead of them, but they're reaching a peak, not only in public perception, but in terms of coming out with "must have" upgrades. The iPad2 to the iPad3, for example, featured a major jump in resolution/screen performance...a worthy upgrade. A simple processor bump at this point isn't going to cut it anymore, and the technology as we know it is pushed to it's maximum. You can't bump resolution every year, or you'll drive developers crazy...and adding a slightly better camera isn't going to convince people to shell out hundreds of dollars to upgrade anymore. When the iPhone first arrived, and the few subsequent models that followed, they had an insane upgrade rate...but with the 4 to the 4s, that upgrade rate diminished greatly. What the 4s had was an introduction onto Sprint, and mostly, Verizon, which is what most Verizon users were waiting for, versus buying the 4 which was almost a year old already at the time it came to Verizon...but a lot of people didn't bother upgrading from a 4 to a 4s, and as a person that did, I wouldn't do it again.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Apr 3, 2012 -> 09:03 AM) My coworkers say no but I haven't tried it first hand. I have, and you're co-workers are either repeating nonsense they've heard elsewhere, or they're lying. iWork works fine using Excel documents.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 3, 2012 -> 09:04 AM) The 4S was only a moderate upgrade on the iPhone4, but it pushed Apple to their best quarter ever. That's what I mean...it's getting to the point of peak. I bought a 4S, so did many of my friends...and frankly, it wasn't worth it. So...there is a huge swath of people that will now need to see some major features in order to actually upgrade. The only reason I bought the 4S was because my wife's 3gs was on it's last leg, so I bought the 4s and gave her my old 4. While it pushed Apple to their best quarter ever, it also left a lot of people with a very, "meh" feeling from an expensive upgrade. Basically, they're going to have to show people something more if they want people to continue upgrading on a yearly cycle... That yearly upgrade cycle Apple has benefited from these past few years is coming to an end because the technology has grown to the point of being a desktop computer -- you don't need to replace it every year anymore -- as the newer models aren't adding much of anything.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Apr 3, 2012 -> 09:00 AM) What is your experience with iWork? We use a ton of Excel spreadsheets...does their spreadsheet program import and export from and to Excel well? I have iWork on my iMacs at home, and yes, it imports/exports them just fine. There are probably some super advanced features of Excel that 0.00000000001% of the world uses or knows exists that iWork won't be able to handle, but I've never seen anything that didn't work. Apple has some info on it here: http://www.apple.com/iwork/compatibility/

QUOTE (iamshack @ Apr 3, 2012 -> 08:59 AM) Yeah, I am seeing more and more users, even though much of the time I am around government or quasi-government employees (not exactly what you'd call "early adopters"). The two markets I see them expanding into within the next 5 years, schools and the corporate market, are going to push that stock price into 4 digits... It might...but I see Apple at a crossroads of sorts at this point...the yearly upgrade cycle is over now...people aren't so quick to trade up from older models anymore since it's to the point that their phones/tablets are like PC's now...newer models feature nothing more than minor spec bumps at this point...there isn't much more they can do with their screens/resolutions to make people say wow, I really need that. Now that they are beginning to enter the 'newer model is nothing more than a minor spec bump' era, their sales will begin to peak/slow. I think this is the year Apple will peak in those terms before people simply stop upgrading just to have the newer models that look nearly identical the older models, and don't really do much more. Apple has grown to the point that keeping that growth at the same rate it's at is going to become next to impossible, and in order to truly justify the stock price, their PE ratio has to keep stride...and it won't be able too, eventually.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Apr 3, 2012 -> 08:50 AM) I'm seeing a real increase of people in meetings using them (usually w/ the case with the integrated keyboard) even though our company purchases Dell laptops for employees. I have one, and I bring my iPad instead of the laptop almost everywhere I go, while the Dell sits underneath my desk and never gets used. I'm sure Apple has studied this extensively, but one would think if they would just strike a deal with Microsoft (who is honestly not much of a threat to them anymore) to preload iPads with an Apple version of Office, they would get a lot more corporate sales... I can tell you this, Apple is making great inroads to the corporate market with these...every executive in my company uses them now (Blue Cross Blue Shield). There mere mention of using an Apple product on our corporate network a few years ago was laughable...now it's all they want to use. They just use the Apple version of office, iWork for the iPad...it can read MS documents and write/save into that format, then email or dropbox them to each other quite easily. The thing they REALLY like about it is that we put Apple TV's in all the conference rooms, and they can wireless stream whatever is on their iPad screens to the projector, while remaining mobile (being able to walk around with the iPad)...they REALLY like that, especially because on their end, it requires NO configuration.

QUOTE (Brian @ Apr 3, 2012 -> 06:02 AM) Got the new iPad for an early b-day gift. Long car drive on Thursday to Arizona so it will come in handy. It's really nice. I had an iPad2 but rarely, if ever, used it...I basically bought it for reading and watching news, videos, music, etc...because I just don't care for the e-ink Kindle crap, as I want to be able to do more...but I never used it. I traded up to the iPad3 and I actually use it all the time now...the screen is just so crisp and clear that it's no longer a bother on my eyes to read.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Apr 2, 2012 -> 04:47 PM) Because it still took 60 votes and there was a decent number of blue-dog conservative Democrats. This is what I mean. When they "might" be able to pass it, the "blue dog" Democrats rise up and vote no...but when they have no chance at passing it, there are no "blue dogs" to be found. Just seems like part of the show, while us voters actually argue about it...they pretend to do so publicly, and laugh privately at 30,000$ per plate dinners...

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Apr 2, 2012 -> 04:37 PM) I don't care what it was meant to solve other than to stop giving companies making record profits tax subsidies. But the point was that the bill failed 51 YES - 47 NO. In all honesty, it makes me wonder why they waited to do these things...it's not like repealing these subsidies is a new idea...so why didn't they do it when they had huge majorities in both houses of Congress? Why'd they wait? I know this is the conspiracy theorist in me talking, but this is the exact type of behavior that makes me believe they don't actually want to pass these bills, but they want to put on a show to make us think they do.