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QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jul 17, 2012 -> 03:07 AM) Do you think the Sox will have a better chance to win a World Series in the next three years with Viciedo than they have at this very moment. If the answer is anything other than yes you can't keep him. Considering that besides Hamels I don't think there's a true ace on the market, then no I don't think trading him gives them a better chance at the WS.

When it boils down to it, the offense is going to have to pick it up and win this team some games (ie: Friday night). If the offense can score more than a run against Aaron Cook, I'm sure we see Thornton in the 8th. I'm interested to see what has to happen for Ventura to shake up the lineup, and I would bet nothing happens until next week.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jul 17, 2012 -> 03:00 AM) Probably. After this game, it's best to deal Viciedo for the rotation upgrade and Jones for pen help. Of course, you'd have to add sweetners, maybe even Quintana, but you have to do it at this point. Trading Viciedo for someone who's only a rental would be just a terrible idea. Look at the contracts being thrown around for Hamels and Greinke. 20 million dollars...yeah right, Sox won't be offering that.

QUOTE (mmmmmbeeer @ Jul 17, 2012 -> 02:57 AM) We're in first place with all those things that you mentioned...we've got a bullpen with 8 rookies and 1 vet, a patchwork starting rotation with 3 of our SP from April currently on the shelf......and we don't have organizational depth?!?!? How many teams could remain in first place given the injuries we've sustained. You guys kills me after losses. He said Quintana has been a savior, as he was someone that probably wasn't even in the top 10 of possible starters for the Sox coming into the year. Knowing his posting style, I think he meant to say it has been impressive with how they have managed to get by so far.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jul 17, 2012 -> 02:54 AM) The sky truly is falling with you whenever the Sox lose. You do know they will not win every game, right? I was actually saying how fortunate the Sox are that they did revisit the situation (something that I'm not so sure they would have done in the past). How can you not say that injuries have caught up to the pitching? Poor Axelrod has now pitched in 4 of our last 8 games, and you have a returning from injury Humber and a AA pitcher having to start the next two games. It's definitely survival mode for the pitching right now.

Hopefully Angels can get to Valverde so it's not one of those really bad results nights. Props to Axelrod for pitching a hell of a game.

QUOTE (daa84 @ Jul 17, 2012 -> 01:48 AM) No doubt about. Our lack of organizational depth has really hurt us this year as the pitching staff is as banged up as it has been in a long time. I can't remember the last time we had 2 starters miss as much time as danks and number, plus Floyd, sale and peach have all been skipped over for soreness. Add in that crain has been hurt and we just don't have the arms right now. Frankly pulling Quintana out of nowhere has been an enormous savior, and I guarantee the org didn't expect this from him I was thinking yesterday about what would have happened if Sale did get sent to the bullpen and that decision wasn't revisited. As you said, the injury situation has really caught up to the staff.

Did they ever say who's pitching Wednesday?

QUOTE (kapzk @ Jul 17, 2012 -> 02:44 AM) Thornton was shown warming up last inning ugh

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 17, 2012 -> 02:45 AM) We've had one major injury to our bullpen and cut our worst reliever. How far has it really gotten? Then how did it get to this point where it's Thornton, Reed or pray?

QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 17, 2012 -> 02:44 AM) I don't think Septimo sucks. He's just a rookie facing some tough ass lefties. He should remain on the roster. Jones should have entered the game at least a batter sooner it seems, but to some extent you have to let a guy go out there and pitch. If he fails, he fails. You are the most patient fan I've ever met. I give you a lot of credit for that.

QUOTE (kwolf68 @ Jul 17, 2012 -> 02:43 AM) Everyone is smart after the fact, hey? Probably about a dozen posters asking why Septimo over Thornton way before the AGon homer

Trumbo homer, 7-6 Tigers

Yay rookie bullpens

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 17, 2012 -> 02:41 AM) Who knows, his f***ing forearm could be tight. Hindsight is awesome and all but Septimo got squeezed and gave up a bomb to one of the best hitters in the game. It happens. We all said this is assuming Thornton is healthy

One thing we can all agree on is that KW needs to act now about the bullpen, as he can't sit around until the deadline and hope the inexperienced bullpen survive during a very tough stretch of games. Especially given the starting pitching injuries, the bullpen is going to be used a lot.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 17, 2012 -> 02:38 AM) Maybe the 9th if it was tied. Who knows, if he brought him out and he got hit around you would be all over that decision too. So you're saving Thornton for a 9th inning with all righties up? If the Red Sox had a lineup full of lefties, then I understand you saving him. However, the 8th inning was clearly the trouble inning, and you hate losing without your best option on the mound.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 17, 2012 -> 02:36 AM) How so? OUr last manager loses that series at KC for sure. The ump closing his strike zone didnt help there but I'm sure there is a reason he trotted out septimo instead of someone else. Seems like frustration at the scoreboard makes alot of opinions sway towards the overreaction zone. Terrible use of Axelrod in last game before the ASB, using the much slower Hudson to pr instead of Danks/Escobar, and the absolutely terrible decision of leaving Peavy in way too long on Saturday.

Tigers leading, Boesch is a beast for them now. Crappy last 5 minutes

Septimo and his awful control is a terrible match-up against the patient Red Sox hitters. This reminded me of Marte against the Red Sox in Game 3 of the ALDS.

QUOTE (Baron @ Jul 17, 2012 -> 02:35 AM) This is his first year. Give the man a break. Its not like the bullpen has a bunch of AAA players in it or anything. Again, is Thornton hurt? If not, it's ridiculous he wasn't used this inning.

QUOTE (kwolf68 @ Jul 17, 2012 -> 02:34 AM) Forget the fact this stinky pitcher didn't get it done? Just what was Ventura saving Thornton for? The bottom of the order with all righties?

QUOTE (Baron @ Jul 17, 2012 -> 02:33 AM) Kenny we need bullpen help! And bench coach help. You have Matt Thornton, you freaking use him there. Tigers tied it

QUOTE (southsideirish71 @ Jul 17, 2012 -> 02:33 AM) 8 rookie pitchers, and a rookie manager..... Ventura is either asleep, or lost right now. He's been unbelievably awful the last handful of games.

Nicely done Ventura...Go Angels