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QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Jun 21, 2008 -> 07:55 PM) Massett at least looking like he cares. Thank you Nick for saving the pen today. Well Javy likes big games and tomorrow will be the biggest of the season thus far for momentum purposes, gotta hope he brings his A game. If he throws like he did against Pittsburgh, we'll be seeing another one of today's games. Javy likes big games? That's a new one.

QUOTE (SoxFanForever @ Jun 21, 2008 -> 06:52 PM) History of injuries, hasn't pitched over 100 innings in over 5 years, his ERA+ for his career is below league average. Just a few thoughts as to why people might think he isn't going to be that good all year. As RockRaines and a few others were stating in the Cubs thread, Dempster's seemed to have found the "fountain of youth". Maybe it's the same magic that Soto and Gallagher (who went from throwing 91 mph last season to 95 mph this season) found. I'm always suspicious of older players that bounce back from surgeries and seem to have found a lot of success. It's also a reason that I think we'll see older players hit the wall more quickly in the past, as players that don't take performance enhancers will age like they're actually supposed to (case in point, Thome).

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 21, 2008 -> 06:51 PM) You can still hear the buzz in that stadium over the embarrassing inning. Must be horrid to be a Sox fan in Wrigley today, especially after we led early. Must feel like they got hit with a hammer in the head and now all the mocking. You couldn't pay me $1,000 to go to a game at Wrigley, no matter who they're playing.

QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Jun 21, 2008 -> 06:48 PM) Unforutanely, only one team in the NL can score with the Cubs and its the Phillies, and unfortuntely they can't pitch that well--starters wise. Cole Hamels dominates them, at least.

QUOTE (Frankensteiner @ Jun 21, 2008 -> 06:47 PM) Ryan Dempster is journeyman pitcher having the best season of his carreer at 30. Floyd and Danks were highly touted prospects. And you're sold more on Dempster than you are on the other 2, for whatever reason. The eye test for Dempster. His stuff is fantastic when I watch him. I'm very high on Danks also, FWIW.

QUOTE (Frankensteiner @ Jun 21, 2008 -> 07:44 PM) What's really scary is that our pitching is that our two supposed best pitchers are going down the crapper this month. Floyd has struggled only a little, and Buehrle's rebounded nicely, but the last thing I want is having the offense carry this team. Because they sure as hell can't do it. It's getting hot out...remember when our starting pitching never gave up homers?

QUOTE (kjshoe04 @ Jun 21, 2008 -> 07:42 PM) You're probably right on everything but the Cubs being damn good. They will never win in the playoffs with the pitching they have. Frankly, behind Zambrano it's weak. What more does Dempster have to do to get any credit on this board? He's been a top 10 starter in all of baseball this season. There's just as good of a chance of him keeping it up all season as Floyd or Danks.

Hopefully Owings can pitch a good game, as the DBacks have Webb going tomorrow against old buddy Livan. I honestly wonder if the Sox will still be in first after next weekend. The Dodgers have no hitting, but we won't be able to play homer or nothing at their park.

QUOTE (whitesoxfan99 @ Jun 21, 2008 -> 06:38 PM) Really so when a pitcher completely sucks it isn't on the manager to pull him before the game gets out of hand. Conteras was awful and didn't do his job. Neither did Ozzie. It's the usual who think Ozzie can do no right, and the usual who will never blame him for anything. In all honesty, we lose no matter what decision he makes in the 4th inning with Contreras. The Cubs are unbeatable at home with the wind blowing out. Hopefully it's blowing in tomorrow.

QUOTE (Frankensteiner @ Jun 21, 2008 -> 06:35 PM) We're not giving it away. We're getting our asses kicked. I am ok with this though because Contreras sucked and you can't do anything about it. But I will complain all day about a game like yesterday's where the team just kills itself with terrible hitting. I just wish people would STFU about telling me such a loss is ok. Yesterday's game was the biggest one this series (for us, at least). We face a pitcher tomorrow who matches up absolutely perfectly to dominate us. The Sox are a bad slider/splitter hitting team, and no one has a better one going than Dempster. It would be nice if we can make Marmol work today.

QUOTE (southsidesoxfan1983 @ Jun 21, 2008 -> 07:35 PM) the question is can our bullpen stop there offense Nope

QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Jun 21, 2008 -> 06:31 PM) This will be the worst baseball day in my life if the Twins win tonight. And i still have no idea how they are 2 games above .500. Why would it be the worst? We lost 5 of 6 to the Cubs last season, and life went on. We've played terrible on the road lately, and the Cubs have been amazing at home. Is this weekend really surprising so far?

QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jun 21, 2008 -> 06:31 PM) My inspiring posts will continue as long as your s*** posts do. You post nothing about the actual game, that's the problem so many people have. I wasn't even in the game thread yesterday, and really didn't complain at all afterwards (despite some terrible managing).

At least throw at Aramis next time he's up...then maybe Dempster will hit someone early on tomorrow night and we'll have a chance.

QUOTE (whitesoxfan99 @ Jun 21, 2008 -> 07:28 PM) There isn't a team in MLB that wouldn't have killed Contreras today. His forkball had no life and he couldn't locate anything It's been that way for 3 straight games. Isn't this around the time when he hit the wall in 2006?

QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jun 21, 2008 -> 07:28 PM) Why? Because it's against the Cubs? Another awesome post by you. I was waiting for your inspirational remarks. I would be saying this no matter who it was against.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 21, 2008 -> 07:27 PM) Blame Ozzie for this one? Pathetic. Usually when a pitcher allows 8 out of 9 batters to reach, it's a sign he was left in too long.

Just fire Ozzie now, this is absolutely inexcusable.

Good job Ozzie!

QUOTE (whitesoxfan99 @ Jun 21, 2008 -> 06:24 PM) Pull Danks after 85 pitches when he is absolutely dominating. Leave Contreras in when he clearly has nothing to get b**** slapped. You have a terrible in-game manager against one of the best in baseball....it's like we're playing 9 on 10 this weekend.

QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Jun 21, 2008 -> 07:23 PM) It's the fact its against the Cubs, a team I can't stand more than anyone else. I admit the Cubs are probably the best team in the majors with a ridiculous offense, but I live all around Cubs fans, and that's all that will be on the news. Cubs Cubs Cubs. I hate the Cubs more than anyone. If everyone on their team got hurt, I'd be laughing my ass off. However, Jose has sucked for a few weeks now, so this isn't surprising. He's given up like 30 hits in 15 innnings.

QUOTE (whitesoxbrian @ Jun 21, 2008 -> 07:21 PM) Get Massett up. I'm about to puke. But it's OK, this won't make or break our year. It won't...we're playing the best team in baseball who happens to be one of the best home teams in recent memory.

Ozzie leaving Jose into die. With the day off next week, manage with the same urgency you showed yesterday with Danks!

QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Jun 21, 2008 -> 07:20 PM) This sucks. Why against the Cubs of all teams? Because they have a great offense?

Jose's stuff has been really awful lately.