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QUOTE(JimH @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 01:53 AM) Would not have bothered me to sit him. They go against who tomorrow, Arroyo? He of the good curveball? Konerko should be out for Gload one of the two anyway. What's the concern about power, I thought the objective was to consistenly go the other way, in terms of hitting? Yes, but with the way we're playing, we're only scoring with the long ball. PK has swung the bat well lately, so he needs to be in the lineup.

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 01:53 AM) And if you hadn't noticed, so is the rest of the Centrals. But, how trivial is that? Indians schedule is not. It's extremely easy.

QUOTE(Frankensteiner @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 01:51 AM) I'm just thinking we're not that good. Our record against the good teams outside of the AL Central blows. I'm not ready to say that, because everytime I think that, we go on a nice stretch. However, this current offense is NOT GOOD. Do you think this offense strikes fear in the opposing team? I would love for the Sox to face teams with the Sox offense. All you have to do is throw a breaking pitch with 2 strikes, and you'll get them out.

QUOTE(Big Hurtin @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 01:51 AM) Haven't you heard? A 10+ game lead in July guarantees a playoff spot. Hell, when the lead was 13 games earlier in the week, I was saying that people were nuts for saying we had it locked. Our schedule is brutal the rest of the way.

QUOTE(JimH @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 01:50 AM) Agree with this as well, he should have been in there at 1B for Konerko, especially with Miller going tonite. Everett should have been in RF, and PK DH with Gload at 1b. We can't sit PK right now. He's our only consistent power threat with Dye out.

QUOTE(Soxfest @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 01:49 AM) AR is way at the top of the list to me 1 yr f***ing wonder Well, there's a pattern around the majors if you've noticed. Anyways, he's been playing better lately. Our SS is a huge f***ing liability right now.

QUOTE(JimH @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 01:47 AM) He drilled that pitch, get real. Yes, he hit that pitch hard. However, he didn't do anything good at the plate all game. If we weren't going to use Gload, then why the f*** did we call him up?

QUOTE(Ozzie Montana @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 01:48 AM) This s*** is getting really pathetic and annoying. We need a big shakeup. W should have won all three of these games. Just wait untill someone uses the best record reasoning. We've now lost 7 of our last 9 games at home.

QUOTE(Soxfest @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 01:47 AM) Manny cannot catch a ball against 99% of every other team f***ing great against Sox Manny made that play look a lot tougher than it was. He coasted back there. It wasn't as tough as it looked.

QUOTE(Cerbaho-WG @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 01:47 AM) Newsflash: Aaron Rowand is overated, more at 11. I could tell you a lot more overrated players on the Sox than Rowand.

QUOTE(maggsmaggs @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 01:45 AM) DP, god f***ing dammit. Why did Aaron swing at the first pitch? Wouldn't that require our hitters to have a plan at the plate?

We get the first two guys on base, and proceed to make 3 outs on 2 pitches. Get Timo out of the f***ing lineup Ozzie!

That was just f***ing awful right there. What type of swing was that by Rowand?

QUOTE(Soxfest @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 01:43 AM) We make Manny look like a gold glover christ It was good running by PK. No reason to get thrown out trying to get to 2nd, when that run means nothing.

QUOTE(JimH @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 01:42 AM) I will take it a step further, Miller gets credit for making some very good pitches. It's a given the Sox hitters did not do a good job when Miller made hittable pitches. The best pitch Miller made all game was the 1-2 pitch to Everett with the bases loaded.

QUOTE(CYGarland @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 01:42 AM) The guy did hit over .320 last year w/ quite a few clutch hits. I'd at least give him a chance If Ozzie liked him, he would have been up a while ago.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 01:42 AM) Pods, a dead pull hitter?? I wasn't shaking my head at that. If anything, I think Pods is better when he tries to pull the ball. Sometimes, he gets too cute at the plate, and just punches the ball right to the SS.

QUOTE(CYGarland @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 01:40 AM) This is absolutely pathetic. Full House, against the Bo Sox, on Wgn.................... I think it's safe to say we play alot better with less exposure So you're saying we're going to finish the year good

This game reminded me of those Indians games from last weekend where our pitchers weren't necessarily sharp, but the Indians kept getting themselves out.

QUOTE(JimH @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 01:36 AM) So, your position is, Wade Miller gets no credit, the blame lays entirely on the White Sox offense? Is that what you're saying? I'm taking the exact same approach with you as I did with the Neal Cotts-Manny Ramirez discussion the other nite in case you didn't notice. I believe you understand the game a lot better, and much of what's coming out is venting ... for which I do not blame you tonite. Miller gets the credit for not beating himself. He threw the strikes when he needed, and got bailed out by the Sox hitters. I'll say this: if he was facing the Yankees offense tonight with the stuff he had, he wouldn't have made it out of the 3rd inning. We should have had 5 runs by the time the 3rd inning was over. I know the Sox like to take the approach that there's no superstars in the offense....but we need someone that we can count on in this lineup to be able to have consistent ABs in crucial spots.

QUOTE(CYGarland @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 01:36 AM) Well we do have Gload, but it looks like he isn't going to get an ab this year! If we're counting on Gload to be a catalyst for our offense, we're in trouble. It should be pretty obvious he's not exactly a favorite of Ozzie's.

QUOTE(JimH @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 01:34 AM) I do not disagree with you at all. I'd love to see a bat brought in, a guy who takes a ton of pitches, makes the other guy work, draws walks, goes the other way, etc. and can play multiple positions. I have been beating the Ryan Freel drum for a while but now that they've traded Randa, the chances of the Reds trading Freel are slim IMO. Freel isn't likely to get traded. I'm not sure teams fully trust him off the field. I'm not sure how getting another grinder will help this team. We need some production in this offense.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 01:34 AM) Or he's just having a bad game. He's been struggling for a while. As much as I like how Everett has played this year, his swing is getting too long again.

QUOTE(maggsmaggs @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 01:33 AM) Unfortunately there is no position except SS we can upgrade at. No good 3b on the market and that's all we could add. Crede isn't going anywhere. With Frank out, I'm all for trying to pick up another DH. Everett is such a streaky hitter, and if he starts to tank, we can't keep playing him like we had to do earlier in the year.

QUOTE(JimH @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 01:32 AM) I completely agree. Bad job by the White Sox in the 3rd inning and I'm sure there are other examples. Now let's discuss all those other pitches Miller threw tonite. Lets see: - Sox ran themselves out of the first inning - Juan Urine has had some terrible ABs - Sox gave Miller the first out in the 3rd inning because we bunted when we were down 2, and only had one runner on base (I hate smallball at the Cell!). - More than 10 pitches where the Sox hitters weakly fouled off pitches right down the plate. - Timo Perez swinging at everything thrown his way, and trying to pull a 2-1 fastball weakly to 2nd base.