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If we had given up I think we might have seen a younger guy, or at least someone new, called up. It seems the plan for the season call ups include Heath, Veal and Omogrosso

I will still be cheering for the Sox on Sunday as they take on KC at 1:00 PM CDT over WGN. See you all behind the big screen

Konerko

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 20, 2013 -> 09:47 PM) If the Sox don't spend money on a big name free agent, they'll be looking at a payroll next year in the range of $90 million (assuming Thornton's option isn't picked up). $75 million if someone like Peavy is moved. I understand that. Are you thinking Konerko and Dunn are gone? Thornton I can certainly see as a possibility. He was a true success story for the Sox tahnks to Cooper, but I think his velocity is down and that makes hm just so-so. Peavy? Maybe but the Sox need the ole bulldog to keep the boys revved up

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 20, 2013 -> 09:44 PM) Alright, you're just acting now. Ain't nobody on earth really this rah, rah, rah, it can happen, don't ever give up, etc. Stop it. No I am not acting. I am a stubborn competitor and I don't like to give up that's all

QUOTE (flavum @ Jun 20, 2013 -> 09:35 PM) Heath sent down. Move tomorrow. Expecting Omogrosso. Apparently there isn't much to choose from in the minors if we just keep rotating the same folks who don't perform

QUOTE (flavum @ Jun 20, 2013 -> 09:40 PM) It'll be 4:20 in 40 minutes. I don't smoke dope

QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Jun 20, 2013 -> 09:37 PM) Caulfield. A 25-3 July. ;-) You still have July-August and September to play. Don't give up the ship some Army guy said one time

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 20, 2013 -> 09:37 PM) For this season, what do you consider a "Sox comeback"? We turn this thing around an make a determined run for the division. I stil think we have the team to compete

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 20, 2013 -> 08:44 PM) I think when stuff starts going down around the trade deadline, C will probably be one of the positions they make a move at. If it were me in that chair I'd want Phegley to get a look at big league pitching with more than an occasional at bat before next year, to help decide whether to give him the position or spend money there. Especially since McCann's availab.e. I can't disagree with your reasoning but I don't expect the Sox to spend money on the bigger name free agents

Another poor performance from Danks. But, I don't think we wll see consistency from him as a solid starter until either late in this season or even next year. It takes awhile to come back strong from shoulder surgery. One a good note though for today Konerko and Dunn homered. Good to see that. I am looking forward to a Sox comeback

Dunn

Just checked in to see what's up. Business as (un) usual I see. Check back later

QUOTE (Jake @ Jun 19, 2013 -> 09:07 PM) Dunn in June - 21.4% K rate. Season - 31.7%, lowest pace as a White Sox I noticed fewer K's and more contact. Nice to get him over .200 anyway

Viciedo

QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Jun 19, 2013 -> 04:30 PM) Relievers are volatile, but you can't just compare someone like Crain with every other reliever in baseball. Crain has appeared in 527 games & pitched 527 innings, and looking at his peripherals he's never had what you'd really call a horrible season. I think a big part of the volatility of relievers is 1) the injury factor and 2) the fact that most of these guys seem to be 2-pitch power armed pitchers, usually fastball-slider it seems, who really don't have much of chance at long bouts of consistency given the difficulty of having to locate a nasty slider (or whatever else) with regularity to keep the opposition from sitting on the fastball. Crain OTOH has been pretty durable & he certaintly isn't a 2-pitch pitcher. I think he's one of the safer bets out there as far as relievers go, so I don't think it's fair to categorize him with everyone else. Maybe you put him in there with RP who have appeared in at least 250/300+ games and gone for 250/300+ IP. With that said, Crain's having a career year & will likely make himself not only a closer option in the offseason, but maybe a mid-tier one in price as well. But I think if you can trade him for something pretty nice, and then turn around and trade Reed for something really nice, then you think about signing a closer (like Crain) over the offseason, basically using the money you're giving your closer to buy the prospects/young MLB players you get out of Reed. I expect that this sort of thing is going to occur a LOT under the new CBA so I hope the Sox start doing it themselves. I'd only go 3 years tops on any closer though, and I'd much rather pay a little more per year to get a 2 year deal with a team option for a third with a buyout, because then you're potentially positioning yourself to only ask & pay for one good year, then you're looking at trading a guy in the last year of his deal over the following offseason. So what you are telling me is that when they do good we dump them?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 18, 2013 -> 03:14 PM) That's exactly what is likely to happen...but keep in mind, at least 2 relievers are free agents at the end of this year and we have 6 MLB-level starters right now with a 7th on the way. There are guys, particularly from the pitching staff, who absolutely must be moved. They're useless to us this year if we're 10 games under .500 in June/July and not in a position to compete in September. Some of these guys have to go. Keep Crain, Jones and Reed. Thornton might be in line to go as I think a minus for him is his drop in K's and I am guessing velocity. A starting pitcher might go but we need a left reliever so is that santiago or someone else? Keep Rios. Maybe Dunn unless we can get a good return for him. I think PK might be ready to either retire or be traded. They did it to the Big Hurt so PK is not exempt as much as I like him

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jun 18, 2013 -> 02:10 PM) There are no long term answers anywhere in the lineup right now, and the system is still pretty weak. For Crain, you just take the best offer you get. If this is the case I would argue that we keep Crain and sign him for a couple more years. He Jones and Reed, if we believe Addison is the answer to our closer need, can really solidfy that 7-8-9th inning close out of games.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 19, 2013 -> 01:40 PM) But I thought people wanted Nate Jones DFA'd and replaced by him? Don't confuse folks who can't remember from one play or at bat or pitch to the next let alone game to game If we have such a dearth of talent in the minors why would you trade good relievers and then rely on those who aren't so good? In my opinion Troncoso showed in the game last night why we have a problem. He made a good pitch to Mauer and got beat with the single to left. He then got two strikes on the third out and couldn't make the pitch he needed to make. Just can't put the guy away and consequently we lose again

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Jun 19, 2013 -> 04:04 AM) 11 hits so far and may still lose. We gave it back

Sox didn't give up and now we have the tie

Unless the pen is depleted I think Ventura went too long with Axelrod

QUOTE (mike89128 @ Jun 19, 2013 -> 01:12 AM) Was he sober when he said that? I think Hahn got it right

Dunn must have hit that pitch on the nose to line out to CF? Konerko also goes after first pitch and singles to CF. He has three hits tonite. Good going

So far one bad inning again. Hope we can keep scratching our way back