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worthless. But I still dont think Steltz will start

You know if we were winning or this led to a winning streak, 99.9 percent of this board would be happy about this keeping the clubhouse loose. Maybe then it would make the MLB page on ESPN.

QUOTE (Texsox @ May 6, 2008 -> 03:31 PM) It was fun. Grown men needed to place bats up dolls rectums; knowing it could and probably would be reported. Sox fans defend the action. A proud day to be a Sox fan Your movement for respect to all blowup dolls everywhere is commendable sir. Are you this sensitive at home? TV must kill you.

Honestly, if they dont hit tonight, I wanna see heads roll, just to see if it helps.

QUOTE (Texsox @ May 6, 2008 -> 03:42 PM) OK. I guess sodomy with latex dolls is in Seriously, are you ok? You have contributed to about 6 pages of this thread saying the same thing over and over and over. We get it, you didnt like it, it personally insulted you, a majority of people dont agree with your view.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ May 6, 2008 -> 12:50 PM) Definitely true. Most everyone who wears a badge and carries a gun experiences some psychological changes. Those changes are not consistent of course - it effects different people in different ways, and to varying extents. Yup, 100%. In this particular case, I can see how Ced's side of the story could be somewhat true, but we probably will never know unless someone got it on their camera phone. In the meantime I was looking for that tape where the kid had a hidden camera in his car and was pulled over and found this gem.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ May 6, 2008 -> 01:50 PM) Not making the playoffs 87.5% of the time with a substantial payroll is failure for a GM in my book. Another season like last year's and attendance will be way down again. Look at my Motorola analogy. Hell, the timeline even matches with KW's success (BIG peak in 2005, crap and losing market share since). He did great for 2005, but you can't ride on that success forever. No, because you Motorola analogy is so simplistic compared to what actually happened within that company its not worth expanding upon. And the team should have probably made the playoffs a few more times in his tenure, and that probably will be his downfall, but I think many people on here forget how awful other GM's can be. And FWIW, I hope attendance keeps going down, I love when the park is empty.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ May 6, 2008 -> 12:13 PM) Its patently ridiculous to say that any group of people are assholes 99.9% of the time. That aside, of course there are asshole cops. No surprise there. But even the assholes usually try to create a reason to act. They don't just randomly, in the midst of "polite" conversation, hose people down with OC spray. I find that idea very hard to believe. There are pieces of the story missing. And CCSD is certainly not a department I'd go trying to defend, BTW. I am not at all surprised that your interactions have at times been less than stellar. Maybe they arent, but there is a well documented psychological study completed at Stanford University conducted by Dr Philip Zimbardo which showed how even the most well adjusted educated calm individuals can turn into violent, power-tripping evil people when given a sense or a role of authority. Its not unlike the attitude changes that take place within many individuals in law enforcement.

QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ May 6, 2008 -> 11:02 AM) If I work somewhere for 7 years (soon to be 8), and fail at my job every year but 1, I'd sure as hell hope somebody would be smart enough to fire me. People just don't seen to get that Kenny's great success one year doesn't overshadow his failures in every single other year. You can't give yourself a lifetime of immunity with a World Championship, especially when your team is getting WORSE every year after winning it. I'd wait until the end of the season to be perfectly honest, but if we end up around .500 or worse and miss the playoffs again, with an old roster and no farm system, Kenny has to go. He won't sadly, but he should. If not winning the world series is failure, then what is the equal for your job? Not doubling your revenue? Not inventing a new product that outsells all competitors? Kenny did a good job this offseason, he may get close to the ax because the players arent performing the way they should and the way everyone was celebrating before this slump, but he still made some great decisions.

QUOTE (Felix @ May 6, 2008 -> 01:36 PM) I realize some people find this sort of thing offensive, but its a locker room. What do you expect to be in a locker room? Despite the claims of some, locker rooms are not the standard work place. There are different rules for locker rooms than there are for offices, so I don't see why they should be held to the same standards. They arent even close to the same thing, which is why making a big deal out of this is ridiculous and is an obvious outlet for the frustration of losing. Clubhouses and locker rooms do many things that arent even close to what are acceptable in a working environment, thats because they ARENT THE SAME THING.

QUOTE (YASNY @ May 6, 2008 -> 01:28 PM) The work place. The place you report to on a daily basis to make your living. When you work for a company, you are always a representative of said company. In today's environment, in most cases, if you do something to publically embarrass your company you will lose your job unless your in a union of something. Even then, you will have a tough row to hoe. If you are the average working man, in almost all cases you'll be booted out on ass. I realize these guys aren't your average working man. But people, if you think you can pull a stunt like this on your job and get away with, for the most part you'll be seriously shocked upon your dismissal. The players won't be 'fired' because they can hit major league pitching (I know, arguable at best) or they can get out ML hitters. But, they still have to deal with public perception and they are under a microscope compared to average working guy. They really should have known better. The entire team is being scutinized because of the actions of a few. If these reports are going to report on what happens in the clubhouse, then do it. Who did what? Why should Jim Thome have to be thrown under the bus when Nick Swisher did this? (hypothetically speaking on the players names for the case of making the point) Wrong is wrong regardless of the circumstances under which the wrong occured. You people need to stop thinking of a baseball clubhouse as a business. You can look at their actions off the field, their professionalism in certain instances, but this is not a case where you can draw a comparison. Baseball is a kids game, they have several behavioral tendencies that wouldnt fly in a corporate environment, but it doesnt matter because its a baseball clubhouse. Look at their actions on the field, phyical harm, arguing, tobacco, hazing, drinking during celebration, swearing, breaking bats, none of that would fly in a board room, but its ok becasue they are not nearly the same circumstances. I understand your frustration with the team but you and a few others are blowing this WAAAAY out of proportion, by equating it with sexism, sexual crimes and now saying that the public perception of the team has been harmed. I bet if you surveyed 100 people outside right now, maybe 2 have heard of the incident and probably neither care.

QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ May 6, 2008 -> 06:52 AM) So i'm looking into buying a GPS for my car and i'd like to get a good one with a good amount of features (ie bluetooth). I'm willing to spend up to about $500 or maybe a little more. Does anyone have one they'd recommend or know whats considered one of the better ones? I've read some reviews online at circuit city already but any help from you guys would be appreciated. Thanks. Not getting a portable one. But if you do, take it with you out of your car, they are stolen in min here in chicago.

So as not to offend anyone-equal opportunity slump buster

QUOTE (lostfan @ May 6, 2008 -> 10:46 AM) If I asked my parents for something like that my mom would probably laugh out loud. And if she thought I really wanted it I think she'd get it too. Only after letting me have it for being a perv though. That's just her sense of humor. BTW just me saying that isn't an endorsement of this or taking a position one way or another. Just make sure there is some lube involved, there are some sharp edges on those things..........

QUOTE (shipps @ May 6, 2008 -> 10:44 AM) He might of thought the burgers were a part of your arsenal of weapons. They claimed they saw my holding something shiny, ugh yeah I was busy flipping some incredible jalapeno burgers.

QUOTE (Hawkfan @ May 6, 2008 -> 09:43 AM) Greatest slumpbuster ever, nick swisher is a man of innovation Better than f***ing a fat chick, although since they didnt break out of the slump, you know what one of them has to do.

I was physically assaulted by a police officer in college because I was holding a spatula. He didnt even notice that I was using it to turn over some burgers.

Well, this b**** fest is enough for me, have it at folks. Im out to go protest Hooters and their sexist presentation of delicious wings.

QUOTE (Texsox @ May 6, 2008 -> 10:38 AM) Are you suggesting that a business can declare themselves exempt from laws? Laws are written that specifically exempt certain companies from specific laws, but it doesn't work in reverse. Companies cannot declare themselves above the law. Now you've just gone off the deep end. Its a baseball team for s*** sakes.

QUOTE (YASNY @ May 6, 2008 -> 10:36 AM) Ok. I stand corrected. I'm convinced. There is nothing offensive about blow up dolls. In fact, I'm going to get offline and head over to visit my parents. I think I'll ask my mother for one for my birthday. Thanks for the enlightenment, guys. You've really opened my eyes. Dont even try to convince us you havent owned one already Yas

QUOTE (Pants Rowland @ May 6, 2008 -> 10:36 AM) Like I said, while I am not 100% for dumping Uribe, I will understand if it happens. My issue is with Ozuna filling a roster spot. If you only have 4-5 guys to substitute and one has to be a catcher, you hurt yourself by giving one of the remaining spots to someone as useless as Pablo. He sucks as bad, if not worse than Uribe. Its clear Pablo isnt the player he was at one point and he's on the wrong side of 30. I would also rather have a younger guy fill that role, and had mentioned it during ST.

QUOTE (YASNY @ May 6, 2008 -> 10:31 AM) Do you not comprehend the part where I noted the differences between the two events? And when did blow up dolls in a ML locker room become "typical"? When was the blowup doll invented? Probably sometime around then. Did you think the guys just magically were the first to come up with an idea like that? Guys had been playing worse pranks on each other and other teams since the 1920's. Nobody was hurt, the team had a laugh, situation over. No lawsuits, no injuries, no positive drug tests.

Did I ever tell you guys the time when I was in our annual sales summit and I hot-footed my VP of sales. Boy did we have a laugh, it really broke us out of our slump.

QUOTE (YASNY @ May 6, 2008 -> 10:26 AM) What they have in common is embarrassment to the organizaion and their fans. I noted the difference in the events, just like I noticed the difference between this and the Theriot analogy. Why was that brought up? Why wasn't that questioned the same way you question me on this. Certain things are more acceptable than others. Sexual assault on a boat=typical clubhouse antics Ah yes, I see the similarity

QUOTE (Flash Tizzle @ May 6, 2008 -> 10:24 AM) You still seem to have this idea that a baseball clubhouse is a common workplace, and what happens within your typical office should apply to MLB. Thats probably why I got canned when I decided to Zambrano my balls during my last powerpoint presentation.