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QUOTE(Hideaway Lights @ May 31, 2005 -> 02:00 PM) Honestly what bothers me more is people just saying "board blows today guys" and "this topic sucks". It's just dumb, junior high school behavior, but it's par for the course on the internet I suppose. I usually ignore topics I find aren't good and try to discuss things that I think are worthwhile topics. Well you could've read farther and saw that the topic was actually a way to reflect upon the game yesterday in a positive way, but thats too much work. But hey, if this is YOUR way of venting more power to ya. Welcome to soxtalk

QUOTE(Frankensteiner @ May 31, 2005 -> 01:56 PM) You know, I think the "defense" drum for Crede's rag-ass has been beaten to death. To me, he's an OK defensive player but has far less ability than some of his supporters would suggest. One thing I should add though is I consider 3B to be an offensive position (with the other infield and outfield corner spots). Therefore, I would like to see more than just some decent defense. Point well taken, on some teams 3B is a very offensive position, but also on some teams, offensive catchers are a rare thing, but on the sox its not. Having a position be a usual place for a big bat makes sense at 1B and some corner OF, but I would go to say that the IF positions are hit and miss. Some have SS that have huge bats, some even have the 2B. I agree that it would be nice to improve any position on the sox, I just dont see this one happening. I for one, would be glad to see the team improve, as would anybody who is a die hard fan.

QUOTE(Hideaway Lights @ May 31, 2005 -> 01:54 PM) Take the profanity out of what I said and read it again "You topic elitists crack me up. It's an internet bulletin board. Grow up." What the hell about that is a personal attack? Yeah, I was pissed. I had put up a couple of topics myself today and I think saying things like "topic sucks" and "board blows, guys" are not only along the same lines as what I said, they are just flat out asenine things to say that add nothing to the discussion and don't make the board any better for anyone. There, I found it. I actually did have a purpose to my topic, as I had some positive reflection from the game yesterday while I was the the Cell watching it. Just wanted to reflect upon the game in a positive way. If you have any questions PM me, and we can discuss, thanks

QUOTE(Hideaway Lights @ May 31, 2005 -> 01:44 PM) I'll ask the rest of the board. Indirect attacks are okay....as long as you thoroughly slam content and never the boarder? The moment I say "someone" sucks for saying something and not "something" sucks that's said BY someone...that's when I can look forward to a banning? Did I bash your topic somewhere and you are mad about it? Do you need a hug?

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ May 31, 2005 -> 01:46 PM) Randa's a .280ish hitter while Joe is a .240-.250ish hitter. That's not a HUGE jump especially when team chemistry and defense are taken into account. I'm a big Joe Randa fan but Kenny is going to look for a big upgrade not just Joe Randa. I bet KW has looked in that direction, but assumed there was a better option elsewhere. Where are the Polanco lovers who would rather have PP??

QUOTE(Jabroni @ May 31, 2005 -> 01:43 PM) Not a huge jump offensively? Are you nuts? Joe Crede (2005 stats) 160 AB .225 AVG .285 OBP .350 SLG .635 OPS 4 HR 17 RBI 10 BB 25 SO Joe Randa (2005 stats) 165 AB .291 AVG .369 OBP .461 SLG .830 OPS 5 HR 27 RBI 20 BB 26 SO That IS a huge jump. It looks to me like he's hurt, no Hr's this month rouhly100 point drop off for OBP SLG, and 180 from OPS and only 3 walks this month vs 14 in April. He's also listed as doubtful for next game. He is, however, great in the last three months of the year pretty consistantly.

QUOTE(JimH @ May 31, 2005 -> 01:42 PM) It doesn't matter what anyone on this board wants or thinks is right. The earliest KW has made a big deal is late June. They both want to show faith in their players, they're doing that. But don't think for a second they aren't concerned about the underachieving offense, they are. Especially after yesterday. You bet KW has been on the phone with someone feeling out their interest in dealing. KW always is looking for improvements, and this year, the offense is going to command any successful GM's attention. With our minor league system gaining back some serious prospects, im sure lots of teams would like their hands on them. I think this year we not only have a good team on the field, but LOTS of bargaining chips in our system. I hope we push to make this THE year.

QUOTE(JimH @ May 31, 2005 -> 01:35 PM) Where did I say he wouldn't make a trade? The Garcia trade was late June, was it not? This is late May. He traded for a #2 solid pitcher and locked him up for 3 years shortly thereafter. Gigantic difference from a Joe Randa. Freddy would have commanded millions in the offseason that year too if KW hadnt made that great trade and sign. Its different from Randa who didnt really have an suitors and got a one year deal.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ May 31, 2005 -> 01:27 PM) Check out our record for the last few weeks and tell me how the offense is working out? We are barely in first. One man doesnt make an offense when so many are struggling. Sounds like adding Joe Randa wouldnt help us out much then huh? Frank is the best hitter to ever put on a White Sox uniform. His OBP is still stellar and he will get hits. If you think that adding him wont help our lineup then you are blinded by your rage. I agree, Konerko is an automatic double play, but as you said before, established offensive players will recover, and he was on a mini tear there for a while. We need to get used to the fact that we have some of the streakiest hitters on our team. How many people on this board were raving about Crede reaching his potential when he was on a tear when the season opened, now the same people are wanting to trade him. Dye was worthless until a few weeks ago, Uribe still cant hit s***. The question is, can they get it done when it matters? Our record speaks for that right now, and I think KW will do something to improve it if it needs be.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ May 31, 2005 -> 01:21 PM) Sure lets just stick with the same lineup and offense that barely gets a few runs and hope and pray that the pitching keeps lights out. Nothing like putting that much pressure on the pitching staff, its not like pitching your ass out only to have your team score 2-3-4 runs a game in the AL will do anything to mess up chemistry. Lets stick our heads in the sand and stick with the same formula and maybe it works out. It seems to be working nicely right now. If you can consistently score 4 runs a game and hold the opponent under that, you will win, simple as that. If this was a dire situation I could understand how furious you are at the offense, but fact is, we are still in first, have the best record in the MLB, and just got our best hitter back.

QUOTE(Jabroni @ May 31, 2005 -> 01:19 PM) The Reds just signed Randa to a 1-year, $2.15 million deal. There is no option. He would be the perfect trade target at or before the deadline because we would only owe him around $1 million then. If we need him for another season because Josh Fields isn't ready, we could just re-sign him to another cheap 1-year deal. That's a good observation then, I was under the impression it was a two-year deal. But dealing a starter for a one-year rental doesnt sound like something KW would do....

QUOTE(JuiceCruz16 @ May 31, 2005 -> 12:56 PM) I was at the game and Frank's seemed louder to me, during the Thunder-struck intro. They were both pretty loud in my opinion. I was sitting in my seats on the first base side and they were both huge roars.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ May 31, 2005 -> 01:10 PM) Do people forget that at the end of last year the sox were really getting frustrated with Crede and his stubborness to change. He has the same swing. For all the batting cage time, new resting the bat on the shoulder, voodoo tricks he still flys open early and cant hit the low and away pitch. Maybe h can hit, but obviously its not here. Boras is his agent. If Crede hits 20+ homers what do you think Boras in crazy land will think his value is. Arbitration will be fun. I think many GM's would rather be going to the dentist that Arbitration with that asshole.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ May 31, 2005 -> 06:12 AM) So this is the guy we are depending on to save the team? He can't even run "too fast" without getting hurt? Great. That makes me feel much better. Hes just about the best bat out there to add at this point in the season. Best hitter to ever play in chicago and a godly OBP. I think it might work out.

QUOTE(tonyho7476 @ May 31, 2005 -> 01:07 PM) Grinder ball? Its more like 'Run it into the Ground' ball! grounder ball?

QUOTE(fathom @ May 31, 2005 -> 01:03 PM) Even though I disagree with you, that was a very good post. I agree that no moves will be made for a while, no matter how bad Crede looks right now. I feel like if we are in this same position closer to the deadline, KW will make a big move, even if it gives up some of our top prospects (please not Anderson) to really improve our weak spots. I will say it again, im not totally against getting rid of our holes, I just dont think this will happen.

Jim

QUOTE(Kalapse @ May 31, 2005 -> 12:58 PM) I hated the Arow commercial when it first came out too, however it has grown on me. The Devil is so f***ing annoying, stupid and hokey that it has now become funny. ROWAND YOU'RE MINE! I hate the devil, but i like the end where they leave him on the ground after he catches it.

QUOTE(Jabroni @ May 31, 2005 -> 12:58 PM) At this point, I would bring up Greg Norton if he didn't suck so bad defensively at 3rd base. hahaha, hes flat out killing it at Charlotte

QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ May 31, 2005 -> 12:57 PM) If you ain't getting Chavez, don't bother. I would really kill for that trade. Better hitting and fielding. Nice combo

Add yesterday to mine, im now 6-1

QUOTE(fathom @ May 31, 2005 -> 12:51 PM) I hate the win or die trying slogan with a passion. not as much as I hate A-rows commercial with that stupid devil.

QUOTE(qwerty @ May 31, 2005 -> 12:52 PM) wow, thats really making Randa look like a much better option than previously thought. *turns around* *kicks a rock* *walks away*

QUOTE(fathom @ May 31, 2005 -> 12:50 PM) Do some of you people really want to see Crede here for another year and a half? nope. I wanted him gone after this year. Just dont think the Randa thing is gonna happen.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ May 31, 2005 -> 12:48 PM) Holy s***, what did I miss? when did this all happen??