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QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Sep 19, 2011 -> 05:20 PM) Looks like it's you, Victory, greg, elrockin, Melissa, and Soil against the world. Good luck with that group. i dont understand why everyone cant have their own opinoin. we think ozzie isnt the biggest problem others do. so what? everyone is entitled to their own opinion. but since its not what you guys think, we're idiots.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 19, 2011 -> 12:44 PM) I can't take it anymore. I'm personally holding melissa, greg and elrockin responsible for my impending suicide. this ozzie drama is driving me nuts too, cant wait till its over. as long as cora isnt the manager though

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Sep 19, 2011 -> 12:36 PM) My goodness. It's like talking to a 4th grader. He didn't have to bench Dunn right away. He should have benched Dunn in July or at least in August when Kenny finally told him it was ok to do so. Why is this so difficult to understand? fine youre right he should have. bring on next year and the new coaching staff

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Sep 19, 2011 -> 12:32 PM) So, now it's not Kenny's fault. Ozzie is just doing it because that's what the rest of the league does? so ozzie is stupid for playing them so what about all the other teams? ok so some people say dunn sucks becuase he played for ozzie. but ozzie played him everyday. if ozzie benched him right away wouldnt dunn dislike him? i dont understand

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Sep 19, 2011 -> 12:30 PM) Exactly. Ozzie Guillen played him for some reason. But don't worry, Melissa is here to tell us that it was Kenny Williams. who knows

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Sep 19, 2011 -> 12:28 PM) But you kept implying that what Kenny stated publicly was not true. I don't see how that could be the case given everything we know. If there was a different message behind closed doors, we all know the Guillen family would get it out via twitter or Joe Cowley. ok maybe not that he was lying but simply that i see around mlb that there are plenty of other teams that have bad players(not to the extreme of dunn obviously)with bad contracts and they play them too

QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Sep 19, 2011 -> 12:25 PM) Please link to where this was stated by anyone on this board some of the earlier pages in this thread, they were saying how players do bad when playing for ozzie , like dunn, javy, swisher, rios,etc. and i just said i dont think players underperform becuase they are playing for him.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Sep 19, 2011 -> 12:24 PM) Let me put it this way. Given that Ozzie and his son have been very vocal in the past about just about everything, why would they both be silent when you're implying that Kenny is making him play Dunn and Rios even though KW publicly told him not to? you really think these 2 would stay silent? Wouldn't you assume at least Oney would send a tweet out there saying something like "Kenny didn't real mean it when he said to play the best players regardless of salaries. He is trying to make Ozzie look bad." How does Ozzie benefit by not letting it be known that Kenny is lying to the public? i said there has to be something behind it. obviously everyone knows dunn is terrible and should rot on the bench. but he played him for some reason, a reason that isnt that hes so stupid and doesnt know dunn is bad. why? i dont know

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Sep 19, 2011 -> 12:17 PM) Yes, but you're still willing to make up your own theories and then preach and believe them as though they're true. And then you act as though others aren't as wise as you by saying that you find it "funny" that they believe what is told to us by the GM and reporters. And then, when you're confronted with the scenario that you yourself put forward and its inherent ridiculousness, you back off and change the subject entirely. yea just how everyone made up their own theory that every player sucks under ozzie and thats why we lost the divison

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Sep 19, 2011 -> 12:17 PM) Have you even followed this team at all during the Guillen era? Several people asked whether you truly believe Ozzie or his loud-mouthed son would really be quiet if Kenny said one thing publicly and dictated something else behind closed doors. Your response to that is 'we dont know what actually goes on behind the scenes'? That's about as ignorant and naive as you can get. no i just started watching this month ... so ozzie just played dunn because he thought he was good? obviously for some reason we dont know

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Sep 19, 2011 -> 12:11 PM) Why bother? Certain people can't deal with facts. lol someone said dunn sucked because he played for ozzie this year. yea becuase thats a "fact"

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Sep 19, 2011 -> 12:09 PM) Again, avoiding the point of the post. i already said, we dont know what actually goes on behind the scenes.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Sep 19, 2011 -> 12:08 PM) You're saying you don't buy into what they say publicly, but at the same exact time, you're willing to make up an absurdly outlandish scenario that would cause KW to be the bad guy and Guillen to be the victim. everyone acts like i defend ozzie no matter what. im not. like i said a million times, in my opinion , the sox dont win this division becuase of him nor did they lose it becuase of him.thats it. i actually want ozzie gone just so people can see that when the sox are bad next year, its not going to be because of ozzie

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Sep 19, 2011 -> 12:07 PM) I had to go back and reread this post. Past the prepubescent text message grammar, what were you even trying to say? I asked specifically about the scenario of KW "forcing" Guillen to play guys while also keeping quiet about it, and this was your response. What? yea becuase it matters sooo much if someone posts "u" or "you" ? laughing out loud*

QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Sep 19, 2011 -> 12:05 PM) It's funnier that there are several people on this board that honestly believe Ozzie was strictly told to play the highest paid players no matter what. and its funny how people believe that kw basically said u can sit dunn and rios the rest of the year if u want lol i wonder why every other team that has bad contracts, why they play them everyday too

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Sep 19, 2011 -> 12:04 PM) So, you're just going to completely change the subject. Cool. no, were talking about ozzie right? im just saying i dont buy into anything i read or what people think. we dont know what goes on, we dont work there! jeeze, i wish i could be an idot making 2 million dollars lol

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Sep 19, 2011 -> 12:01 PM) Exactly, all we have to go on is the public stuff. You might think it's funny that people go on that, but what's even funnier is you making up complete bulls*** in order to justify your love of Ozzie Guillen. Then go and read what iwritecode just said. That seems to be what you're saying happened. Do you seriously think for one single f***ing second that Ozzie Guillen would willfully do exactly what KW says and not make mention of it himself in public, despite KW obviously (in this ridiculous scenario) attempting to make Guillen look like the bad guy? You can't possibly think that. That would mean that Guillen is either incredibly, incredibly stupid as to not see himself being set up so blatantly, or he's purposely taking the blame and not making mention of it (laughable, knowing his tendencies to air anything in public). no, i know ozzie didnt want dunn, ill tell u that much. i love how u can critisize moves that ozzie makes that backfires because its so easy to second guess. ur right ozzie is an idiot and ur a genius

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Sep 19, 2011 -> 11:25 AM) Oh, conjecture? That sounds about right. All we have to go off of is what we are told by the team and the writers. We were told that KW said to play the best players, regardless of salary. Since that makes Ozzie look a little worse, you make up a scenario. Awesome. well obviously kw is going to say that. what do u want him to say. no ozzie must play all these high priced players? its just funny how everyone acts like they know exactly whats going on. u dont know whats going on behind the scenes.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 19, 2011 -> 10:33 AM) Have fun. Link Link Link i wonder when that thread will be gone

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 19, 2011 -> 10:24 AM) When has Soriano ever been as bad as '11 Dunn? When has anybody ever been as bad as '11 Dunn? Barry Zito gets lambasted because he's getting paid like an ace when he's anything but. But he's still been, for the most part, a league-average pitcher during his time with the Giants. Adam Dunn defies explanation. He's quite possibly had the worst season of any pro athlete in any sport. I'm not sure how in touch you are with advanced metrics. Do you realize how bad you have to be to sport a -2.7 WAR? And to have him hit clean-up as often as he did? Failure! That's like running me out there intoxicated. That's like Della Reese entering a Miss America Pageant. You know something bad is going to happen. I don't care if Dunn was making minimum wage. He should not have been playing anywhere near as much as he was. That's all on Ozzie. im sure management was making him play dunn. they know hes done so why not just release him? because the money. not becuase ozzie

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 19, 2011 -> 09:43 AM) Yes, because Greg Walker hasn't taken a lick of heat for Dunn's failure. lol. Ozzie gets blamed, rightfully so, for running him out there over and over and over again. It was clear by July that the dude was toxic waste. "But Adam makes $14 million. He got to play no matter what." its funny how everyone thinks its that simple. dunn blows and its may, june now july, dont play him. he clearly had to. just like the cubs with soriano and the giants with zito,etc. we arent there to see what ozzie is being told by jerry/kw. and just becuase kw comes out and says play whoever you want doesnt matter the money, yea i dont buy that. im sure ozzie would have loved to bench dunn in may.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 19, 2011 -> 09:38 AM) When will Team Ozzie realize that most want Ozzie AND KW gone? I can't even remember the last pro-Kenny argument. i want ozzie gone but im just not like everyone else, blaming every single sox problem on him, like dunn

so since the sox were supposed* to win this year and sucked because ozzie, since it will be almost the same team next year, i should fully be expecting a winning season next year with a new manager?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 19, 2011 -> 09:27 AM) You mean the Vazquez who left the Sox and had his career best year the very next year? The one who dropped his era 1.80, his whip 0.3, 1.8 less H/9, 0.3 less HR/9, 0.8 less BB/9, and 1.2 more K/9? Nah, I don't know why I would think he got better once he left Chicago. he got better because hes had one good year since he left? lol

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 19, 2011 -> 09:28 AM) You may want to check your years. oops meant 07-08 , which still doesnt matter because hes a terrible example