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QUOTE(FlaSoxxJim @ Jul 15, 2005 -> 08:34 PM) A potential technical stumbling block to showing actual illegality was brought up in yesterday's abcnews.com's The Note. It had to do with the fact that Plame was not on overseas deep cover assignment at the time she was outed. Certainly a technicality, but it sounds like exactly the kind of little legal opening a crack team of lawyers can pounce on and get him off. There is no way this works as a way around the law. Let's start with the actual text of the law. There is nothing in this law which mentions an actual deployment at the time, the only requirement is that the person is a covert agent of the United States. There are only 2 ways around it; either it has to be unintentional by Rove or it has to have been given to him by someone else, which is the defense his guys have been trying to pull. Now, let's look at why that explanation is so illogical; when you out a covert agent, you don't just out that covert agent him/herself, you also break up everything that the agent in question has done. Let's think about all the things that this person has done. First, she was employed by a CIA front company. The moment Novak's column was written, the cover of every single person who was supposedly employed by the same company or any project/person who dealt with that same company was also immediately blown. In other words, there could be dozens of other people who's cover was blown simultaneously. And any project that received money from that front company was exposed as a CIA operation. On top of that, people have to have record overseas of where this person has gone and what they've done. Pictures. Maybe even surveillance. She has to have met with dozens of other people. Some of them had to be other covert U.S. agents. Others could have been covert agents of other nations or even people who were working for us in other governments. Immediately upon publication of that article, every single person she had ever met with was exposed as well. If she had met with another covert agent and there was a record of that meeting, then it could have exposed another covert agent. Or it could have exposed other companies. Or just about anything else. Think about that. In a career spanning tens of years as a CIA employee, how many people could she have met with to gain information useful to this country? The moment Novakula's article was published, each and every one of their lives may have been put in danger. The lives of everyone who dealt with that CIA front company may have been put in danger. Other CIA fronts may have been exposed. The damage could potentially have been enormous. Literally, that sort of information could set back our intelligence operations years, if not decades. People could have died because of that leak. Terrorists could get their hands on WMD because of that leak. It doesn't matter if she was on duty overseas or not...every single thing she ever did was immediately compromised when the Douchebag of Liberty exposed her. We have no idea how much damage was done, because exposing any damage would only do more damage. So there's no way for us to know what the damage was, which is the brilliance of this leak; it's possible for the Republicans to claim that nothing bad happened, because it's utterly impossible for us to learn what the results were. That's why that law was written. So that there was punishment for anyone who broke a person's cover intentionally. Some things happen by accident. But this was no accident. Someone out there did potentially horrific damage to the U.S. intelligence services. Someone deserves to be punished for this.

Man...wouldn't you hate to be in Cleveland's shoes right now? You come in from the all star break on a hot streak. You're playing at home. And then your supposedly vaunted offense scores 1 run in 2 games against the team beating the hell out of you in the division. And then...you have to face Mark Buehrle and Jon Garland. Ouch. Wonderful job tonight boys. GO GET EM TOMORROW MB!!

QUOTE(BigSqwert @ Jul 15, 2005 -> 06:18 PM) Farmer and his patriotic rants. Just talk about the game. I just can't stop laughing at that Avatar.

Karl has 3 k's today and an 0-4 on the board. If he didn't have a run scored that would look awful.

QUOTE(The Ginger Kid @ Jul 15, 2005 -> 06:15 PM) from what I've read, they were really pointing to this series as being KEY to turning around their season and getting it going in the second half. I'm tired of hearing how talented Cleveland is. I'm not tired of hearing it at all. Makes me enjoy days like yesterday and today all the more. That's right everyone...just keep thinking that other teams have a shot in the central. Go ahead.

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Jul 15, 2005 -> 06:15 PM) Paulie stays hot Hey, at least he has a hit this game.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jul 15, 2005 -> 06:07 PM) As it's been said before, that's just never going to get old is it. Only in late October when corks are flying all over the place.

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Jul 15, 2005 -> 06:05 PM) 6 runs in 6 innings not good enough? Not unless we get those runs via doubles and triples.

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Jul 15, 2005 -> 06:02 PM) Hawk stop talking out of your ass. PK is not a situational hitter Well, it just depends on the situation. In situations with RISP, he's a terrible hitter. With nobody on...he's a lot better.

QUOTE(BigSqwert @ Jul 15, 2005 -> 06:00 PM) They score in the 1st inning and fall asleep for the rest of the game. :headshake Against a guy like Sabathia, who's beaten up on your team before and who isnt' a bad pitcher, that's decent work. You can complain that we've had other guys on an haven't been able to do anything with them (which is true) but you can't score every time you get guys on. Sometimes decent pitchers get out of jams.

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Jul 15, 2005 -> 05:55 PM) 4 runs through 5 doesn't float your boat? If we're not scoring 15, we're not trying.

Just another addendum to this discussion about today's grand jury leaks... Based on what Rove has admitted to already, and based on what Novak has said, we can now officially say that Karl Rove should have his security clearance revoked. From the NYT Here's what a TPM Cafe writer had to say about this.

122 pitches for Sabathia in 5 innings.

QUOTE(fathom @ Jul 15, 2005 -> 05:34 PM) Good speed on the bases

Just got back in...any news yet on Damaso?

QUOTE(DukeNukeEm @ Jul 15, 2005 -> 04:07 PM) Damaso just broke a rib Do we know this is what happened? How seriously is he hurt?

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jul 15, 2005 -> 03:30 PM) Hammerhead. Haven't heard any names, although I'm assuming the Lakers have a mid-level exception and they will likely split it up on a PG and another big man. That or they will hope to find a taker for Brian Grants albatross of a contract and package him along with someone else and try to work something out (don't ask me how they could do that). The Lakers will try to find a taker for Grant since he's in the last year of his contract, but I think the odds are that they won't, and under the new CBA the team has the right to cut 1 guy's contract out. I feel almost certain that this is what will happen with Grant; they will cut him, pay his contract out, but at the same time they'll save themselves about $30 million in luxury tax payments.

QUOTE(AirScott @ Jul 15, 2005 -> 03:49 PM) Butler stepped it up for the Lakers at the end of the season, they really should have shopped Odom for a better big man. this deal will look like a huge steal if Kwame doesn't reach his potential. The Lakers were also quite heavy at the small forward position; Odom, Walton, Devean George, and Jumaine Jones. They had to move one of those guys.

QUOTE(hammerhead johnson @ Jul 15, 2005 -> 11:26 AM) Do you know if they have a specific PG in mind? I don't have a free agent list handy, but I know that Earl Watson is out there. He is competent when bringing the ball up the court, and he can play damn good on-the-ball defense. Right now, Kobe is the only quality defender in the starting unit. Everyone else is below averge to adequate. They're going to have to win games Dallas Mavericks style. They should get the 7th or 8th seed, and then get smashed by the Spurs or Suns in the 1st Round. Right now, the only point guard on the lakers roster is Sasha Vujacic, who is in his 2nd year, played 35 games last year, and averaged like 3.9 points. According to the LAT, the number one PG on the Lakers list (even though PG is not always that important in the triangle - Odom or Bryant would most likely do most of the ball handling) is Antonio Daniels from Seattle. The Lakers have the mid-level exemption available, so they can offer him about $5 million a year. The other names on the "Available point guard list" are Earl Watson, Dan Dickau, Tyronn Lue, Brevin Knight and Jeff McInnis.

QUOTE(Ozzie Montana @ Jul 15, 2005 -> 03:39 PM) Ozzie has to let Podsednik hit against the lefties. AND I still dont get why he doesnt put Uribe at 3rd and Ozuna at SS. He is better defensively there. Ozzie also has to get Carl Everett some at bats. And Carl has been on fire all year from the RHS. It makes as much sense to sit Pods against a lefty as it does to sit Frank or Dye, so Ozzie just has to roll the dice.

QUOTE(Controlled Chaos @ Jul 15, 2005 -> 10:59 AM) Something from the other side... Rove Trumps Wilson: It's Not Even Close In their zeal to dispatch Rove, the Left willfully ignores that Wilson not only lied about his findings but also about who sent him, denying his wife recommended him for the job, and sometimes alleging that Vice President Cheney, who didn't know him from Adam, sent him. They ignore that a bipartisan Senate Intelligence Committee discredited Wilson in two essential particulars. First, it confirmed that Plame recommended her husband for the African junket. Second, it found that certain forged documents Wilson bragged about debunking were not even discovered until eight months after his trip. The Left also chooses to overlook Wilson's political motivation to damage President Bush -- his admitted longtime support of John Kerry and his monetary contributions to Kerry's presidential campaign. There's so many foolish points there I'm just going to hit on 3. First of all...saying that Wilson alleged that Cheney himself had ordered Wilson's Nigeria trip is a deliberate distortion of Wilson's words. The quote in question comes from an appearance in 2003 by Wilson with Wolf Blitzer, and the Republicans grabbed 1 quote from that appearance without context and distorted it into that first point. Here's an analysis of the actual transcript. Second...yes, it has been confirmed that Plame suggested her husband, a noted long time diplomat and confidant of George Bush 1, for the job, given his extensive experience with both Iraq and WMD issues. But if I were to reccomend something to my supervisor here...it wouldn't happen without their approval. In other words...just because she reccomended him for the job doesn't mean that she made the decision...someone else had to look at that and say "Ok". Someone else had to budget for it, schedule th ings, etc. Saying that Plame reccomended her husband for the job ignores this important point. And third...Yes, Wilson contributed to the Kerry campaign after his wife was outed by Novak. If someone high up in the Administration caused your wife to basically be out of a job, wouldn't you help out the other guy? In 2000, Wilson contributed equally to the Gore and Bush campaigns. Where's that information in that piece? No where.

QUOTE(KipWellsFan @ Jul 15, 2005 -> 01:38 PM) Is David Limbaugh Rush's kid? Basically all the argument's against Wilson are a joke. Brother.

Freddie...I think we shouldn't give up a run to these guys in all 4 games. Shut people up about their offense pretty damn quick that way. Go get em. And we're due to tear Sabathia apart. Guys...you can beat this guy. Go get em.

QUOTE(BigSqwert @ Jul 15, 2005 -> 10:00 AM) I'm worried about our offense. CC can be dominating against us. That avatar is incredible!

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jul 15, 2005 -> 01:16 PM) If Damaso is back to 03 form which isn't a certainty at all yet, he's pretty close to Billy in terms of ability. There is a big difference between throwing 100 and throwing 96. In ability...the guy throwing 100 wins. In cost...it's a different story.