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QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Apr 18, 2007 -> 09:51 AM) Hunting isn't the primary issue. And yes, these things do and have happened in the UK, Australia, etc. Maybe not this exact example, but they still happen. You cannot remove guns from the equation - its not possible. So why on earth would you take them away only from those who obtain them legally? I see no purpose for a civilized society to have guns. In my ideal world guns would be illegal to everyone except law enforcement and armed services. Gun manufacturing would exist only to provide for those outlets. Black market guns would be almost impossible to obtain in this scenario. There wouldn't be such an influx of guns out there for people to trade on the black market. Violent murders would undoubtedly decrease in this type of society. I know it would never disappear since there always will be crime and a small percentage of nut cases like this kid in Virginia Tech.

This has become an anti gun debate because you don't see these kinds of things happen in other civilized societies where guns are either banned altogether or are extremely controlled. America has a disturbing obsession for the right to bear arms. I can't see how our society wouldn't be better off if guns were completely taken out of the equation. I know the gun proponents will reply that criminals will still get black market guns but I would think the overall supply of guns would be minuscule in comparison to what it is today if the market for legal guns shrank exponentially. And if banning guns altogether is a bad thing for all the hunters out there in this country so be it. I'd rather have less blood baths and sad hunters than a society of trigger happy criminals. Take up fishing.

This team is becoming unbearable to watch. I find myself turning the game off more often than in past years. I hope they start doing something to excite me.

QUOTE(caulfield12 @ Apr 18, 2007 -> 09:07 AM) We don't have enough of those guys who work the counts, foul off pitches (Pods is probably the best, AJ is good at this too) Which AJ have you been watching? I saw somewhere that he led the league in fewest pitches seen per at bat. EDIT: It was a stat they showed on TV during a game late last year. Seems no different this year.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Apr 17, 2007 -> 10:22 PM) Grinders are not defined by stats. Its diving on the dirt. Its bunting for no reason. Its grounding out 4-3. h8tr ROFLMAO

A 1 run lead is all Tejeda needs.

No hits through 3 innings vs Robinson f***ing Tejeda!?!

What does Greg Walker get paid for?

We have made every pitcher we've faced this year look like Cy Young. How do we have any wins?

At least they made him throw over 20 pitches.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Apr 17, 2007 -> 07:27 PM) You're right he doesn't have 1 . . . he has 5. Oh. Stupid gameday.

Just noticed on gameday how terrible Konerko has been. He doesn't even have 1 RBI yet.

QUOTE(jphat007 @ Apr 17, 2007 -> 07:10 PM) Jake Westbrook gives up 8 runs in 1.2. Contreras-esque Contreras had 1 unearned run in that outing.

As I watch Arod smack another one out I wonder if Hawk would still take Crede over him.

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Apr 17, 2007 -> 03:50 PM) Actually, there are. You can't purchase one either, last I knew. Has that changed? Never mind.

QUOTE(Steve9347 @ Apr 17, 2007 -> 04:00 PM) Today's White Sox Lineup CF Erstad 2B Iguchi DH Thome 1B Konerko RF Dye C Pierzynski 3B Crede LF Mackowiak SS Cintron Puzzled as to why we have an ice cold hitter leading off.

I'd rather have Mack leadoff. His chances of getting on base are higher.

QUOTE(StrangeSox @ Apr 17, 2007 -> 02:03 PM) That's life. If I'm not armed and its the gunman, I'm dead anyway with no hope of defending myself. If you're so worried about your safety at school buy a Kevlar vest. There are no laws against you wearing one.

QUOTE(Alpha Dog @ Apr 17, 2007 -> 01:47 PM) Quit going to such crazy extremes for situations you know never exist. Situations that I know NEVER exist? Fires don't occur? People don't have heart attacks? They occur more often than gunman going postal.

We should all be able to bring a concealed gun anywhere we want to to (school, church, work, Sox game, etc) because you never know when a crazed gunman might go postal. In fact we should all carry a fire extinguisher, snake anti-venom, automated defibrillator, and a gas mask on us at all times as well because you never know if you'll be trapped in a fire, bit by a snake, witness a heart attack, or be attacked by mustard gas.

QUOTE(mreye @ Apr 17, 2007 -> 09:41 AM) One more gun in the hands of a responsible person on that campus would have stopped this. Really? If that person pulled out their gun what if others thought that he/she was part of the shooting spree and they decided to shoot at that person. Wouldn't chaos ensue? How do you know who the good guy is when you hear shots being fired and you see someone holding a gun down the hallway? Do you just shoot at anyone holding a gun? Where do we draw the line? A crazed shooting can occur anywhere not just at a school. Should people bring guns to Chuck E Cheese for their kid's birthday party in case a crazed gunman comes by?

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Apr 17, 2007 -> 09:34 AM) Well you can live in a world based in fear... Meaning?

QUOTE(StrangeSox @ Apr 17, 2007 -> 09:26 AM) That's just a flawed argument based on emotions and not reason. Besides, its not like they'd be handing out guns at the doors. Only people who really wanted to get CCW permits and pay several hundred dollars for guns would be carrying. Given the amount of armed robberies on campus here lately, maybe these thugs would think twice if they knew their victim my also be packing. Well you can live in a world based in fear but I'd rather have a no gun policy at school or work. QUOTE(Texsox @ Apr 17, 2007 -> 09:28 AM) I would be more than happy to debate. When you leave your classroom and see a guy down the hall carrying a gun, shooting, he quickly turns as he hears you approaching, do you shoot at him? Too bad, you just murdered someone, that's a guy shooting at the *real* shooter. Now picture the scene when you apologize to his mother for killing her son because you thought he was the shooter, or apologizing to a husband because you missed the shooter and killed an innocent bystander. How much regular practice and training do you have with your weapon? Are you looking at the background in case you miss? Imagine twelve people running around with guns when the cops arrive? Who do they shoot first? Excellent points. I really don't think a shoot out ala the old wild west is the answer.

QUOTE(hitlesswonder @ Apr 17, 2007 -> 09:09 AM) I don't see how anyone right now can argue against a concealed carry law. You can see the result of guns being banned on the VTU campus. I don't see how there can be any debate on this subject. I can argue against. I wouldn't feel safe if everyone at school carried a concealed gun.

QUOTE(GoSox05 @ Apr 17, 2007 -> 08:31 AM) how is Robinson Tejada? Expected to pitch tonight so I guess he's fine.