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It's been fun gents. Really, really helped me kill pretty much an entire work day. I'll be back to read the leftovers in the morning, I just can't see wasting this weather going home and getting back on the comp.

QUOTE (southsideirish71 @ May 6, 2008 -> 04:19 PM) And what story will offend them more. The story of the plastic doll with a bat with no more than a basic description of the act. Or the front page story of the triple rape in Lincoln Park. Hell a few years back we had a president who decided to drop some DNA on a blue dress that was more offensive than this. And the internet, good luck with that. If this is the worst thing they see they are lucky. And he got in a s***load of trouble and nearly became the second President EVER to be impeached. So what's your point?

QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ May 6, 2008 -> 04:08 PM) Yeah... those probably aren't made with women in mind as the primary buyer.... When you're right, you're right.

Here's a special stat. From A ball through the Majors, this organization is hitting a whopping .236.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ May 6, 2008 -> 04:16 PM) Really? When I was growing up I would run down the street each morning and pick up a Trib or Sun Times to read the baseball stats and game results. This is when I was in 3rd and 4th grade. You're telling me that kids today can't easily go to ESPN.com or other sites on the web to follow their favorite team? My 10 year old cousin loves to read about the Cubs (I know, I know) in the Tribune and is allowed to visit sports sites on the Web.

QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ May 6, 2008 -> 04:04 PM) Oh I agree it SHOULD have been kept behind closed doors, and I agree it wasn't because the team wasn't run properly in that regard. My issue is that some people seem to think things like this never should happen. The impression TexSox and Carol Slezak and so on give (excuse me while I go into extreme assumption mode like he has all thread) is that this is evil and violating doll rights and women and children all over the world should hate the Sox now that it should never happen, not even behind closed doors. And although, again, I don't agree with what was done, that is just silly. I can with 100% certainty say that TexSox would not have cared at all about this had the Sox not violated the female reporter's rights and had this viewable to the media, thus leaking the story and effecting the view of this franchise and getting a story about blow up dolls on the radio that could be heard by children. He's not a champion for dolls rights.

QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ May 6, 2008 -> 04:01 PM) I believe in women's rights, I don't believe in dolls rights. But if you believe in women's rights, wouldn't you agree that they shouldn't be subjected to that doll in the workplace? At the designated time set aside by MLB and the franchise for reporters to be in the lockerroom, a female reporter has every bit of right to be comfortable as Jermaine Dye does. At that designated time, it is both of their place of work. Part of the women's rights movements was the inclusion of sexual harassment laws in the workplace to help them gain equality and respect in their careers. A blow up doll with bats in it is no less sexual harassment than having pornography posted on the walls. It's not right, now matter how you shave it.

QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ May 6, 2008 -> 03:56 PM) Again, if you don't like and especially can't handle the act like a 15 year old atmosphere and sophmoric humor, don't follow sports because that is what it is like in every locker room there is. This certainly is a topic that merits discussion, and it can merit disagreeing with what was done. But to take this to the extreme that people like TexSox and Carol Slezak are is pretty ridiculous, you'd swear rape and sodomy were committed on an actual woman when a stupid joke involving a blow up doll and a bat to try and loosen up a team is what really happened. I have no problem with them doing this s*** behind closed doors. I also don't think I should be told to stop following sports because I'd like the White Sox to keep it behind doors. Had this "shrine" been removed before reporters came in, like any f***ing team that was run properly would make sure is done, this wouldn't be an issue because we wouldn't know about it. If the entire Yankees roster has a big orgy behind closed doors, that's fine, I don't give a s***. It's when the reporters are subjected to it, and it leaks out, and it effects the view of this franchise, this is where I have a problem. The Sox subjected female reporters and male reporters alike to an incredibly insensitive and stupid thing they pointlessly tried to do. It was a dumb move that effects the image of this franchise, and therein lies the problem.

After talking it over with my esteemed colleague, AnthraxFan93, I have come to the blatantly obvious realization that it really isn't all Walker's fault (again, obvious). A change is due, but he has a lineup filled with streaky power hitters. Swisher hit . last year, Cabrera is a .271 hitter, there's not a guy in this lineup known to hit for average. The problem with this team starts with the hard-headed GM, and a manager who claims the team is going to do the little things yet it never does. This runs way deeper than just the hitting coach.

QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ May 6, 2008 -> 03:49 PM) Because people have the right to be stupid in our fine country, even if we don't agree with it. Nobody is being hurt or threatened by having a stupid blow up doll in the locker room with some bats to try and bust a slump. If people want to interpret it as this terrible thing, that's fine, but in reality it's not. It's just another case of pro athletes being what they are (pigs), and if that bothers you, that's fine, just don't follow sports. Well that ain't happenin'! I'll still be frothing at the mouth for 9 innings of White Sox baseball tonight. I just felt when I initially brought up the other side that it merited discussion. I really didn't mean to be the champion of women's rights trying to overthrow the climate of baseball players as pigs, though that'd be ideal. Everything building up, with Ozzie yet again ripping fans and the media, and now this, drawing national attention. I'm just sick of the act like a 15 year old atmosphere and the White Sox generally being the laughing stock franchise of Major League Baseball.

QUOTE (Controlled Chaos @ May 6, 2008 -> 03:37 PM) Nobody here has said that is the image Sox fans want or support. You take things to such extremes. But the majority is defending it. If you don't want nor support this image the White Sox are portraying, why do you defend it? That's a legitimate question I think.

QUOTE (Texsox @ May 6, 2008 -> 03:27 PM) And I thought I should toss this in. If this was at some party, away from work, I would think it was really stupid, and wish they had not done it, but would cut them all the slack. Bringing it to work, where they knew reporters would be around, is inexcusable, and (I thought) indefensible. Me too.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ May 6, 2008 -> 03:24 PM) He's had the top or near-the-top payroll in the central division every year. In the 2001-2004 campaigns, this division was pretty weak. Judging by records, this division is looking about as bad as the 2005 NL West or 2006 NL Central right now.

I don't get why the dragon had a penis and massive boobs.

QUOTE (Tmar @ May 6, 2008 -> 03:09 PM) does snake stand for penis Ha, I like yours better. The joke, not your penis. EDIT: This was not in anyway meant to cut down your penis nor a jab at your penisness.

QUOTE (knightni @ May 6, 2008 -> 03:08 PM) Any more posting of pictures of blowup dolls, naked cartoons etc. gets you 10 days. This is your only warning. They can't post them on Soxtalk, yet some people they think they are perfectly acceptable in to the open eyes of the press in the White Sox locker room? Note: this is in no way questioning your move, Jeremy, as they obviously shouldn't be posted here.

QUOTE (southsideirish71 @ May 6, 2008 -> 03:08 PM) What's more likely to happen in a club house. 1.) And inflatable doll appears with a bat in the backside. 2.) Mr Snake and his two friends makes an appearance in the towel show. 3.) A player invites a girl to interview Mr. Snake and the twins in a more private location. I would say that out of that list, number 1 is the least offensive and number 1 is the least likely to happen. Who's Mr. Snake?

QUOTE (kyyle23 @ May 6, 2008 -> 03:06 PM) Im curious, are male reporters allowed in female lockerrooms, whether they be professional or college teams? That's actually a very good question, and unfortunately I think the answer is pretty obvious.

QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ May 6, 2008 -> 03:00 PM) but to say it's offensive is a bit of a leap since it's not and doesn't affect actual, real people. Therein lies the disconnect. It effects any female professional who ever hopes to step into a baseball clubhouse to do her job reporting.

QUOTE (kyyle23 @ May 6, 2008 -> 02:58 PM) We are approaching 20 pages of it Dude, this is 20 pages, but 15 of it is defending the Sox. A very few posters are actually upset with this, and I wouldn't say it's on the level of outrage. It's just embarrassing that it had to be our franchise that did this one. It's always our franchise or our manager. I'm happy to point out that it was the White Sox clubhouse that forced positive tests by refusing to take the steroids test and thus implementing manadatory testing, and I'm disappointed it was the White Sox clubhouse that did this act. It goes both ways for me.

QUOTE (Texsox @ May 6, 2008 -> 02:57 PM) Again it is a different environment -- REPORTERS ARE THERE! Reporters are there, out in the open. They even dress differently then the players so the players can tell the difference. This is not their bathroom at home. Why is that such a difficult concept for people to get? The reporters are there because MLB and the Sox WANT THEM TO BE THERE! They help the team to sell tickets, get people to watch the television, and helps the players to earn millions. It comes with the territory and the players have lived with it forever. This is like the morons that stand behind reporters on live feeds and jump up and down and flash signs. People just don't understand this Tex. They all think women shouldn't be allowed in the "locker room" nor to pursue their career goals, and that it's perfectly acceptable to subject any woman who's just- doing her job to blow up dolls and the like, showing a blatant disrespect for women and their comfort.

QUOTE (knightni @ May 6, 2008 -> 02:56 PM) It's not Sox fans, it's the national media and the American public. It's embarrassing to see. Like the Ligue boys, like Disco Demolition, like the Black Sox scandal, like the old neighborhood, like our foul-mouthed manager. More reason for the nation to look down their noses at the Sox and their fans. I'm glad to see that Knightni understands the big issue here. It's embarrassing.

QUOTE (kyyle23 @ May 6, 2008 -> 02:55 PM) I think about my seven year old every day, and this doesnt even register on her radar. I agree, this was childish, and should have been put away before the prying eyes of the female press saw it, but the level of outrage is off the charts. Where's the outrage? The level of outrage is not off the charts. Some people have pointed out that it's unprofessional and embarrassing for the franchise, others think it's just baseball players being baseball players. The argument lies in the spot where I'm just embarrassed. With the s*** that's been going on with this franchise, this was something it didn't need. I'm not outraged, but when I first brought up the subject way back on page 1, I did so because everyone thought it was funny and I thought it was lame and childish and embarrassing.

QUOTE (Texsox @ May 6, 2008 -> 02:46 PM) At this point, it is a complete mystery to me. As I said probably at the same time last year. Coaches should be changed during the off season. I dislike seeing shake ups like that in the middle of the season. We are probably stuck with him again, but please make a change next off season. It's just amazing how many hitters we have all whom cannot seem to fix their issues or bust out of slumps... the only place to look is Walker, who by the way was more than happy to come out and brag during the first two weeks of the season, but now we yet again have a team that can't put the bat on the ball and does nothing but try to hit homeruns. I cannot fathom how a change has not yet been made.

QUOTE (kyyle23 @ May 6, 2008 -> 02:49 PM) So we should call out every immature act from here on out? No Beer showers, no shaving cream pies to the face, no rookie hazing. This is all immature and unprofessional, and you wouldnt find this in a regular workplace, therefore it should never happen in baseball ever again. End of story. this whole argument is just ridiculous. As if any one of us was surprised that this sort of thing happens in a major league lockerroom, then one suntimes columnist suddenly takes offense to it and the Sox are now labeled as sexist a-holes who are losing fans. Cry me a river There's a difference between the actions you state above and a baseball bat in an inflatable vagina. Think about the children! Won't somebody PLEASE think of the children!