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QUOTE(Fingish @ Oct 6, 2005 -> 02:17 PM) As a lifelong White Sox fan, after hearing so much about the Red Sox recent record in elimination games since last night from seemingly every media source out there, I was begining to get worried again. Then I really started to think about it, and found a way of looking at it that allows me to both feel better about or chances of going to the ALCS and get through the next 24 hours or so without giving myself a heart attack. The line we keep hearing repeated is that they are 8-1 in their last 9 elimination games, and when it is stated like that it seems to be undeniable evidence that our lead will somehow be overcome. I would be curious what their all time record is in elimination games, as it is probably much closer to a normal winning pct. versus the 89% clip implied by this stat, something tells me that there is a reason Red Sox boosters in the media want to leave out everything before just recently. But lets think about statistics for a second... 9 games is a very small sample size, and for any baseball team to win 89% of their games under nearly any circumstance is probably widely acknowledged to be extremely above the expected average. If a team wins just 60% of their games they are considered great, any statistic that is parsed out in such a way to result in a team winning nearly 90% of those matchups is obviously more likely to be evidence of an abberation than proof of some particular quality about the team. Now, over the next 3 games we will increase the sample size in to 12 games, a 33% increase in the sample size. It is a fact that the larger a sample gets, the more it will revert towards it's average. If we assume that even a great playoff team would only win 60% of their elimination games, the odds are much higher that if we increase the sample by 33% that the Red Sox winning pct. will go down rather than up. So knowing that it is virtually impossible for a team to win 89% of their games over the long term, and probably should expect that teams playing in elimination games in general have a less than .500 winning pct., afterall they wouldn't be facing elimination if they were the better team, then the Red Sox myth of the great 8-1 record seems like the best evidence yet that our White Sox will be playing in game 1 of the ALCS next Tuesday. I really had started to get worried, thinking that history would repeat itself, and we would go the way of the Indians and the Yankees. But now that I have rationalized out this reason to view their recent playoff performance in these terms, I found that I am once again looking forward to the games in Fenway, I really think we have a good chance of winning it out there. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Dude you are thinking way too hard.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Oct 6, 2005 -> 09:18 AM) Tony Graffanino. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Way to do the old buddies a solid Tony G!!!

QUOTE(mreye @ Oct 6, 2005 -> 09:40 AM) A guy I know works as the doorman at the Hyatt downtown and he said Wendt is a big dickhead. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I've heard that also. Aren't fat people supposed to be nice??

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Oct 6, 2005 -> 12:17 AM) I don't remember who's description it was, but I thought it was apt. White Sox fans aren't rich. They're not loaded with cash. These are working class folks. A trip to the ballpark is expensive for those sorts of folks. I know it would be for me. You can't attend every game when you don't have a fan base that's loaded with people who buy up all of the luxury sweets. These sorts of people want to see a good product. I know I do. They put a winner on the field...they get some of my hard earned. I don't consider that to be a bandwagon fan...i consider that to be the way to be a fan when you're not earning 6 figures. If I'm a fan of a team winning 70 games, or that's not going anywhere any year...I don't have much fun going to the ballpark and watching them lose, and I'm not as proud when I wear my hat/jersey/brand new T Shirt that MLB refuses to ship. But when they win...they've earned it. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Very well put, all except the not being proud to wear the hat thing. I'll always rock my Sox hat even when they suck. Thats the kind of fan I am.

QUOTE(Bias @ Oct 6, 2005 -> 09:40 AM) Yeah I hear ya, I didn't want to come off as being negative... I'm freakin' pumped like a mofo right now wish they were playing today. Jenks's curve has been a concern for a couple weeks now...didn't throw it v the Indians at the Cell. Oh well, GO WHITE SOX!!!!! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Actually he did throw it during the Cleveland series and it was working pretty good. Not the best though. Im not worried, the kid has to have a lot going through his mind. I wouldnt be surprised to see it getting better after last nights performance though. That should give him some confidence.

Laurie Metcalf from "Roseanne"

that would be just what we need, allow Cleveland to get into the post season, and in turn, giving them another opportunity to ruin our season. NO WAY my philosophy: eliminate them while you have the chance

Damn I just checked to see if that would be Freddy's turn in the rotation, but it isn't. Would have been nice cause you know how FG do during day games on the road Oh well, he is pitching the last game in Detroit which also happens to be a day game, so hopefully that means MONEY

Now if he could only find someone to replace Marte, then we wouldn't have any problems I tried to tell him that it is givEth but he don't want to listen

I don't know why everyone keeps comparing our series with the Royals to the Indians series against the Royals. The Indians pretty much have to win from here on out to make the playoffs. The pressure is on THEM. Until this upcoming series the Sox have had no pressure on them. Can you blame them for not getting "fired up" for a series against the pushing 100 losses Royals?? I'm not saying that we shouldn't have won that series, because we should have, but we have much less at stake in losing a series to the Royals than say, the Indians. This is still our division to win, all we have to do is take 2 of 3 from the Indians, nothing that we haven't been doing all year long. I'll be willing to bet you see a completely different team Mon/Tues/Wed then we saw against the Royals last week book it

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Sep 18, 2005 -> 09:46 PM) It wasn't made for your entertainment, it was made for Sox fan's entertainment, as a whole. You can speak your mind all you want to, but if what you are saying and doing is bringing down the entire atmosphere for the group and it makes it an unenjoyable place, then you'll have problems. Feeding the trolls will bring more and trolls to the place, thus creating an unenjoyable atmosphere. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> First of all, I didn't say anything so speak to whom is deserving. Second of all, something that brings one person down, may not bring another down. You see the great thing about a chat board is, if you dont like what you are reading you have every right to IGNORE IT. Third of all, if there are so called "trolls" here that no one wants then it should be up to the administrators to get rid of them, to tell people they cant post their feelings to another person's thought isn't right, except in the case of personal attacks and such, which I don't recall there being any. thank you though for your meaningless post

QUOTE(DonkeyKongerko @ Sep 18, 2005 -> 08:53 PM) Talk and express all you want, just don't feed the trolls. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> thats an oxymoron if i've ever read one

QUOTE(DonkeyKongerko @ Sep 18, 2005 -> 08:12 PM) Please don't feed the trolls. Thanks, Soxtalk Management You guys disappoint me you know? You're playing right into any Indians fan's thread by posting what amounts to a big "NUH UH" over the Internet. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> except the point of a chat board is to be able to express your feelings. if you cant talk on a chat board then whats the point of a chat board?

QUOTE(twisted @ Sep 18, 2005 -> 08:24 PM) that was a personal attack geez how about this QUOTE(Whitesoxfan56 @ Sep 19, 2005 -> 01:19 AM) LOL, f***in dumb ass indian "fans" Wow you guys cant even follow your own rules! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> that isn't a personal attack saying, "twisted your a f***ing dumb ass indian fan" that would be a personal attack dont worry we know you are from ohio and it will take you a while to compute that, its ok

QUOTE(twisted @ Sep 18, 2005 -> 08:20 PM) oK mr. know it alls August first how many were u ahead of us? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> 15 and 1/2 games moron

QUOTE(twisted @ Sep 18, 2005 -> 08:07 PM) Loser team thats almost funny thats why we go from 20+ behind to 3.5 you might wanna say YOUR loser team not ours Why cant we be here we have our own site also! CAn't take a rivalry? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> _______________BANDWAGON FAN alert__________________________ any REAL cleveland indian fan would know that the indians were never 20 games out at any point in the season. get your facts straight

QUOTE(twisted @ Sep 18, 2005 -> 08:07 PM) Loser team thats almost funny thats why we go from 20+ behind to 3.5 you might wanna say YOUR loser team not ours Why cant we be here we have our own site also! CAn't take a rivalry? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yeah but who is 3.5 ahead you idiot?? You guys haven't proved s***, so until you do you don't have s*** to say. Come back when you actually have a lead.

Anyway if you Cleavage Indian fans are so sure your team is going to win, then why are you here bothering us. Why aren't you celebrating with your own kind? Trying to get us riled up isn't going to make your loser team any better.

QUOTE(sircaffey @ Sep 18, 2005 -> 07:59 PM) There will be no sweep for either team... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Thank You Nostradamus by the way GIVETH and TAKETH<-----thats the correct spelling

QUOTE(YTOWN @ Sep 18, 2005 -> 07:57 PM) YOU ARE ALL IN FOR A MAJOR SURPRISE; I READ THIS BOARD THE LAST WEEK AND YOU WERE ALL LIKE; WHAT ABOUT OUR PLAYOFFS TIX! NOW I COME HERE AND LONE BEHOLD O WE ARE GONNA SWEEP THEM! SHOCK AHEAD FOR ALL YOU! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> WAKE UP LITTLE BOY ITS TIME FOR SCHOOL.......

2005 WHITE SOX 10 WINS INDIANS 3 WINS SOX WILL TAKE AT LEAST 2 BOOK IT

QUOTE(ChiSoxFan @ Sep 8, 2005 -> 12:41 AM) I think you missed my point. It was because of the back injuries that there was doubt in how effective Hermy was going to be down the stretch. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yeah but his back is still injured

QUOTE(ChiSoxFan @ Sep 7, 2005 -> 10:01 PM) Jose......... This also looked to be the game that Hermanson re-established himself as the man to go to in the 9th inning should the Sox make it to next month. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hermanson was never not the go to guy. If it wasnt for his back problems noone else would have had a shot. Anyway. Great game. wish I didnt have to see Marte tonight, but a win is a win. Caught two BP homerun balls. All is good!!! Bring on the Patio Party, and the

Just got back from the game. the whole stadium booed Ozzie when he took Jenks out, and deservedly so. I don't know what he thinks sometimes. Its a good thing that Hermie bailed him out, bad back and all.

QUOTE(SnB @ Sep 6, 2005 -> 09:53 PM) where's the: Who cares about magglio? option <{POST_SNAPBACK}> my sentiments exactly. Why is Magglio even topic worthy anymore??? Is there an echo in here?? HELLO................