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QUOTE(Felix @ Mar 10, 2006 -> 04:22 PM) Charlie Haeger comes in, and Valido stays in the game at SS. 5-1 Sox top of the 5th. When I watched him on 3/4 at the game, Haeger looked pretty bad. Threw behind guys a couple times. Doesn't seem to have his control yet.

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Mar 10, 2006 -> 04:18 PM) That is the biggest thing to me right there. A lot of illegals come here and are hired and paid under the table. They are not paying taxes or putting money into health benefits. However, they are still receiving health care and other benefits. Some are also adding on to the criminal activities in our neighborhoods. Notice I said some, not all, not most, but some. And because they are paid on the sly, they aren't protected by laws that could be helpful to them. They can be, and sometimes are, abused in various ways. Getting them into the system helps everyone involved, the workers included.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Mar 10, 2006 -> 03:53 PM) KONERKO WITH AN RBI DOUBLE. 3-0 SOX. Thome scored from first on the double? And he had a triple yesterday? Thome with the wheels!

QUOTE(WCSox @ Mar 10, 2006 -> 03:48 PM) Call me a jingo, but captured foreign terrorists and political hack journalists who illegally obtain and release classified information aren't going to get my support. Something tells me that the Founding Fathers didn't intend for the Constitution to protect criminals at the expense of law-abiding citizens. Actually, the Constitution was in fact meant to protect criminals to some extent, and sometimes it is at the expense of the rest of us. Consequences of living in a just society. And what the heck is a jingo?

QUOTE(Felix @ Mar 10, 2006 -> 03:41 PM) Borch with an attempt out in left, but fails to make the catch. And I thought we were worried more about Gload's defense and Borch's offense.

QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Mar 10, 2006 -> 03:38 PM) Their contributions to the economy far outweigh whatever benefits they get. This part is true. That is why I personally would like to see a migrant worker program. They can continue to contribute, and continue to get paid better than they do in their own country. But we need to make sure they are documented, protected, and paying into the system like everyone else. That includes, by the way, the businesses that hire them. And yeah, some people here do b**** about the extent and type US foreign aid. I am sometimes among them.

QUOTE(rudylaw @ Mar 10, 2006 -> 03:36 PM) I noticed again today that Pods is not in the line up. He has only 9 ABs this spring, lowest on the team except for Widger. He is 1 for 9 with 1 cs and has not played a lot. Is any one else concerned? I'm starting to be.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Mar 10, 2006 -> 03:33 PM) BORCHARD WITH A BOMB!!!! MATCHING GLOAD. 2-0 SOX. I bet those two are giving each other crap about it to.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Mar 10, 2006 -> 03:33 PM) Gooch cant seem to do anything right with the bat this spring. Hope he picks it up. I think it will take him a while to change from his inside-out swing last year to his older swing again this year. Just my thought.

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Mar 10, 2006 -> 03:24 PM) You all are killing me. Is that the brown blastula beating up a green blastula in that emoticon? RACISM, I SAY! WHERE IS THE OUTRAGE?! EQUALITY FOR ALL BLASTULAS!

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Mar 10, 2006 -> 03:20 PM) I don't think there's been any genuine test in this country as to whether or not actually banning assault weapons would lead to an increase or a decrease in violent crime using assault weapons, because there's never been an assault weapons ban which was more than window dressing. I was referring to various bans, including against handguns, or magazine clip sizes, or other things as well. Assault weapons bans included. But you are right, the federal assault weapons ban was a pretty weak attempt at it in any case.

QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Mar 10, 2006 -> 03:16 PM) The law in question effects legal residents and citizens also. In what manner? I apologize, but I did not read that part. I saw only the parts about benefits for illegal immigrants.

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Mar 10, 2006 -> 03:13 PM) I hate this, and I'm going to get labled, but screw it. YOU ARE HERE ILLEGALY, STFU, GO HOME, AND COME BACK LEGALLY!! Rights my ass. You don't have any unless you do it the right way. I tend to agree. I also think the laws should be changed on becoming a legal resident, but I even more fervently believe in following the existing laws. Boy am I having a GOP kind of day.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Mar 10, 2006 -> 03:04 PM) you at madison and wacker? Yessir.

Its an instinctive and natural first reaction to be upset by this violent act, and to wonder aloud how some moron street thug managed to get an AK-47. I wonder that myself. But placing the blame for this incident on the shoulders of this administration, Congress or the gun makers is just not supported by any logic. Statistics show, over and over again, that bans on certain types of guns do only one thing - take them out of the hands of those who are unlikely to use them illegally. Criminals won't heed the bans. They are useless, and in fact create more crime by creating a new black market enterprise. I would rather focus on the things that actually caused this incident - poverty, drug use, gangs and a building culture of violence.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Mar 10, 2006 -> 02:45 PM) They now switched to adams from jackson, and still just as many people. Plenty going down Madison as well. Still a big flow of them. Traffic stopped for them at Wacker.

I ate lunch today at a Chipotle, and there these weird signs up, saying they were closing at 1:30pm so that their employees could express their right to not be profiled. I didn't get it at the time. Now it makes sense. Huh.

Urge to kill... rising...

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Mar 10, 2006 -> 02:30 PM) But if the ID's were good and his business had no idea that the kid was underage...what then? I understand if the business lets him in deliberately, but can they seriously punish a business for someone using a well-made fake ID that looks real & passes all the usual checks? Yes the can be punished. To exactly what extent I do not know.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Mar 10, 2006 -> 02:19 PM) Can you give me some more details about how that would mess with your livelihood? If someone at your bar got through using a fake ID, do you face sanctions? Otherwise, wouldn't he just be helping you get extra customers? Sorry to interrput, but I can tell you he could get in big trouble. Fines, suspended liquor license... even criminal charges for the bartender personally, if they thought he knew he was underage and let him drink anyway.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Mar 10, 2006 -> 01:54 PM) That's why I said earlier that you have to have faith in the powers that be to determine what is actually going on. If the kid is selling to fellow students that are 19 and want to get into bars to get laid, that's one thing. If he's selling to 35 year old men, then you have to assume that there are other motives. That stuff all comes out in the investigation. These were all 18 to 20 year old college students, as far as we could tell. But then again, I suppose there is the outside chance that he had made others, for other reasons, and successfully destroyed that evidence. Not likely, but possible.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Mar 10, 2006 -> 01:52 PM) Well, then there's a couple of recourses. He clearly knows who he sold them to. First of all there are checks, but secondly, you have the kid. Is the kid going to cooperate and tell the cops who he sold them to, or is he going to refuse to cooperate with the cops? If he refuses to cooperate, then jail time should be an option. Let me just say that in this situation, it couldn't matter less if the kid cooperated or not. We had all the evidence we needed, because he saved the pictures and other info for each ID on his laptop, which we confiscated, analyzed, removed evidence from, and then destroyed.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Mar 10, 2006 -> 01:45 PM) The second part of that question is how do you know if they are just wanting to get into bars or not? Its not like they are going to tell you that they are terrorists looking to blow up a building... And not only do we not know, but even the seller doesn't know or control what they would be used for. Probably just to get into a bar - but who knows? That is a good point.

I'll add one twisting question to further the discussion. Sometime later, after this thread has been talked out, I'll reveal what actually happened. Question: Since the majority here seem to think that jail time isn't warranted, I have to then ask... what about the guy who dealt marijuana? Or the one who purchased a handgun illegally? These are similar-level crimes, and most of the time, those offenders would go to jail. But those crimes are also more often commited by people less fortunate. Does anyone see the potential quagmire here with the rich kid at the private college getting off, but the punk on the street going to jail? I am not endorsing one view or the other - just pointing out the incongruity there, and seeing what you all think.

I'd save the kid.