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QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Sep 29, 2009 -> 10:55 AM) Every book critical of the Bush administration must be a made-up money grab. Its impossible to consider that they really were as incompetent as all of these ex-officials say. All hyperbole aside, I think the best view into that administration you can get, for better or worse, are the Bob Woodward books. He was well-respected and given all sorts of access by BushCo (at least for the first couple books), he's a not a liberal agenda guy, and he did an awful lot of homework.

QUOTE (Cknolls @ Sep 29, 2009 -> 10:56 AM) I gotta believe the Saudis would look the other way i.e an Israeli attack on Iran. So too would Egypt and Jordan. I also gotta think that Syria would join the fray against Israel. I don't think that Egypt or Saudi Arabia would look the other way. Jordan, maybe, though they'd voice their displeasure.

QUOTE (Kenny Hates Prospects @ Sep 29, 2009 -> 10:46 AM) Updated list I'll remove those then I updated the list in the first post. Burdie is not yet eligible, and I removed a few more that are no longer in the org. I am not sure if JVB is still around.

QUOTE (kapkomet @ Sep 29, 2009 -> 10:15 AM) The money in Washington (aka the media) is to make Bush look stupid, you all saying stuff like this is proof of it. You people hate the guy so much that you just lap this s*** up that AHB posted as "more proof" that the guy was "stupid" or whatever else. Clearly, everything that comes out about the administration being either wrong, stubborn, stupid, or ignorant are trustworthy. It's a pretty clear fact that Bush had respect for Kennedy even though they may not have agreed on everything. I'll leave it at that. B.S. One, "the money" in media is to make anyone they can look stupid. Two, "you all saying stuff like this is proof" of what? I don't recall getting a check for bashing Bush, and I didn't say he was stupid either. Three, no one is "lapping" this s*** up, if you look at what I posted, I said UNKNOWN. Who got medals is known, and reflects the narrow minded view I described, but we don't know if his speech writers or advisors said these things. But, my GUESS is that, if you are a speech writer for ANY President, you could publish so much s*** that is true that would sell like hotcakes, why would you bother lying? It only increases the risk that you undermine your own efforts, so why do that? I'd lean towards the idea that most of what someone like this says is true, if out of context. But I don't know for sure, and neither do you.

QUOTE (Kenny Hates Prospects @ Sep 29, 2009 -> 10:04 AM) NSS, does missing a season due to injury still count towards an evaluation year or a MiLB FA year? Also, I left off Armstrong and Harrell because they are on our 40, but Armstrong should be dropped. Harrell will stay or be traded, his arm is too good to let go for nothing. That is why I put *** after Harrell's name, I don't know how that works with losing time to injury.

I'd put as many guys on the 40 as I could fit depending on who is traded or let loose by December (right now there are 3 open slots, and I'm figuring one or two more will open up by then), in this order of preference... Stefan Gartrell Brandon Hynick John Shelby Christian Marrero Tyson Corley Justin Cassel And I'd try to sign these FA's to minor league contracts (which I think keeps them out of the Rule V if they are willing to sign as FA's, but I could be wrong)... Cole Armstrong David Cook Carlos Torres Lucas Harrell Ehren Wassermann Fernando Hernandez Derek Rodriguez

QUOTE (kapkomet @ Sep 29, 2009 -> 09:52 AM) The point here is he's making s*** up to sell books. Sell books? Yes. Making s*** up? Unknown.

Thread created in FS to show Rule V eligibles and Minor League FA's - please provide feedback on any changes.

I'll try to update this list based on feedback. Based on what we know right now... Rule V eligible (* if currently on 40 man and protected): Brandon Hynick Brian Omogrosso Kyle McCulloch Matt Long Christian Marrero Anthony Carter John Shelby Justin Cassel Lee Cruz Tyson Corley Stefan Gartrell Jordan Cheatham Robbie Hudson CJ Lang Ricky Brooks Jacob Marceaux Ryan Rote Miguel Socolovich Justin Fuller Salvador Sanchez Jake Rasner James Albury Johny Celis Orlando Santos Joucer Martinez Derek Rodriguez Charlis Burdie (not sure on this one) Santo Luis Minor League FA's: Javier Colina Jared Price Adam Ricks Matt Zaleski Andy Cannizaro Wilson Betemit Keith Ginter Justin Knoedler Brian Myrow Miguel Negron Andy Phillips Mike Restovich Eider Torres Kelvin Jimenez Jon Van Benschoten Sergio Santos re-signed Ryan Braun David Cook Ehren Wassermann Fernando Hernandez Josh Kroeger Donny Lucy David Cook Wes Whisler Carlos Torres* Cole Armstrong* Lucas Harrell*** (due to missing time to injury, I am not sure he falls in here, but he is on the 40) John Lujan Seth Loman re-signed

QUOTE (Kenny Hates Prospects @ Sep 29, 2009 -> 09:47 AM) Corley will be eligible, but you're right about Garrett Johnson. He was 18 when he signed so the Sox will have to add him by next year to protect him. Teams have 5 years to evaluate a prospect who signs his first pro contract at 18, and 4 years to evaluate someone who signs at 19 or older. So that means we're talking about 19+ guys from the 2006 draft and everyone from the 2005 draft and before. Anyone taken in the 2004 draft or signed undrafted in 2004 or prior should become a minor league free agent this year. Maybe we should just make the full list and put it on FutureSox or something? I just posted this because I was curious about who we'd have to add. Johnson has only 3 years in, AND was drafted at 18, so he actually has two years remaining before he needs protection. But with the 2009 he had, it probably won't matter anyway, he's not much of a prospect at this point (though he is still young and has some potential). Corley you are right about, I thought he had only 4 years in, but he has 5. Kind of surprising. I posted a list in FS (in the catch-all thread) of who, I think (help me out here), are minor league FA eligible: Cole Armstrong Josh Kroeger Andy Cannizaro Donny Lucy David Cook Wes Whisler Carlos Torres Lucas Harrell*** (due to missing time to injury, I am not sure he falls in here) Ehren Wassermann Fernando Hernandez There may be others as well. And I agree, I think we will put up a thread in FS listing the FA's and the Rule V eligibles, for reference.

QUOTE (kapkomet @ Sep 29, 2009 -> 09:45 AM) This guy (Latimer) is a f***tard. Sounds like this Thiessen guy is too. But whatever, these medals are at Presidential discretion, so they can do what they want to. Its a shame that BushCo had such a narrow and uneducated world view, but not really surprising, and not really anything we should care about too much.

Also, here are the dates they will release the lists for other leagues we have teams in... South Atlantic League October 2 Carolina League October 6 Southern League October 8 International League October 13 And might have some names worth watching, since we have gotten some players from them recently... Independent Leagues October 15

QUOTE (danman31 @ Sep 28, 2009 -> 04:31 PM) Someone asked about there being no Voyagers on the list and the response was that Colligan was discussed, but Collop was the closest. It's not a big surprise because GF has the older draft talent and this year the top picks went to Bristol or Kanny. Any other GF quips in the chat?

Some asshole on Facebook created and distributed a poll asking if Obama should be killed. USSS is investigating, and the poll is of course no longer available.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 29, 2009 -> 07:50 AM) Realistically, how many of those guys would have a chance of being picked? Gartrell, but I am sure he is going on the 40. Derek Rod could be drafted again, but he was quickly returned to the Sox. Besides that? Maybe Hynick, but I have to imagine he has a pretty good chance of going onto the 40 as well. Well first, I think some of the guys on his list are not eligible yet - Corley and Johnson for example. But I'd say these guys all could get picked up in the Rule V, from his list: Brandon Hynick Brian Omogrosso Kyle McCulloch Matt Long Christian Marrero Anthony Carter John Shelby Justin Cassell Stefan Gartrell Fernando Hernandez Derek Rodriguez That is most of the list. We won't protect all those guys. But I agree with danman, we seem to have a lot of guys eligible this year that might be appealing to other teams. Plus the various minor league FA's that might leave - that is a big turnover, potentially. I'd guess that we will protect Hynick, Marrero, Shelby and Gartrell. There are 3 open slots on the 40 right now, but I think you will see Cole Armstrong dropped, and Josh Fields with another club, which would leave 5 open slots.

QUOTE (Kenny Hates Prospects @ Sep 29, 2009 -> 12:06 AM) I think you're right. Like Balta said, we always seem to have a guy or two, but unlike players like Jay Marshall and stuff, we've got a few this year that could actually go somewhere and really compete for a job. Some of our better or bigger name prospects/non-prospects that should be eligible for the Rule-5 this year should we not add them to the roster: Brandon Hynick Brian Omogrosso Kyle McCulloch Matt Long Christian Marrero Anthony Carter John Shelby Justin Cassell Lee Cruz Tyson Corley Garrett Johnson Stefan Gartrell Jordan Cheetham Fernando Hernandez Derek Rodriguez Beyond that, both Wes Whisler and Donny Lucy should be free agents. I also believe that if Carlos Torres were to be removed from the 40-man then he too would be a minor league free agent (but he'd have to go through waivers anyway) so I could see the Sox making a decision between Torres and Hynick, since neither should project to join our staff. So clearly we've got a few guys here. Hynick, Marrero, Shelby, and Gartrell would be my guesses. I don't think anyone else gets added. It's a shame about Omogrosso because not only would he have been added to our roster, but he'd have had a great shot at making the ballclub next year. Edit: Actually Justin Edwards won't be involved as he signed at 18. So I'm taking him off the list here. To the list of minor league FA's, add David Cook and Ehren Wassermann.

QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Sep 28, 2009 -> 08:28 PM) Or spend the rest of their life in the Federal Pen at Marion enduring a living hell. The innocent people who get executed at least get put out of their misery. Prison terms can be ended with the person still alive. Prison is still living. Justice needs to be served, but justice does not require death. You can take your slippery slope all the way down to traffic tickets if you'd like - I personally draw the line at deciding life and death.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 28, 2009 -> 07:05 PM) Actually not paying for playoff tickets did not lose seniority. What lost seniority was paying for playoff tickets but asking for a refund for any unused money. The Sox unfortunately fell apart right when the deposit was due and a lot of accounts did not send in playoff money which is a change from last year. Not only will the Sox not have the extra playoff gates, they won't have as many accounts locked into next season which can hurt them if they want to raise prices again. If they could have won a couple more on the roadtrip from hell, they would have had a lot more of a commitment. Your logic is strange here. So you think that bringing in SOME more ticket holders (debatable how many) will equal NOT having as many accounts locked up as they would have WITHOUT the playoffs? Playoff tickets meant more people in, its quite clear. The only question is how many more, and of course we can only guess at that.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 28, 2009 -> 07:06 PM) Not true. Sure it is. You either had to pay the full invoice or lose your place - whether or not you did it as a partial refund after or not is semantics. Either way, you had to pay the amount, or lose your place. Here is what it said: so, I could ask to get a refund or not ask for tickets, and either way, lose my place.

QUOTE (danman31 @ Sep 28, 2009 -> 04:31 PM) Someone asked about there being no Voyagers on the list and the response was that Colligan was discussed, but Collop was the closest. It's not a big surprise because GF has the older draft talent and this year the top picks went to Bristol or Kanny. Ciolli not discussed? That kind of surprises me. But yeah, didn't figure GF to make a big dent.

Pioneer League is in - No Sox. I thought Ciolli had a shot at it, maybe Colligan too, but I guess not. Wickswat is interesting on that team, so is Buch but his control hot him. Next league up with Sox players in it would be the SAL, for Kannapolis, and I'd think we'll see some names pop up there... Jared Mitchell for one, and then a bunch of pitchers maybe.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 28, 2009 -> 03:47 PM) Here's where some of that geology knowledge comes in to play. Most of the cities in the Middle east have grown up around 1 resource; water. Since it's so dry, you can only build a city where you have easy access to water. This means either you need a legit river (Baghdad) or you need access to the aquifer. The water tables tend to sit pretty low in the ground, below where you'd conveniently dig most wells at, because there's not a lot of rain. Therefore, you need a place where the aquifer moves vertically along some path. The only vertical paths through those strata are fault lines. Where you have a fault, you wind up with several benefits; you're sitting next to a mountain range, which can sometimes cause extra orographic rain, or you can dig in to the mountain range and hit the aquifer where water travels upwards along the faults. This is exactly what happens in Iran, most of the major cities, including Tehran, grew up right next to mountain ranges because the faults lifting up the mountains are where the water comes in. In Tehran, they're literally building hospitals with great views on top of the active fault scarp. This type of fault and setup was what destroyed Bam, Iran, about a decade ago. It's going to destroy Tehran and most of the other cities in Iran eventually. But this also means you literally have a city that has grown up surrounding and on top of growing mountains. You can only tell so much from the Google Earth image resolution, but there certainly appears to be active ranges that cut right through the heart of the city, at both the SE, NE, and NW parts of the map. Now, I'm not in the goverment there, but if I were going to decide to put a hidden uranium enrichment facility somewhere in Iran, it'd be right in the heart of their holiest city buried underground inside one of those mountain ranges, so that it wasn't obvious from satellites that unusual construction was taking place, and so that you'd have to pound the Hell out of the area to legitimately hit the facility. The geology here is to their benefit; the mountains are the city, and the city is there because of the mountains. I'd bet this is exactly why their missile and satellite facilities are located in Qom, as well. With all the money they are pouring into nuclear research, do you think they didn't consult a geologist, or at least a geological map of some kind? Because I'm pretty confident they wouldn't build a complex like that right on top of a fault. Although, now that I think of it, maybe the US isn't so smart about this either. Los Alamos is not exactly in a geologically calm area, being near the Rio Grande Rift as well as the Jemez Caldera. But that was also the 1940's - the stuff is now built mostly at the Pantex facility outside Amarillo, which is geologically as low-risk as you can get. I don't know, but I'd think in the current age, they'd have thought to do some geological study first.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Sep 28, 2009 -> 03:10 PM) I believe MLB rules indicate that you do not have to purchase playoff tickets to keep your season tickets for the next season. Maybe I'm mistaken, but I was a season ticket holder for the Angels for years (first year I haven't been one in like 6 or 7 years) and you can opt out of playoff tickets without any impact to your season seats and from what our ticket rep said that is MLB standard. Now not buying playoff tickets could maybe hinder your chances of an upgrade but thats about it and my rep had told me it also didn't impact our upgrade potential. Again, maybe my rep was incorrect but I had the same seats for the whole time period and only bought playoff tickets half the time. This was expressed to us as season ticket holders via letter and email - in order to guarantee your 2010 season tickets in the same location, you had to buy playoff tickets. If you don't, yeah, MAYBE you can still be a season holder, but you lose your place in line.

QUOTE (kapkomet @ Sep 28, 2009 -> 03:17 PM) Of course not. They also couldn't take out both nuke facilities AND all their long and medium range missle AND their air superiority fleet AND their air power extending aircraft AND the ordinances for those. I just listed everything that could hit Israel, and Israel cannot take them all down fast enough to remove their ability to strike back.

QUOTE (kapkomet @ Sep 28, 2009 -> 03:16 PM) Extension of benefits doesn't go past a year at this point, although Congress is working on it for states with unemployment above 8.5% I believe IL already did it. But regardless, as I said, the statistical understanding is key here. On the one hand. 9.x% isn't really the number of unemployed, the number is higher. But its also true that we are replacing stronger months still (until about two months from now), so a decrease in rate is actually non-deceptive as to trend.