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QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Jan 12, 2009 -> 03:55 PM) That seems to be the goal of Hamas, and the arab world in general. And with everyone screaming about 'proportional' responses, why not? (For the record, I am being a smartass here, to a degree. ) I hope so, given the bolded. That's a billion or so people you just indicted.

QUOTE (BearSox @ Jan 12, 2009 -> 03:35 PM) I'm not really up to date on this as I try to avoid the news as much as possible now, but I don't see any problems with anyone bombing the s*** out of Hamas. Hamas is no good scum, and should be have the s*** bombed out of them. If civilians die, oh well, get used to it. It's freaking WAR! Sure, it sucks for the innocent people who are harmed and killed, and I do truly feel sorry for them and hope God has mercy on their souls, but war isn't suppossed to be pleasant. And when you have terrorists like Hamas using public places and schools as hideouts for their operations, there isn't much of a choice. Call me callas, call me cold hearted, call me whatever, but terrorist scum like Hamas needs to be destroyed. So, you don't have any idea what's going on, but you are OK with bombing the s*** out of a mostly civilian population as a response? Why bother discussing it or posting in the thread if you can't be bothered to have a clue what is going on? If you want to ignore it, ignore it.

QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Jan 12, 2009 -> 03:13 PM) Why, because Paul Konerko's numbers during his peak years (1999-2006 or so) aren't as impressive because a bunch of the "better" numbers around him were achieved in large part due to steroid use? I think comparing their numbers (if we assume both of them were clean, which i'm going to) is logicial. It's not like they played 50 to 100 years apart. Rice played the heart of his career in the 70's, Konerko the late 90's early 2000's. They are not remotely comparable eras, and Konerko shouldn't sniff a HOF ballot (unless he suddenly turns it on and has about 5+ career-best-like seasons).

QUOTE (chunk23 @ Jan 12, 2009 -> 02:30 PM) Henderson should've been unanimous. Rice shouldn't have gotten in. He has no better case than Raines, Dawson, or Baines. Blyleven really should be in and it's a joke he's not. Rice played in a different era than Raines, Dawson or Baines - keep that in mind as well. There are also other factors, like postseason, dominance in a given period, and their general effect on the game. Its more than just raw numbers.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Jan 12, 2009 -> 02:16 PM) Derek Jeter would be a surefire 1st ballot inductee if he retired right now. Maybe. I'm not so sure. Probably.

QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ Jan 12, 2009 -> 02:04 PM) This better hold true and Jeter better not get 100%, if he's the first one to get 100% it will be a huge joke Way too early to tell if he even gets in.

QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Jan 12, 2009 -> 01:32 PM) I really can't wait till frank is on the ballot, that will be awesome. I will have to try and make to his ceremony. Shame though Bert didn't get in and Rock got so few votes. And who didn't vote for Ricky? He was the best leadoff hitter ever! No one gets 100%, basically. Some folks apparently think that no one in the modern age should be in.

QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Jan 12, 2009 -> 12:47 PM) D.B. Cooper? Kyyle beat you by about 11 minutes.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 12, 2009 -> 01:31 PM) Or just that Gupta would be a great communicator as Surgeon General. That too. And other factors I'm sure.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 12, 2009 -> 01:14 PM) How about Greenspan bubble #1? That's part of the story. US consumers, though, carry the biggest blame.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 12, 2009 -> 01:13 PM) Depending on the type of package he puts together...yes, you'll be able to. This package will make the economy his almost as much as the new deal did for FDR. If he screws this up by wasting it on poorly-designed, impossible-to-implement, low-multiplier business tax cuts...then if it turns out not to be enough to avoid the deflationary spiral that is still on the horizon, then he'll deserve a majority of the blame for that, because he'll have wasted his best shot. And still, you can't really say how it worked out right away. Nothing in the 2009 economy should really be on Obama's doorstep, good or bad. Even a gigantic stimulus/jobs/energy package won't come to fruition right away. Just can't happen.

QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ Jan 12, 2009 -> 01:24 PM) he was rejected by the veterans weeks ago He might be talking about Dawson. Baines stays alive, barely, with 5.9%. Grace falls out - another Cub. Blyleven, Raines and Dawson, IMO, are all obvious picks. They should get in. I can't believe how low Raines' vote numbers are.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 12, 2009 -> 01:07 PM) Once he signs off on the stimulus package, B.O. is going to own this economy pretty quickly. He'll own it more than many previous Presidents, but you can't logically fault or credit him (or both) until a number of years later.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 12, 2009 -> 01:09 PM) I argued with MANY people on here who STILL call the 2001 recession the Bush recession. On here? Really? I wasn't around then so I don't know. But that really is ridiculous. I don't see how any President can be blamed for an economy their first year in office. That's ridiculous.

Rumor is, Rickey Henderson and Jim Rice made it. I can't find any official link yet.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 12, 2009 -> 12:49 PM) Heck no, I am waiting for March 1st so I can blame the entire economy on Obama, just like was done to Bush in 2001 I can think of no one who did that, and I don't recall anyone in 2001 blaming the economy on Bush. I'm sure there were a few haters who did - the kind of people who like to hate on everything and anything. Except, I'd like to think we are all smarter than that here. Bush was no more at fault for the 2001 economy than Obama would be in 2009.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 12, 2009 -> 12:12 PM) I'd just like some consistancy. I could respect that. Don't insult people's intelligence by using one excuse in one case, and then do the exact opposite in something that is not as politically poisonous. Obama does one thing consistently - avoids announcing plans or ideas to problems until his team has worked them over for a while. You could see this as being good or bad, or a bit of both, depending on the situation. This falls right into that. And its one area where Obama is the opposite of Bush.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 12, 2009 -> 12:14 PM) Stupid? Yes. Corrupt? I don't buy it. I know the Feds did this investigation, but I fully believe that there were forces behind behind it. I am sure there were a whole lot more people willing to cooperate and give information in this mess, than say investigating a Rich Daley. Oh, there were definitely locals that cooperated, I am sure of it. But I actually believe that Fitzgerald tends to go for big wins - big fish, but also easy-to-catch ones. He's shown he's not really one for political favor jobs. And the Feds have, in fact, investigated Daley, continue to do so, and some of his cronies have fallen victim.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 12, 2009 -> 12:16 PM) Apparently it was over universal health care which Gupta took the arguments of Moore's film and argued against them. I would kind of surprised if Obama really did want someone against universal coverage in office. You can be against Moore's views, and still support universal coverage in some fashion. I think the Gupta request makes it appear that's exactly Obama's view.

QUOTE (kyyle23 @ Jan 12, 2009 -> 12:25 PM) http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/01/12/florida.p...rash/index.html Im guessing this story is going to get stranger as it comes out As I recall, a hijacker did this once in the US. Hijacked a cargo jet or something, got some money somehow (at a stop maybe), and then later parachuted out of the plane. And wasn't ever found.

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Jan 12, 2009 -> 09:12 AM) And stupidity and violence do not equal each other. What is the worst thing a Christian group has tried to do lately? ban a book? And abortion clinic bombers dont count because they weren't supported by any mainstream christian church. And the crusades go too far back. Dunk a crucifix in piss and what do you get? Stern words from Christians and maybe a boycot of the gallery. Dunk a stautue of Muhamed in piss and what do you get? No more gallery, no more artist, riots in the street, if the artist was jewish you would have temples vandalized and/or burned. At every pro-Pali protest you see signs calling for the death of jews, sometimes the death of America, and so on. Go to a Pro-Israel rally, you will see counter protesors trying to start fights with the Jews. You say recognizing this sort of behavior and publishing it gets us no where. I say ignoring it gets us no where. The average person needs to see this crap coming from the Islam side, but instead all they get are fed reports of Israel shooting missles into Gaza. Barely a mention of the non-stop rocket attacks the weeks preceding, which were supposed to be a cease-fire. And then you get headlines like "Israel ignores call for a truce!", while completely ignoring the fact that hamas als ignores that same call, at least until they are out of ammo. THEN they want the truce so they can have time to rearm. I am really sort of suprised that there hasn't been a thread about Israel invading Gaza yet. Is it because even Israel's detractors can see that enough is enough? "Get the Jews out of gaza and there will be peace", they said. They have been out for 3 years, and the rocket attacks number in the thousands. The whole difference between the two sides there is that if the terrorists were to lay down their arms tomorrow and start being peacefull, the Pali's would have a paradise, by comparison to today, within 2 years and the Israeli's would keep to themselves. If the Israeli's were to lay down their arms tomorrow, there would be no more Israel by the end of the week. Ultimately, the single biggest reason why Israel/Palestine is such a mess is the really bad decision made to create the Israeli state in that location and in that way, in the first place. But dealing in the present... I have a very simple belief on this sort of thing: if you make it about religion, no matter the religion, you lose. It never, ever results in anything good. The best possible thing to do is focus on actions and behavior, as if it were crime. You then act against that. Comparing bad acts of religions is pointless - they don't represent the entire population of those religions, nor even their beliefs. The bad acts are people using religion as an excuse.

QUOTE (BearSox @ Jan 12, 2009 -> 09:29 AM) Or we could keep Dye and sign pitching. Unless we plan on moving Dye for another prospect like Homer Bailey. QUOTE (lostfan @ Jan 12, 2009 -> 10:27 AM) Hi BearSox. I'm The Point. Nice to meet you. Thank you. Also, yes, if we could sign pitching, that works well too. Its just something that could be hard to do.

QUOTE (BearSox @ Jan 12, 2009 -> 09:10 AM) I don't understand this obsession people have for Abreu. It'd make sense if we had a hole at LF, RF, or DH, but we don't. It would not make any sense to trade JD and then go out and sign Abreu, as JD is the better player. Because its not a matter of having Dye or Abreu. Its a matter of having Dye or [Abreu + Pitching].

"Waive" him in? Is that what the Sox would have to do with him if he played CF? If we trade Dye or PK, I'd love to see Abreu come to the Sox, but as a corner OF.

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Jan 12, 2009 -> 07:51 AM) No, this one was in Oslo, I believe. Watch the video later, you see children covered in (fake?) blood being held out in front of adults as they approach the police line and try to break thru, and some people start tossing fireworks into the police line, and just a complete mess. OK, I'll watch it later. But I'll say again, this sort of thing being labeled as specific to Islam is entirely inaccurate. I could easily start a "crusade" of noting every time a Christian person does something horrifically stupid, and pointing out the "religion of stupidity", or some such nonsense. It gets us nowhere, and misses the point entirely.