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QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jul 20, 2005 -> 12:41 AM) Very much so, because there's a lot of factors to consider. This time next season, if he's still in Charlotte and getting hammered, then we can be entitled to start getting a bit anxious, but I don't think that'll be the case. Realistically, he should be in this starting rotation by the start of the 2007 season. As I said earlier, THIS is the year. No better time than now. We still do not know if he will pan out. We still dont know if we will win the division or not. We still dont know if we can go far in thew playoffs. Nothing is certain. IMO, I think it is a better deal to go for it this year with the assistance of Schmidt and not wait for BMac to pan out, good or bad. This is the year. Not 2007.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jul 20, 2005 -> 12:36 AM) On how many MLB teams would Jose Contreras be a #3 starter on? I'd think you'd be suprised. s***ty rotations. Losing teams. :headshake

QUOTE(fathom @ Jul 20, 2005 -> 12:39 AM) I might be Mr. Negative, but I know my baseball, and McCarthy isn't a cant-miss prospect like he was being billed by some. Thus, since he's not a guaranteed superstar, if you can parlay him into a difference maker for the franchise, you take your chances. Agreed.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jul 20, 2005 -> 12:37 AM) Atleast you have the ability to reason unlike some people who are just stubborn as hell. Since you are obviously talking about the one and only, I will reiterate, for the 29,385th time, I am not giving up on BMac. I still feel he can have a great career and hopefully for the Sox. I just think that his value is high, Contreras is a toss up every time, and Shingo has been figured out. This is the year. Not 2006. Not 2007. Not when BMac is ready. Schmidt will help us iimmensiley this year. BMac, not so much.

QUOTE(fathom @ Jul 20, 2005 -> 12:37 AM) Says who. I know a lot of 35 year olds that had the maturity of a nickle. Wow, I really needed that laugh.

QUOTE(ScottPodRulez22 @ Jul 20, 2005 -> 12:35 AM) and i was also saying the you cant compare a 21 year old to a 35 year old Contreras probably loses confidence quicker than BMac though. Contreras is such a headcase it is sickening.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jul 20, 2005 -> 12:35 AM) Which is why I was saying the great ST was probably the last thing he needed. They were bound to catch up with him eventually. So you're saying it was a fluke?

QUOTE(ScottPodRulez22 @ Jul 20, 2005 -> 12:33 AM) Im trying to say young people lose confidence more easy then older players But Contreras loses confidence quicker than a 12 year old playing a video game.

QUOTE(ScottPodRulez22 @ Jul 20, 2005 -> 12:30 AM) Contreas= 35 Bmac= 21 Thats a big differnce Schmidt= 32

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jul 20, 2005 -> 12:29 AM) So that doesn't mean Marte's automatically going to pick it up and perform like he did in the past. What about Kevin Walker after 2000? Cotts and B-Mac are very similar, and you're seeing the rewards in developing one of them so far. To me, you just lost all credibilty you ever had and ever will have be comparing Marte to Walker.

QUOTE(ScottPodRulez22 @ Jul 20, 2005 -> 12:27 AM) Its hard to learn when you have no confidence A hah! Look at Contreras, how is he to learn and better himself, especially in the postseason....without confidence?????

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jul 20, 2005 -> 12:24 AM) So you would say based on this season, Marte has been better than Cotts? And Neal Cotts didn't pitch in AAA ball, he came straight from Birmingham. He has never pitched in Charlotte. Based on this season, yes, Cotts is better than Marte but the difference is that Marte has shown previous MLB dominance in which case BMac hasn;t shown in AAA or MLB. And the AAA for Cotts was a typo....

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jul 20, 2005 -> 12:20 AM) Gio seems to be on the same path that Brandon went through. Next year we might have a discussion like this about Gio you never f'n know, what DBAHO is saying is right on, he got through the system so quickly and impressed the hell out of Ozzie, Ozzie wanted him up with the big league club, he's not ready(not overrated) and he struggled for 60 percent of his starts, the end. Let him work out some kinks in the minors and we'll have ourselves one hell of a pitcher within the next year or two. If Gio continues success in A, succeeds in AA, has a wonderful ST and then is put in BMac's position, it would be plain stupid. BMac was sorely misused and mistreated. I agree, BMac should not be in AAA, therefore, further backing my belief that he is not ready and has amounted to nothing yet...

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jul 20, 2005 -> 12:19 AM) He's still only 190 pounds, he's going to bulk up in the next few years and probably add a few more MPH like you said he needs. It's like Neal Cotts. In SoxFan's books, he wouldn't have done anything 2 months ago. Now he's probably our most dominating lefty out of the pen. And that's because the Sox had PATIENCE with him at the major league level, even though the majority of Sox fans were calling for him to have his ass demoted to Charlotte ASAP. It takes TIME. Contrary to Cotts, BMac never had previous AAA success of even a sliver of MLB success. Cott's was groomed into what he is today. No, he is not our most dominationg lefty out of the pen. He is 2nd, behind Marte. Duh....

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jul 20, 2005 -> 12:16 AM) Overrated are players that make more than they should, and players that get pumped up in the media when they don't deserve to. A lot of White Sox fans would tell you that Paul Konerko is overrated. Many smart fans would say BMac is overrated. Money has little to do with being overrated. Especially if you are a prospect. You can't argue with PK's production, you CAN argue with BMac's production. After ST, everyone thought BMac was ready for the bigs. He blew in AAA, we brought him up, and he blew in MLB. Moot point...

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jul 20, 2005 -> 12:15 AM) Take away his MLB starts. To say he only has 3 wins is not a good argument when you see how bad Charlotte has been this season. He has a 86/20 K/BB ratio. All he has to do is cut down on the long balls. If he starts the year in AA, he would have an ERA of around 2, and people wouldn't call him overrated, in fact people would be putting him on a pedestal. It's not fair for you to base on what he's done when it counts, when he's only 21, and only has 1/2 a season of experience above AA ball. It's like take Gio Gonzalez out of Winston - Salem right now, promoting him to Chicago, he gives up 6 ER in a start, gets demoted, and people are saying he's overrated. Comparing him to Gio is totally different. Gio is rated as one of our top pitching prospects. He is succeding in A ball. Gio hasn't pitched in AA, AAA, or Spring Training.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jul 20, 2005 -> 12:14 AM) You just don't get it. I'm done. OK, I don't get it. Bye bye....

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jul 19, 2005 -> 11:45 PM) So would you say the Roberto Alomar trades were worth it? Yes Schmidt would probably improve this team (I say probably because if he goes back to his early season form then he won't), but not for that cost. You're giving up a #3 starter, a reliever who's had closer experience and your #1 pitching prospect. So now Count is a #3 starter? I dont think so.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jul 20, 2005 -> 12:11 AM) God damn it. He shouldn't even be in AAA right now. He should have started the year in AA. He has struggled at Charlotte which is a f***ing bandbox and he struggled in the majors because he shouldn't even be there. We shouldn't even be having this discussion seeing how he should still be in B-Ham putting up sick numbers and dominating AA. IT'S TOO f***ING LATE NOW HUH? You can't change that s***. He IS in AAA, he WAS brought up, he DIDN'T produce, and that is it. He hasn't done s*** in my book. Spring Training, like YOU said, is just Spring Training. His 2004, 2003, and 2002 stats mean jack s*** right now. Wow, Sammy Sosa had 60 home runs in 2003, he is awesome!

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jul 20, 2005 -> 12:10 AM) I wouldn't call it overrated. I'd call it people pumping him up before he's ready. Wow

QUOTE(fathom @ Jul 20, 2005 -> 12:08 AM) I'm not going to disagree that he shouldn't be up. But come on, you know as well as I do that many on here thought McCarthy was going to come up and have a 3.50 ERA while striking out 7 a game. 99pct of Sox fans had too high of expectations for McCarthy. In my book, that's called being overrated. Agreed. And DBAH0, yes, I am basing it on what he has done when it counts. A combined 3-8 with a 6.745 ERA for a top prospect is overrated and underachieveing.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jul 20, 2005 -> 12:05 AM) Yes, go look at his numbers from 2003 and 2004 in the minors and tell me he's underrated. When you pitch that well and dominate like he did you deserve to be touted as a major prospect. I never said he wasn't a major prospect. He IS the SOx top prospect but he is, like fathom said, very overrated. He got his shot and underachieved. I am not giving up on him whatsoever. Like I said, I wish him success with the Sox but he just hasn't shown me anything. BTW, the only stat that matters is Wins and Losses. 3-7 with Charlotte, 0-1 with the Sox. Besides, he has a 6.745 combined ERA in AAA/MLB.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jul 20, 2005 -> 12:03 AM) This is his FIRST season above AA ball. At least give him a few seasons to see how he performs before completely writing him off. You don't think last year's numbers said he was not going to be successful some day? I said earlier that I am NOT writing him off. I honestly hope he becomes a very successful pitcher for the Sox if he doesn't get traded. What I'm saying is that he is highly overrated by people here.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jul 20, 2005 -> 12:02 AM) Did you see his K to BB ratio in the minors? Did you see how many strikeouts he had? Did you see his ERA? Have you ever looked at his stats? Do you even know who he is? He is not overrated. It was not just 1 spring training, it was 2 years in the minors. You have now lost all credibility, not that you had any to begin with. Oh, because what you presented in that post offered so much to that argument...

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jul 20, 2005 -> 12:00 AM) And you're saying Brandon McCarthy is probably going to join them on evidence of what he's done so far this year? Who's to say that he might not? What has he done to prove he will be successful?