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QUOTE (Kenny Hates Prospects @ Aug 10, 2008 -> 06:42 PM) I still remember the Cleveland Assholes playing that song "The Night Chicago Died" or whatever it was during 2006. I remember us playing Warrant's "Cherry Pie" right after Chuck Finley's then-wife Tawney Kitean kicked the crap out of him back in 2002. That was priceless.

QUOTE (joeynach @ Aug 10, 2008 -> 02:30 PM) If we did get washburn we would probably just be getting the LH version of Contreras, at least in terms of ERA. Washburn is much better at holding runners on, albeit he is a lefty. AT USCF career Washburn is 3-4 with a 3.92 ERA and 1.11 WHIP, he has given up 11 HRs in about 60 IP. Thats the one thing to worry about with this guy at our park, if u equate that to 200 IP that would be about 37 HRs given up, not good. He would be another Gavin Floyd type, prone to the long ball in hitters parks like USCF, Ballpark at Arlington, etc. Though he would probably do well in places like DET and KC. All in all if we landed him I wouldn't expect anything better than around a .500 pitcher with a 4-4.5 ERA, not bad but not great either. The problem is anyone that trades for him is on the hook for 10.35M next year, and I dont think I would want this guy pitching 50% of his games at USCF. And the flip side of that is that we get a veteran #5 pitcher next season as well, with minimum financial investment (in comparison to signing a FA in the off-season). We all know that Kenny isn't going to sign Sabathia and that there's nothing in our farm system that's ML-ready yet. Agreed that Byrd is the better option for this year alone, but Washburn might be the better overall investment.

QUOTE (joeynach @ Aug 10, 2008 -> 12:28 PM) Well look on the bright side on losing Jose. It will force the Sox hand to acquire another starting pitcher, perhaps not for 08, but defiantly for 09. That means we will probably get someone younger and more talented I don't know about more talented, but at the very least it'll force Kenny to get somebody less injury-prone. I really appreciate what Jose has done for this team, but I was really hoping that Kenny would deal him this winter, regardless of how he may have pitched down the stretch. In that regard, Jose's injury just moved up the inevitable.

QUOTE (EvilJester99 @ Aug 10, 2008 -> 02:12 PM) Dotel came up huge there.... awesome win! It seems like Dotel is feast or famine. When's Linebrink scheduled to return?

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 10, 2008 -> 02:09 PM) I'm not so sure...Danks is closer to Buehrle than he is to being a pure power (see Verlander/Prior), high effort type of pitcher. Unless you're talking about Jamie Moyer or a knuckleballer, it doesn't really matter. And Danks routinely throws 91-93, which isn't exactly Mark Buehrle territory. Blackburn and Perkins are three and two years older than Danks, respectively, and both have more minor league innings on their arms. Danks has had a pretty light workload over the years... 2003: 26 IP (age 18) 2004: 105 IP 2005: 156 IP 2006: 140 IP 2007: 139 IP (age 22) You don't let a 23-year-old throw 200 innings - plus more innings in the playoffs - with that history. Verlander was 22 back in '06 and, despite pitching in college, was limited to 186 innings in '06. One could argue that even that was too much, given his loss in velocity and general struggles this year.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 10, 2008 -> 09:44 AM) Ummmm....why would we want to trade Poreda, exactly? Because he throws the ball hard and he's left-handed and someone will give us another Josh Hamilton or Carlos Quentin for him magically? It seems that developing his secondary pitches and having him pitch for the Sox (under Cooper's supervision) would be a smarter move for a team that hasn't developed another starter of their own for a decade nearly (Garland/Buerhle) I absolutely agree. And I'll add that the Sox shouldn't be in a hurry to rush Poreda to the bigs.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 10, 2008 -> 12:36 PM) Well, if that's definitely the case, I think the White Sox should just limit him to 75 pitches or 5 innings or whatever (after September 1st) and not shut him down. It's hard to imagine that they are just going to sit our best pitcher for the rest of the season in the heat of a pennant race. They'll shut him down, just like they did last season and like the Tigers shut down Verlander in their pennant race a couple of years ago. Danks only threw 139 innings last season and he's currently at 137 1/3. I don't see them letting him throw more than 160. Kenny saw what the Cubs did to Wood and Prior and isn't going to let that happen to his young studs.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 10, 2008 -> 11:27 AM) That would be fine...but the time to make that pick-up is in Spring Training, not out of sheer desperation. If we're going for it this season, the time is now. Danks is going to have to be shut down next month, so we're going to need TWO new starters, not jut one. If the M's want Poreda, they can keep dreaming.

QUOTE (Frankensteiner @ Aug 10, 2008 -> 10:48 AM) Byrd not having a $9M contract for next season puts him a tier above Washburn. Yeah, it would really suck if the Sox had a veteran 5th starter at their disposal next season. Who in the heck is going to take Jose's place in the rotation next season? Carrasco? Broadway? The optimistic end of Jose's prognosis is a return in late July next year. His career very well may be over. Washburn has averaged an ERA+ of 94 over the past three seasons. That's not exactly terrible and isn't far below Jose's numbers. Given that their salaries are approximately equal and that Jose's is likely insured, Washburn would only cost us a few million. If the Sox are truly going for it this year and next year as well, he'd be a fine #5 starter on our staff. Heck, he's a solid #4 on most teams. The problem with Washburn isn't his contract or that he sucks. It's what the Mariners are reportedly asking for him. Even the free-spending Yankees weren't able to come to terms with them. I imagine that they'd want Poreda, and Kenny will probably (rightfully) refuse. It'll be interesting to see what the Jndians want for Byrd.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Aug 10, 2008 -> 08:14 AM) I personally think it'd be the worst move to pick up Washburn. The guy is horrendous. Not really. His WHIP is bad this season, but his ERA+ has been around 100 over the previous two seasons. He's about as good as Contreras and costs about the same, so it'd be a lateral move. I don't think that having Washburn as our #5 for a year and a half would be a bad thing, especially since nobody in our minor league system is ML-ready yet and it's imperative that we limit the wear and tear on Danks and Floyd's arms. But I think it'll be a moot point anyway, as the Mariners are reportedly asking for a ton in return. I agree that Byrd is a much better fit, although he's not exactly a tier above Washburn.

QUOTE (Frankensteiner @ Aug 10, 2008 -> 08:54 AM) if Kenny was counting on a 36-to-50 year old pitcher with a bad elbow to be a quality starter the rest of the way he is beyond stupid. That same guy was throwing pretty well earlier this season, threw pretty well last night before the injury, and was dominating the AL two years ago. Agreed that Kenny should've gone after another starter at the deadline, but let's not call the guy who got Quentin and Alexei for nothing stupid.

QUOTE (tommy @ Aug 9, 2008 -> 05:17 PM) This is minimum 6 month break, based on his age, I'd say 1 full year also. I seem to remember Mike Brown coming back in less than 12 months a few years back, but he's also a lot younger than Jose. Damn, that sucks. Jose's a warrior. Dude's arm took an absolute beating in Cuba and he still had enough left in the tank to dominate in late '05/early '06. Thanks for everything, Jose. Sox fans will always remember 2005, and it wouldn't have happened without you. QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 9, 2008 -> 05:43 PM) Damn. This throws everything totally off. Jose's contract is now unmovable this offseason (any chance they had insurance on his deal of any sort?) I certainly hope that his contract was insured. Kenny's going to get some attrition money from Crede and Cabrera (and Uribe, if he leaves), but it'd be nice to get more from Jose. Yeah, I was really hoping that we'd deal him this winter as well. Oh well. QUOTE (Kenny Hates Prospects @ Aug 9, 2008 -> 06:52 PM) Jarrod Washburn, Paul Byrd, and Greg Maddux are players that have cleared waivers. Washburn and Maddux could end up giving us better production than our Triple A guys, although I don't know about Paul Byrd. I don't know if I'd want to take on Washburn's contract, but Kenny's going to have to sign a veteran arm if he's serious about staying in the race. I don't want them rushing Poreda and I don't consider Broadway or a washed-up Freddy to be viable options. (Although signing Freddy on the cheap for mop-up duty might not be a bad idea.) Not only does Jose's spot have to be permanently filled, but it'd likely that Danks will have to be shut down. I'd like to see somebody like Washburn/Maddux/Byrd in the fifth spot, with Carrasco staying in long-relief for now and starting in Danks' spot next month.

QUOTE (letsgoarow @ Aug 9, 2008 -> 08:08 PM) Second that. Especially with how young Danks and Floyd are. If anything, they're going to have to ADD another starter (on top of whoever replaces Jose) so that they can shut down Danks next month as a precaution.

So, I've pretty much given up on Joe contributing to this team from here on out. If his condition improves, great, but I'm not holding my breath. If he needs to be shelved to be healthy for next year, so be it. I want Joe to be able to bend over and tie his shoes when he's 50. Oh, and congrats, Steff. Well worth it indeed.

QUOTE (YASNY @ Aug 9, 2008 -> 04:36 AM) That write up was fabulous, and perfectly defines Juan's place in Whie Sox history. Excellent work. +1

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Aug 9, 2008 -> 07:12 AM) How unfortunate. He was a very good man, a fun comedian, and really enjoyed life. He'll be missed. +1 Fifty is way too young. Thoughts and prayers go out to his family.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 8, 2008 -> 06:23 PM) I was just going through some of the stats. Carlos Quentin is literally god-like in close games. Before tonight, Close and late, 1.160 OPS. Innings 7-9 in general, 1.100. Eat your heart out Ortiz. Those are MVP type numbers. If the Sox make the playoffs, I think that he has it. He's surpassed Hamilton in HRs, OBP, and SLG. Good God, our 'pen has been awful. When is Linebrink scheduled to return?

QUOTE (southsideirish71 @ Aug 7, 2008 -> 08:27 PM) Wasserman needs to get Knighted. Not to defend Wasserman in general, but that pitch was about three inches off the ground. IMO, it was more of a great hit by Maggs than a bad pitch by Ehren.

It's tough to sweep any team, especially one with solid players like the Tigers. We need a bare minimum of a split against the Sawks now. A competent third base coach would be helpful as well.

QUOTE (lostfan @ Aug 7, 2008 -> 03:15 PM) It feels so good to not have to see him anymore. It feels even better to see Danks emulating him.

QUOTE (TheBigHurt @ Aug 7, 2008 -> 06:36 PM) Cox strikes again. IIRC, this is the second time in the past week. Most people would've taken JT's ridiculously slow half-jog to third as evidence that he probably wasn't going to make it. Please bring back Wavin' Wallace. At least he knew when to send runners. QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Aug 7, 2008 -> 06:57 PM) It's mute now. That would be "moot." Unless you couldn't care less. Sorry, grammatical pet peeves. Carry on...

QUOTE (lostfan @ Aug 6, 2008 -> 07:43 PM) John Motherf***ing Danks Working that low-and-away changeup like Johan Motherf***ing Santana.

QUOTE (YASNY @ Aug 6, 2008 -> 08:54 AM) Uribe is very valuable as a utility man. I don't want him starting, but he has a place in MLB and I wouldn't mind it if he stayed with the Sox. He would probably have to take a paycut to stay with the Sox as a utility guy, as I don't see Kenny giving him a three-year, $13.5 million deal to ride the pine for the majority of the week. But if Juan were OK with, say, a three-year, $9 million deal, I'd be happy to have him stick around for a while longer.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Aug 6, 2008 -> 08:27 AM) Over the course of his contract, I think that signing will prove better than Paul Konerko's extension. Yep. Dye's arguably been the best hitter on this team over the past 2 1/2 years. And he still has at least a couple more productive years left.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 6, 2008 -> 05:45 AM) Well, if I had to choose, I'd rather have Uribe at 3B than Casey Blake. You want Uribe's bat in the lineup all of next season? I sure as hell don't. He'd be a good Plan B if the Sox can't come to terms with a better player. He'd have value as a utility infielder/defensive sub as well. But I think that the Sox can do better than Uribe.