sox4lifeinPA

Nice accent.... New Jersey? well, put another shrimp on the bar-b

QUOTE(Jeckle2000 @ Feb 22, 2005 -> 12:35 PM) I agree. I would never dream of trying to call any of these people. It's just pointless. It's not like they would answer anyway. because Jesus/The Incredible Hulk is SO classy.... *sigh* back to the geo-politics thread...

QUOTE(sox4lifeinPA @ Feb 22, 2005 -> 07:23 AM) Nicely put winodj, but I dont get why ethnicity and sexual orientation are above religious faith on the offense meter. That's the basis of my question. I care more about my faith than some people do about either of those things, as many others I would assume. edit: and just because you find one gay joke funny and not another doesn't make that gay joke not funny. If we have to pass humor through that kind of filter then this place will be ridiculously boring. futhermore, I don't find "buddy Jesus" funny, but I don't go seeking to ban people over it. I sit and discuss why it's not funny.

Nicely put winodj, but I dont get why ethnicity and sexual orientation are above religious faith on the offense meter. That's the basis of my question. I care more about my faith than some people do about either of those things, as many others I would assume.

I nominate Blu Cantrell as least likely to be called from the Paris Hilton phone list,

I'm not a crack pot end times guy, so I couldn't tell you. I'm just answering your question. I grew up a Christian and had many experiences being on the receiving end of ridicule... Not that I think I've had it nearly as hard as most black individuals, but I think it's very difficult a white person to understand the prejudices a black person faces. I just don't think non-christian, or non-born again believers rather, can grasp what I'm talking about.

I just IMed one of the guys on the Paris list.... he didn't respond

QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Feb 21, 2005 -> 06:13 PM) in all seriousness, have you ever read revalation?

How Was The Show? Wes Burdine and the Librarians (Wednesday, February 16th, 2005, Uptown Bar, Minneapolis) Wes Burdine - By David de Young Though his ambitious debut full-length album, This Is How I Discovered Gold came out last year, Wes Burdine was a totally new discovery for me just this past week. After an email of introduction the day before his show Wednesday at the Uptown Bar, I took a listen to the MP3’s on his website and was immediately hooked by his well-crafted, thought-provoking songs. Early in Burdine’s set came the title song and opening track of his CD. If the song sounds familiar, it’s because it has a bit of the feel of Fastball’s 1998 hit “The Way” in the chord progression of its verses; but that’s about where the comparison ends. The structure and tempo of the song are fitting for the tale of a metaphoric journey and lend themselves well to the feeling of plodding along. Up next was the song “A Sense of Duty” which starts out with gentle down-strummed acoustic guitar, and the lyric “I touched my forehead to feel the ash there.” (I encourage you to go read the rest of the lyrics on his website.) I can only make guesses about the possible spiritual underpinnings to this song as “Ash Wednesday,” which is referred to here, is the actual title of a song later on the disk. “A Sense of Duty” seems an incantation or decree as much as a song when Burdine sings “I declare a death to war and guns and bombs. (Maybe our prayers will be real by then.)” But despite the “oh no, not another sappy folk singer” alarm bells that may be ringing in your head, in Burdine’s hands, these words come off no hokier than U2’s “New Year’s Day.” The chorus hits you and sticks, a bit like the chorus to Peter Gabriel’s “Red Rain.” Burdine announced a new EP (The Jose Canseco EP) is in the works, expected in March, and that the next song, the mid-paced ballad "Prospects” will be on it. The next song was a slowcore highlight. With the seemingly pretentious title “A Postcard from John Lennon,” it again comes off as anything but. It’s clear from this song alone, that Burdine’s lyrics and the way he weaves them together with melody is the work of someone with good understanding of the art of songwriting. A rhyme scheme is there, but it's subtle, appropriate, and never seems forced like the lyrics of pop songs often do. Speaking of the words, though I enjoyed the album the first time through, I don’t think I appreciated it fully until my 5th listen when I read the lyrics as the songs played. One song that stood out lyrically was the song “Drawing on the Wall,” which reminded me of Ben Watt’s songwriting for Everything But The Girl. I still haven’t pinned down what it’s about. (A love relationship between a photographer and an institutionalized artist maybe?) But the point is these songs are worthy of serious attentiveness; the imagery is vivid and poetic, and your mind will start filling in stories of its own if the intended one isn’t clear. Lines like “You said, ‘It’s always better if you don't say a thing.’ You always said you'd ‘not say good-bye.’ I'm just waiting for hello again” can break your heart a little if they catch you off guard, like much of this album does. Taking as a whole, “This Is How I Discovered Gold” is nothing like what you might expect it to be when you first pop it into your CD player. There’s a surreal breakpoint about halfway through when Burdine covers the crooner standard “Can’t Help Falling In Love” while a mournful droning lingers in the background, and sounds piped in at the end or the song are reminiscent of the moans of dying cows that open up the song "Meat is Murder" by the Smiths. It’s not hard to see that this might be disturbing in the context of songs about peace, growing up, and self-study, let alone occurring in the background of this classic love song. The album then plows into “First Loves,” a far from sentimental, haunting backwards look at adolescence. Then comes a post-modernist-titled four section song of ending and acceptance? “The End Pt. 1, 2, 3 and 4.” On “Ash Wednesday” the sound of a needle stuck in the final groove of a record on a vintage phonograph is heard throughout in the background only to return again at the very end of the album But back to Wednesday’s show, “Come Home,” the extended closing song of the disk was played next. Country-ish and re-assuring, even if there’s still a profound sense of longing in the song, there seems to be at least a smidgen of hope that the person being asked to “come home” just might. Charissa Freeman provided lovely harmonies on this and other songs from her seat behind the keyboard. The next few songs “Dirt,” and “In the End” were new, and Burdine really picked up the pace, rocking out rather intensely for the first time all night. He admitted later in an email, “By the end of that set I had to bend over and catch my breath and was ready to fall over--I've never out-rocked myself before.” Drummer David Osborne, though he had called himself banter-challenged earlier in the evening, announced, “The human body can stand more rock than people give it credit for” as the band began its second to last number, a bouncy song called “Skin” which featured Burdine singing in a nicely done falsetto at times. Burdine dedicated the band’s final song Burdine to their favorite steroid using baseball player, “Jose Canseco.” I didn't catch all the words, but considering the thematic quality of “This is How I Discovered Gold,” I’m looking forward to the Jose Canseco EP. And I expect you'll be hearing a lot more about Wes Burdine soon. David de Young is [email protected]

QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Feb 21, 2005 -> 05:36 PM) It's fair to ask whether or not someone of faith has a 'choice' in the matter -- at least many believers think that way. Especially if you believe that God calls/chooses people. Fwiw -- I'm an atheist. It's usually more important to protect minorities, majorities aren't really 'threatened'. I think that's a lot of it. Anyway, religious humor is some of the best. "...we can do the next best thing...Let's kill people." I just don't get that. Aren't there more women on this planet than men? So we don't fight sexism because population totals? do you see why this is unsettling? it should be a universal thing. That's what I don't get from the left. why is that ok?

QUOTE(Steff @ Feb 21, 2005 -> 05:29 PM) LMAO.. One of the people in my office said their friend called Fred Durst and he answered.. said "no, you can not have an effing autograph" and hung up. Supposedly he called back and he then said "no, I will not take you to the Playboy Mansion". Sounds like he's having fun with it. Can't imagine why they just don't change their number's though.. Fred Durst has been out of work for a while now what else is he going to do???

It's probably some friend of the girl you're trying to call pretending to be FBI, but don't say anything stupid. side note: Frankie Muniz is getting back to me about Hillary duff's cell phone number

QUOTE(flippedoutpunk @ Feb 21, 2005 -> 05:06 PM) i have heard that people calling the numbers on the list are getting calls from the FBI right after.. so watch out guys, ur gona have a visit from solid snake himself if you dont stop harrassing these celebrities... didn't get through on any of them. regardless, no law has been broken if you don't say anything offensive or threathening.

"*09 9858 **** crank" any ideas what that might be???? lol

Did anyone Catch the name LINDSAY LOHAN?!?!?! hehe, she's on my cell phone list now:)

holy @#$! I'm eating a bowl of Samoan carmal fudge ice cream. Edy's has replaced Blue Bell as my favorite.

I'm trying to figure out the hiarchy of offending people, bear with me. black people can call each other "n*****s" homosexuals can call each other "queens and queers" The Rock can call us all "nancies" Anyone can use the word "Christian" and actually mean foolish, hypocritic bigot, instead follower of Christ on a serious note, however, I like the discussion so far. It's very intriguing. I intended this to be a serious look at why we make the decisions we do and what bias there might be towards a "popular" cause such as homosexuality. I originially felt like I was being Martha Stewart'ed when I received the banning. I do think that analogy fits, but stumbled upon this truth....she DID break the law. I can admit to that much, but as this thread has been stating, what then entails offensive material or slander? I can understand why "Someone Devastate My Backside" could be offensive to some, however, like the "Buddy Jesus" it's hilarious to others. It wasn't meant to be any more or less satiristic. Did I pick the wrong audience for my joke? yes. Do I have a right to say that if directed in general and not at a single person? definitely. Should I be making those remarks freely without thought of who might be reading? definitely not And I think that's the key. I think we can synthesize the points being made in this thread. We need to have an equal respect for every opinion. We don't have to like that opinion, in fact, that's encouraged I think that religious backgrounds should be equally protected as say sexual preferences. There's a world history of killing christians and that doesn't keep us from maligning that faith, yet a "board history" created a select group of yokels that were removed from this site, somehow justifies one group's opinions over another's? It just doesn't compute. sexism, racism, faithism... they're all bad for this site. The mods need to do what they need to do to keep this place appealing. I need to maintain a voice, like Flasoxxjim needs to, like Crimson needs to, etc. The dialogue regarding this issue and any issue needs to be kept open and protected. That's free speech.

glad to see this is taking off... gotta run to work. be back later. keep up the good thoughts.

QUOTE(Steff @ Feb 21, 2005 -> 08:25 AM) Even a broken clock is right twice a day PA.. HAHAHAHAHAHA.... I really did laugh out loud on that one. I don't care if Hall of Fame has a jesus Avatar. It offends me, but I'm not going to make a deal about it, likewise about the naked women, etc. I just don't understand the difference between a personal attack singling out one person and a sweeping attack a whole group of people. If I said I didn't like Sean Connery because he's a Scottish and he should die, that would be equally offensive if I said all Scotsmen should die.

QUOTE(Steff @ Feb 21, 2005 -> 08:14 AM) Oh.. there's a couple banned posters that PA couldn't hold a candle to in the b****ing and whining department. One, IIRC, is directly responsible for the "no gay talk" rule... lol, see I know I'm right if Steff gets anywhere close to my opinion

QUOTE(toasty @ Feb 20, 2005 -> 07:56 PM) Toasty's AllStars is registered, but draft time might be a problem for me...i hate work! Sunday @ 7 or 8 would be better for me. I agree Sunday night would be better.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Feb 21, 2005 -> 03:01 AM) I like the sigs and avs. I shouldn't have to make an all or nothing choice because of one inconsiderate person. YASNY wins for best answer

I find solace in the number 5* *Population per square mile in Wyoming, where Dick Cheney received his two DUIs at age 21 and 22.

QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Feb 21, 2005 -> 01:10 AM) I wanted to see what your big triumphant return was about this time. I've been back for a while. Keeping low key, and talking with a small portion of the soxtalk nation that hasn't put me on block what's the point of words if we cannot use them? what's the point of minds if we cannot expand them? what's the point of this message board if we cannot use it to its potential? btw, thanks for showing me your smilie faced boobies, santo

I'm with you on everything but I had to clarify. I'm not catholic, so don't let me stop you from tearing them apart , I just believe that there are many, many innocent priests who have been hurt by this scandal, and I seek justice mainly for them, after the justice for the victims. There's definitely a "christian-lite" pressence in the media, 7th Heaven and most Peter Engel Productions (Saved by the bell, California Dreams) have moral undertones throughout their writing. Tom Hanks recently stumped me when he said that he thought it was quite interesting how far off Hollywood has gotten from reality, when their profession, or there art, rather, is supposed to mimic true life. I know there aren't christians are out in the street being dragged by cars and crucified for their beliefs. I think it's far more subtle and sinsiter than that.