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A minor disagreement??? You come on here with out knowing a damn thing about my life and start attacking me. I agree that I have a short temper but I don't tolerate strangers trying to tell me how I have lived. Yes I did know you are 16. Oh by the way my brother served 2 years in Prison for a B&E and Prison is all about power only the weak get treated like that.

So dying prison is better because you get an appeal? I hear two different versions on this first is that 95% of our case is at 1st trial the other is you have a great chance of getting cleared if you are LWOP. So which is it are you doomed after the trial or do you have a good shot at an appeal? If the innocent project and all these other teams and slew of investigators can not find something to at least get you a new trial after 10 years then guess what they might be guilty such a novel idea. If we were not as soft on crime as we are now maybe the crime rate would decrease. If the prison these thugs are going to are ran like Joe's in Arizona then I might agree to LWOP. But of course the liberals think the punishment is to hard there as well.

Yep look for this to be dealt with quick, this ruling is not nearly as bad as leftist would like to believe. Boy I thought I could see some of them jump for joy when they first seen it.

There the damn people on the parole boards who believe that they deserve a second chance and down deep are good people and have been rehablitated they fall for the acting jobs of these thugs all the time. Yes I do I bet he wasn't sweeping floors of a winn-dixie at age 14 if he even is 14 yet.

What the hell do you know about me? Not a f***ing thing I had to start working at 14 earning everything got. Yes I have SEEN people who have got themselves arrested to get the better conditions of jail. So don't f***ing tell me about my life. By the way how old are you because that was an incredibly naive comment from someone who must not have been out in the real world yet.

Even according to Barry Scheck's Innocence Project there have only been 174 DNA exonerations for ALL crimes, more than 90% of which were not murder, let alone death penalty cases. In fact, the number of inmates taken off death row specifically because DNA cleared them is....FIVE. An additional nine inmates who were once on death row were eventually fully exonerated by DNA evidence. Some might say, 14 or 140, it doesn't make a difference. That makes as much sense as being told you have a 1% mortality risk from a surgical procedure versus a 10% risk. This takes care of the innocent argument. I think with the appeals they have a better chance of being cleared on a capital case than a LWOP case because no one gives a s*** if they aren't on the row. There is where I find fault in the liberal cause, There isn't near as much attention to the people serving LWOP as there is with DP. I think it is as big travesty to serve LWOP while innoncent then to get the injection there both bad when innocent yet it happens there as well. Also to some of these thugs prison is not a punishment to the ones who live in poverty they will go and kill on purpose just so they can live better in prison. Think about roof over your head, fed, medical care, Cable TV, Exercise equipment. We should make it a crime for these thugs to commit murder instead of a reward.

And this defeats the cost argument A TIME survey found that, nationwide, the average cell cost is $29,000/yr. and the maximum security cell cost is $79,000/yr. (as of12/04). Opponents claim that LWOP should replace the DP. Therefore, any cost calculations should be based specifically on cell costs for criminals who have committed the exact same category of offense - in other words, cost comparisons are valid only if you compare the costs of DP-equivalent LWOP cases to the cost of DP cases. The $34,200/yr. cell cost assumes that only 20% of the DP-equivalent LWOP cases would be in maximum security cost cells and that 80% of the DP-equivalent LWOP cases would be in average cost cells. A very conservative estimate. The $60,000/yr., for those on death row, assumes that such cells will average a cost equal to 80% of the $75,000/yr. for the most expensive maximum security cells. A very high estimate. Even though we are calculating a 75% greater cell cost for the DP than for equivalent LWOP cases, equivalent LWOP cases appear to be significantly more expensive, over time, than their DP counterparts. For years, opponents have improperly compared the cost of all LWOP cases to DP cases, when only the DP equivalent LWOP cases are relevant. People forget that it isn't free to house these thugs for 50 years.

This defeats the racist argument: A 2002 Rand Corporation study by Stephen Klein found that white murderers received the death penalty slightly more often (32%) than non-white murderers (27%). And while the study found murderers of white victims received the death penalty more often (32%) than murderers of non-white victims (23%), when controlled for variables such as severity and number of crimes committed, there is no disparity between those sentenced to death for killing white or black victims. Patrick A. Lanagan, senior statistician at the Dept. of Justice Bureau of Justice Statistics has studied the system in its entirety, and reports: "I don't find evidence that the justice system is treating blacks and whites differently." Hard to dispute a independent study.

Watch it nuke say something they don't like and they try and get you banned

While I like the amendment and think Flag Burning is a terrible thing I will leave this as a agree to disagree.

State to be more reasonable?? When your dealing with people who kill 5-10 and the state gives the person a fair trial several appeals and then 5 years + in jail until they hand out a lethal injection how can you get any more fair? This something we are not going to agree on ( I am not going to convince you & you are not going to convince me). So lets agree to disagree

Speaking about cowards here in John Kerry

All I did was clarified my position I have not flipped at all. I still dislike liberals nothing changed at all

These murderers got sentence that Liberals think is the best in LWOP yet they somehow got out. In these cases they either get LWOP or Death the juries choose life and the blood of all innocent people who later died is on there hands. The war on drugs should have nothing to do with it the real issue is the weak juries and parole boards. I personally don't think there should be any parole on any Part 1 crime serve the max is fine with me. I really don't think the poor victims who get there heads bashed in or raped repeatedly and then stabbed 100 times and have there bodies burned compared with killers get a lethal injection which when they die are already knocked out is the same do you think so? If not then that whole statement is garbage

These guys already committed murder. Are you one of these people who think prisoners can be rehabilitated?

What I should have said is seeing people posting around here thinking Liberals can do nothing wrong and while all Republicans are a bunch of fools that is what pisses me off. Bill Frist is a fine American if you agree with him on this issue or not he is still a great American. Is a flag and a napkin, boxers the same damn thing? Are you kidding me that has to be the worst analogy I have seen yet. The Flag was first created by Ross in Philly during the rev war and it was meant to be a calling something to be proud of. Some people just don't understand what kind of role history has.

I have never said anything about looking for the leaks. All I said is who ever disclosed this stuff should be puinshed

Frist has done more in his life than most people will do in their lives like saving lives, so hearing liberals complaining about him really makes pissed.

But with 54 republican senators and a Republican president this bill will become law.

Also John Wayne Gacy which the Stupid State of Iowa let go in the 60's. Fact is murderers get out and they will kill again no one can deny it.

Here is what my great senator Frist had to say: June 27th, 2006 - WASHINGTON, D.C. — U.S. Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, M.D., (R–Tenn.) today made the following statement after the Senate defeated the Flag Protection Amendment by a vote of 66–34, an increase of 3 supporters since the Senate last considered the issue in 2000. The amendment would give Congress the authority to establish laws prohibiting the physical desecration of the American flag: “Old Glory lost today. At a time when our armed services are defending America’s freedom in the War on Terror, it’s unfortunate that a minority of my colleagues blocked this amendment. The amendment simply returns to Congress the right to protect the American flag, an authority that existed for 200 years prior to an activist Supreme Court decision in 1989. It’s supported by all 50 state legislatures and countless veterans across the nation. Protecting the symbol of our nation’s freedom is important, and I hope the amendment’s support in the Senate will continue to grow. In the meantime, I hope America rededicates itself to respecting the flag, our symbol of national unity, especially when our troops are wearing that flag as they risk their lives for this great country every day.”

Ok here is a major one which I can't believe you don't remeber: Kenneth McDuff, for instance, was convicted of the 1966 shooting deaths of two boys and the vicious rape-strangulation of their 16-year-old female companion. A Fort Worth jury ruled that McDuff should die in the electric chair, a sentence commuted to life in prison in 1972 after the U.S. Supreme Court struck down the death penalty as then imposed. In 1989, with Texas prisons overflowing and state officials under fire from the federal judiciary, McDuff was quietly turned loose on an unsuspecting citizenry. Within days, a naked body of a woman turned up. Prostitute Sarafia Parker, 31, had been beaten, strangled and dumped in a field near Temple. McDuff's freedom in 1989 was interrupted briefly. Jailed after a minor racial incident, he slithered through the system and was out again in 1990. In early 1991, McDuff enrolled at Texas State Technical College in Waco. Soon, Central Texas prostitutes began disappearing. One, Valencia Joshua, 22, was last seen alive Feb. 24, 1991. Her naked, decomposed body later was discovered in a shallow grave in woods behind the college. Another of the missing women, Regenia Moore, was last seen kicking and screaming in the cab of McDuff's pickup truck. During the Christmas holidays of 1991, Colleen Reed disappeared from an Austin car wash. Witnesses reported hearing a woman scream that night and seeing two men speeding away in a yellow or tan Thunderbird. Little more than two months later, on March 1, 1992, Melissa Northrup, pregnant with a third child, vanished from the Waco convenience store where she worked. McDuff's beige Thunderbird, broken down, was discovered a block from the store. Fifty-seven days later, a fisherman found the young woman's nearly nude body floating in a gravel pit in Dallas County, 90 miles north of Waco. By then, McDuff was the target of a nationwide manhunt. Just days after Mrs. Northrup's funeral, McDuff was recognized on television's "America's Most Wanted'' and arrested May 4 in Kansas City. In 1993, a Houston jury ordered him executed for the kidnap-slaying of 22-year-old Melissa Northrup, a Waco mother of two. In 1994, a Seguin jury assessed him the death penalty for the abduction-rape-murder of 28-year-old Colleen Reed, an Austin accountant. Pamplin's son Larry, the current sheriff of Falls County, appeared at McDuff's Houston trial for the 1992 abduction and murder of Melissa Northrup. "Kenneth McDuff is absolutely the most vicious and savage individual I know,'' he told reporters. "He has absolutely no conscience, and I think he enjoys killing.'' If McDuff had been executed as scheduled, he said, "no telling how many lives would have been saved.'' At least nine, probably more, Texas authorities suspect. His riegn of terror finally ended on November 17, 1998 when Kenneth McDuff was put to death by the state of Texas by Lethal Injection. May his victims rest in peace. Then in 1986 in Mass: Thus, a decade later, in June of 1986, there was nothing in the law to deny convicted murderer Horton what was supposed to be a routine 48-hour leave. Predictably, Horton didn't play by the rules. He fled, eventually arriving in Maryland, where, in April of 1987, he had pistol-whipped and knifed Clifford Barnes, then bound and gagged him and twice raped his fiancee, Angela. When the story of the furlough became known, Horton's brutality created a public uproar. The Maryland judge who subsequently sentenced Horton to two consecutive life terms refused to extradite him to Massachusetts. "I'm not prepared to take the chance that Mr. Horton might again be furloughed . . . This man should never draw a breath of free air again," said the judge. The scandal heated to a rolling boil. In April of 1988, embattled Massachusetts legislators finally killed the 16-year-old program -- without further resistance from Dukakis. Thank God! This is why for people who truly value public safety, there is no substitute for the best in its defense which is capital punishment. It not only forever bars the murderer from killing again, it also prevents parole boards and criminal rights activists from giving him the chance to repeat his crime. Recently in Alabama a pair of murderers recieved parole and there first week out they killed and burnt down a guys house, Then murdered 4 in a robbery at a Days Inn on Thanksgiving. Now they face the penalty That just a few that I can think of off my head. Thes people would still be alive had these thugs been executed.

You seem to defend the thugs a lot. Did you read what this bastard done? I bet not. I never dreamed anyone could support this guy much less the way you are. And what is your problem with America's most wanted maybe because they catch fugitive thugs and it might not be fair for them or violate they rights? Really I don't understand all of this support for these thugs. And no I am not in it for revenge I am in it to make sure these thugs can't kill again. There have been many cases of thugs that murdered got LWOP but yet they got freed or escaped and went on to kill again only this time they learned from there mistakes and were able to kill more. And when does cost come to play in justice when we can do something right and get the proper justice we should not need to pinch pennies. Liberals spend much more money on a lot more foolish stuff than getting the proper justice.

Iran is the bigger threat. They have already taken our hostages and because of a weak ass President they stayed there. It took Regan and his no bulls*** way of handling things to get our boys back.

I was talking about the extreme left wingers ala Clinton, Kerry people have no care at all about this issue just voting this way to get some votes in November. And I was talking to Barons about that speech he wrote which even you have to admit is lame at best.