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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 26, 2011 -> 01:41 PM) Like I said, sounds exactly like the NFL labor situation, doesn't it? The NFL situation couldn't be fixed with a single vote on a single line item. You can't conflate debt with deficits and then accuse him of saying something dumb.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 26, 2011 -> 01:40 PM) Of course you know the deficit is what causes the debt, which is what puts us up against the debt ceiling right? Then again the NFL situation could have been done instantly too, but the NFL ownership turned this into a manufacturer crisis. Funny how that works. You can raise the debt ceiling very, very easily to avoid destroying the economy which will only worsen the deficit.

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Jul 26, 2011 -> 01:39 PM) No, it's not. Something that gets bumped up routinely and thus has no effect or can be seriously exploited for ideological gain by a party willing to actually let us hit it? Seems pretty dumb.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 26, 2011 -> 01:37 PM) Stick to, I dunno, reading? He said "Debt ceiling", not "Federal deficit". The debt ceiling can be fixed very, very easily. It could just be raised, as it has been dozens of times before. Well, the GOP has managed to make it the "entire fiscal policy of the US" problem, not a debt ceiling raise.

Or eliminated, since it's pretty dumb anyway.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 26, 2011 -> 01:35 PM) The NFL labor situation is more complex than the federal deficit? Stick to football Kraft. It's a lot easier to fix the manufactured debt ceiling crisis, which is separate from a deficit problem. It could be done with a one-page bill.

Boehner's plan would lead to bond ratings downgrade I forget how to embed

"I hope we gave a little lesson to the people in Washington because the debt ceiling is a lot easier to fix than this was," - New England Patriots owner Robert Kraft, on the NFL lockout deal.

Wu resigns http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20083560-503544.html

If we follow DeMint's and Boehner's logic that the Cut, Cap and Balance bill was "bipartisan" because it received 5 Democrat votes, then we've got an even more bipartisan Cap & Trade bill that's already passed! Why won't these radical Republican holdouts just get on board with this bipartisan bill?

http://www.fms.treas.gov/faq/moretopics_gifts.html

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 26, 2011 -> 11:35 AM) That's not true. There are a lot of anti-immigration right wing nationalist groups that have gotten powerful in europe over the past decade. I stand corrected. Apparently they're just less violent.

Thank you. Now I still have to ask if you seriously believe that the Democrats haven't really offered to give up all that much.

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Jul 26, 2011 -> 11:28 AM) Well, I commented on the one I had read. And reading comprehension seems to be eluding you. I never claimed all the anti jewish attacks were done by Muslims. I said that at least some of them HAD to fall under the same category as the deli worker, who was counted as terrorism, yet that study left them all off. Bias? Laziness? Stupidity? Whatever the reason, it shows that the stats are not right. No, it doesn't, because there could be good reason for including some hate crimes but not others, since they are separate but not mutually exclusive things. And you appear to have read the website summarizing the report and not the report itself, since it'd be hard to know how many of those listed in the report were also labeled hate crimes without checking every one. Or it could be similar to the FBI, hatching a bunch of their own plots and convincing people to join them, only to "stop" them just in time. Wow. So muslims are a bunch of inbred morons now? Europe has a lot less right-wing politics in general, though they can up that count to "1" now. Regardless, it pretty thoroughly demolishes the idea that most terrorists are muslims.

And can you admit you were wrong about there being an actual deal in place and Obama coming to the table demanding more out of nowhere? You've also admitted in that post that the Republicans have exploited the economic disaster that will result if we don't raise the debt ceiling in order to extract sweeping fiscal policy changes instead of just passing a simple bill raising the debt ceiling like every other time before.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jul 26, 2011 -> 11:16 AM) Perhaps 100% is too much, but the fact is I see more movement from ideological positions from the right than the left here. What exactly have the dems given up that they should be sticking for? Just more revenue? Seriously?

Extremism in Muslim Communities on the decline This is why people have problems with King's hearings and the fervent anti-Islamic attitudes from some. They're based on fiction and they single out a minority group unfairly for scrutiny and suspicion.

Also, if you look through the actual report instead of the brief summary, you'll see dozens of White Supremacist/KKK plots. Those groups are pretty consistently anti-Jewish.

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Jul 26, 2011 -> 11:05 AM) I gave you a link. If you are blind, stupid or choose to ignore it, that is your problem. If you are going to classify hate crimes as terrorist incidents, be consistent then with the reporting. You gave a link to hate crimes, not terrorist attacks, and it doesn't list any information about the perpetrators. That makes it useless in defending your claims about those who commit the acts. And, perhaps, is there some good reason to differentiate some hate crimes as terrorist attacks and others as something else? Hey, how about the FBI or Europol reports you haven't even commented on? You've objected to one report because it was done by Muslims, but what about these other two?

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Jul 26, 2011 -> 11:00 AM) It doesn't. But your report listed ONE attack by a white guy against a muslim deli worker as a TERRORIST ATTACK. Then in the next line said there was only one anti-jewish TERRORIST attack/plot against Eric Cantor. I say that the attack on the deli worker would fall under a hate crime instead of terrorist attack. IF the deli worker is a terrorist attack, then at least SOME of the 1300+ anti jewish attacks should be classified as the same. WHat it shows is that the stats used in that story are cherry picked to suit the needs of the Muslim group that reported it. And the FBI's list you keep ignoring? Or the Europol report? What report or data are you basing your "most terrorists are muslims" on? 9/11 and the shoe-bomber?

Anyway the report from the FBI from 1980-2005 still completely refutes the idea, you still have to deal with that.

But why must an anti-jewish hate crime be carried out by a Muslim? I think you need to check your premises. Actually, if you look at the exec. summary of that report, they state that they 1) don't include eco-terrorism since it's usually against property and 2) include world-wide data for muslim extremists and only US data for other groups. Both factors tip the balance in favor of over-representing Muslim terrorist acts.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jul 26, 2011 -> 10:51 AM) Well, he said she said, the fact is they came up from 0 to 800 billion. That's fine if you think that's ridiculous, but that's still their position, which they clearly moved from. So to claim that they didn't compromise is clearly unfair. They've made concessions. They've compromised. You refuse to accept that. So... I dunno what else to tell you. I didn't say they didn't move at all from their initial hardline stance of "no revenues." But they waited until late July to do so. There's no way you can say that the Democrats, who control the Senate and the WH by the way, did not give up significantly more in this deal than the Republicans have ever offered. Your whole outrage and "Boehner should stick it to Obama now!" was based on the incorrect idea that there was some agreement in place and Obama suddenly asked for more. Boehner's own letter belies that when he claims that a deal was never close. Do you still think this is 100% on Obama? Do you really think that Boehner would have agreed to a deal with Obama, handing him a huge political victory, Friday evening if the White House left revenues at $800M?

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Jul 26, 2011 -> 10:48 AM) If you are counting hate crimes as terrorist attacks, like the deli worker case, then yes. Please share data. I'd like to know of these daily terrorist attacks against jews by muslims.

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Jul 26, 2011 -> 10:47 AM) AirLINE. Not airplane. Did he go thru a TSA grope before he got on his plane? But this is just an intentional narrowing of the scope of what terrorism is so it conforms to your "mostly muslim" assumption. What is the point of this?