StrangeSox

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Mar 4, 2013 -> 02:03 PM) Sure, but that situation need not involve the state unless a business wants to press charges. With food stamps you're requiring the business to become an agent of the state. They become the enforcers of the law. That already happens with alcohol, tobacco and any other restricted item (drugs, guns, bunch of other stuff)

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Mar 4, 2013 -> 01:37 PM) I mean look, at the end of the day technology is poorly used. We're relying on 16 year old cashiers to make sure that people don't abuse the system. I had to do that and it sucked. Stores shouldn't be responsible for customers. The state should create a system much like WIC, where you have the various food items we deem to be necessary and only those items, checked by a computer, can be purchased with a Link card. Everything else in your shopping basket gets rejected and you have to pay for it with other funds. That's already how SNAP works. You can also receive cash Link benefits because not everything a person needs is sold at a retail store. Like rent, bills, tuition, etc. lol nope

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Mar 4, 2013 -> 01:48 PM) He added that "goal" after giving his list. The idea that welfare recipients would have one card, that the card is subject to review, that people can file complaints, that people need permission for big purchases, etc. are all general ideas I agree with. His "goal" was apparent without being stated--that's the whole reason for these public forums and reviews he wants. Why should you be able to file a complaint that results in judicial review of any individual's welfare spending? Should that apply to corporations that receive any sort of public monies as well? What you and your hundreds/thousands in tax subsidies? Should I be able to challenge anything you spend in court?

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Mar 4, 2013 -> 01:45 PM) For the money I spend that I expect the government will give back to me come tax time, yep. Edit: I should clarify I don't submit it to public review and comment. But I submit what I have to submit and make the rest available if the IRS really wants to take a look. You don't go through anything close to what Duke posed and what you said were good ideas. Don't forget your monthly drug test for the tax subsidies, too!

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Mar 4, 2013 -> 01:39 PM) You can go to the extreme as Duke did, but at the end of the day tracking the dollars spent and enforcing the rules that have already been put in place would be a great start and wouldn't require welfare recipients to become "public slaves." So don't say you agree with a lot of Duke's proposals that are entirely about his desire to publicly shame aid recipients.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Mar 4, 2013 -> 01:37 PM) I'm cool with that. I keep those records in case of a tax audit anyway. You keep a record of every single penny you spend throughout the year and submit it for public review and comment?

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Mar 4, 2013 -> 01:11 PM) Screw trying to make the system better! It's awesome the way it is! http://www.rrstar.com/news/x2022728411/Ill...ood-stamp-fraud Don't see anything in that quote that sounds anything like Duke's great ideas. Sounds like a purely administrative thing. Oh and the part right after that was about the high case-load administrators in Illinois have, increasingly the likelihood of these errors when coupled with our outdated computer system. I wonder how many millions of dollars a revamped system would be, though? The welfare leech that needs to "toughen up" and be publicly shamed, subjected to this: oh and let's not forget judicial review of her ability to leave the state and public review of all of her spending with the ability to force judicial review.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Mar 4, 2013 -> 01:13 PM) You have to prove to the government that you spent that money/own that property/have that loan in order to get those credits/deductions. People on TANF etc. have proven their eligibility, but now you want full public and judicial review of every single expenditure every single person makes. I'd ask the same for money we're subsidizing your mortgage, student loans and child care with. Itemized expense reports with ORIGINAL receipts on the 1st of every month, please. And anything I don't like will be reported to the judge for appropriate review.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Mar 4, 2013 -> 01:10 PM) You're right, food stamp fraud is just a problem that affluent white males made up to further their anti-poor or colored person agenda: Oh, did I say that? No, I poked fun at the fact that every single conservative seems to have their own personal "welfare queen" story that they swear is true and they saw first-hand. Personally, I've never seen it. I'm going to attribute that to three reasons in descending importance: 1) It's actually a rare thing. 2) I never worked in a grocery store like you and ck did, so I've had much less exposure. 3) I don't pay much attention to how the person in front of my pays for their groceries or what car they eventually get into, either, because I've got about a million more important things I could be thinking about. Great, I never claimed that fraud was 0.00%.

Should these proposed welfare requirements apply to childcare, student loan and mortgage subsidies that many Americans receive? How about businesses that receive some sort of government funding, should they be required to open all of their financial records to the public and judicial review as well?

2% isn't zero, but it seems doubtful that the mother had adequate medical care anyway:

QUOTE (Cknolls @ Mar 4, 2013 -> 12:33 PM) LOL. Uh excuse me, can I have your address and social security #, I would like to report you for fraud. Report the store who is engaging in the fraud alpha posted about.

QUOTE (Cknolls @ Mar 4, 2013 -> 12:45 PM) This fraud probably happens more now than it did when there were actually food stamps. You have to give these people credit though, some were very creative. One person used to photocopy her food stamps and try to pass them. But when the blue $5 looks like the brown $1 it is kind of hard to keep a straight face. These dirtballs know the ins and outs and they know the beauracrcy will never catch up to them. And the liberal freaks that want their votes will never do anything to enforce the law. If these people worked 1/2 as hard searching for a job as they do cheating the tax payer, we would be in a better place. And yes I worked at Jewel for five years in the early 90's and saw it all, including your example of getting into a nice car. The only thing you left out was taking their money out of their bra or shoe to pay for their non-food items. I'm sure you have some actual data to cite regarding fraud rates, right?

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Mar 4, 2013 -> 12:40 PM) You've seriously never seen these people before? Nope.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Mar 4, 2013 -> 12:15 PM) Then why haven't you reported this problem to the authorities? It's not difficult. Here's the form. Everybody's seen the proverbial welfare queen buying all that food on foodstamps and then paying cash for her fillets and booze and then loading it up into her new Caddy! Or at least every conservative seems to have seen someone like that. To whatever extent that there's TANF/SNAP/WIC/Link fraud, nothing Duke's said would have any impact on that.

But none of Duke's public-shaming schemes would do anything about that.

For the SNAP benefits, they do: http://www.dhs.state.il.us/page.aspx?item=30357 For the cash assisstance, you're right, they don't. People need cash to pay bills, pay the rent, etc. etc. How large and expensive of a bureaucracy do you think you'd need to create to track and judicially review every one of those expenditures?

There's an order-of-magnitude difference between duke's sociopathic proposals and some level of structure to a social program. As it is, we already have a system that only allows WIC funds to be used on pre-approved goods.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Mar 4, 2013 -> 10:02 AM) Is this directed at me? It's directed at Duke and anyone who thinks what he proposed is a good idea.

Yeah, The Atlantic had a pretty bad incident last month when they let the Church of Scientology run a paid advertisement disguised in their editorial section.

Just gonna point out that you don't seem to have any idea how our welfare system works or any concept of the size and expense of the bureaucracy that would need to be created for these crazy ideas for your "public slaves." Other than Duke's stated desire to act like this: what purpose do his proposals serve? It certainly won't make the system any more efficient or cheaper, instead increasing it by at least an order of magnitude.

"a little bureaucracy" maybe something like this for their badge?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 3, 2013 -> 04:08 PM) The goaltending was incredible all day long. Doesn't that mean the point counts??

The anti-democratic, human-rights violating Malaysian government has been paying a range of conservative columnists in places like the Huffington Post and National Review thousands of dollars to run propaganda pieces for years. http://www.buzzfeed.com/rosiegray/covert-m...e-of-american-m Krugman with some good thoughts: http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/03/0...alaysians-know/

"owned by the public" pure ideology For #1, isn't that pretty much how WIC cards work already? Pre-loaded debit card that can only be used on WIC-approved items?