StrangeSox

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Dec 14, 2012 -> 02:31 PM) How's that war on drugs working out? Guns and drugs do not represent similar goods and markets. Demand is not driven by nearly the same thing.

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Dec 14, 2012 -> 02:29 PM) You seem very sure of this...but I suspect you wouldn't be quite as sure as you seem believe if you actually ever tried. A person that's never bought drugs before probably thinks they're hard to get, too...and I'm not talking about marijuana, either. Where there is a will...there will be a way. Right, a will. A very determined person can still get a handgun in countries where handguns are legal. But they won't have one laying around if they snap. They will have to go through significant efforts to get one, not just go grab it outta grandpa's dresser. I know that drugs are readily and easily obtained in this country, but that is because there's a large black market, and much of that demand is addiction-based. The market for guns isn't readily comparable to that, nor would the manufacture of the weapons and ammunition.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Dec 14, 2012 -> 02:30 PM) Purchased legally, stolen, then used by criminals who by law can't touch the guns. let's slow down that first part of the chain!

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Dec 14, 2012 -> 02:27 PM) As John Stewart said, in times of crisis when everyone is watching...amplify our problems and simplify our solutions...because without fail, that solves every problem every time. I'm pretty sure John Stewart just recently mocked the idea of the "it's too soon" deflection from ever discussing sane gun laws in this country after the last shooting tragedy. Or maybe that was the Walker one two weeks ago.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Dec 14, 2012 -> 02:26 PM) Comparing the US to any other country is comparing apples and oranges. Go look at gang violence statistics. There's 90% of your answer right there. And guess what, they mostly use illegally obtained weapons. So ban every gun in the country and our homicide rate will still overshadow everyone elses. If you restrict the legal flow of guns, you've restricted the supply to the black market as well. There's not tens of millions of handguns to steal or straw-purchase if no one can legally buy a handgun.

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Dec 14, 2012 -> 02:22 PM) The problem is getting a gun is too easy in multiple ways, both legally and illegally. It's a rough problem to solve since the box has already been opened...there are guns everywhere...and it's not just in the US like a lot of people are busy pretending right now. If we collected every gun in the US right now, I bet that country a bit south of Texas would be more than happy to sell a bunch to the people that really want them. Right, you wouldn't eliminate gun violence. But now in that hypothetical we've severely restricted access such that you need to go black-market and pay a good sum of money. It's a lot more difficult than going to Bass Pro, and you're not just going to have weapons laying around in so many homes that can easily be picked up when someone snaps. Sure, someone really dedicated can still plan this out, but a couple of teenagers in Colorado aren't going to have an easy time getting their hands on some guns and neither would this guy.

QUOTE (knightni @ Dec 14, 2012 -> 02:20 PM) Do you think that his would help? http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/f..._ppk_s_gun.html not without removing the 300M+ guns currently in the US without this technology

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Dec 14, 2012 -> 02:19 PM) Many other countries have their own gun problems. They may not be of the school shooting variety, but let's not pretend their own slew of problems don't exist, either. It's important people allow their emotions at the moment to simmer down, they're allowing anger to creep into their opinions and they way they speak to people. other developed countries' gun problems do not even begin to compare to the US, school-related or not.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Dec 14, 2012 -> 02:18 PM) And as i've said, make it more difficult to get guns. I'm fine with that if that would make you happy. But that's not going to do anything and you know it. This guy and the others like him plan this s*** out. So unless you're going to just ban guns altogether, no amount of restrictions would to stop this type of stuff. But continue to believe the problem is society allowing guns, and not the random crazy people that are just random crazy people who do random s***. Pretty f***ing weird and unpredictable that countries with much saner gun laws and much less access to guns but still their own share of "random crazy people" manage to not have this s*** happen all the time.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Dec 14, 2012 -> 02:13 PM) Given the amount of registered gun owners, actually yes, it is still pretty weird and unpredictable. I can pretty easily predict that, within the next 6 months, there will be another mass shooting in this country. I can also predict that we will continue to have a much more difficult time with this than countries with sane gun laws.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Dec 14, 2012 -> 01:56 PM) A car is an inherently dangerous object. Cool. Can we require a national gun registry, a license, mandatory training and personal liability insurance for guns?

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Dec 14, 2012 -> 02:09 PM) It's not a joke to point out that the immediate "Zomg! we have to ban guns or we'll all die!" response was and is equally ridiculous as the last gun-related tragedy that occurred because a CRAZY PERSON IS f***ING CRAZY AND DID SOMETHING ONLY A CRAZY PERSON WOULD DO. When was 'the last gun-related tragedy that occurred'? THIS f***ING WEEK. Maybe there's a problem with how easy it is to get a gun in this country?

CRAZY PERSON DID SOMETHING CRAZY THAT WAS ENABLED BY READILY AVAILABLE GUNS HOW f***ING WEIRD AND UNPREDICTABLE

nobody was making this a right/left argument you moron

usually I'm on-board with your trollery but honestly, knock it the f*** off

Most other countries with sane gun laws don't have tragedies like this, and they certainly don't have them happen multiple times a year. Norway's tragic shooting incident was so notable because of how rare something like that is.

QUOTE (illinilaw08 @ Dec 14, 2012 -> 01:50 PM) For a second, let's try to take all emotion out of this, not discuss the 2nd Amendment, and reach a couple points that I think everyone can agree on: 1) A gun is a tool. 2) A gun is a particuarly dangerous tool. If I mishandle a hammer, maybe I smash my fingers, maybe I accidentally hit someone behind me in the head. If I mishandle a gun and it accidentally discharges, I can kill someone. 3) There is no other tool readily available on the open market that, if used for its intended purpose, is used to kill or injure. 4) Putting the three above assumptions together shows that guns are way more likely to be used in a case like this than any other tool. They don't require close proximity to victims. In situations like the tragedy today, they don't even require accuracy to cause chaos and untold tragedy. 5) There's no way we are getting rid of guns altogether from this society any time soon. The government doesn't have the resources or the willpower to restrict gun ownership entirely. I don't have a problem with responsible gun ownership. I don't have a problem with people that own guns to hunt, shoot at the range, or protect themselves. I do have a problem with people ignoring the fact that guns are extremely dangerous in the wrong hands and that, when purchased, we have no way of knowing if the person buying is going to be responsible or not. ^^

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 14, 2012 -> 01:47 PM) Can you imagine? Here is a pic of a dad showing up to find out his kid was safe. I can only imagine the other side of this s*** like that makes me tear up. it was a similar 9/11 story a couple of days later that made me break down.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Dec 14, 2012 -> 01:34 PM) Yeah hows that ban on guns working in the City of Chicago? No one dies from being shot right? this is why gun restrictions are a national and not a state or local issue.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Dec 14, 2012 -> 01:23 PM) Anything can be used as a weapon to kill if the person wants it to. Blaming guns is idiotic IMO. Let's ban automobiles, they cause fatal DUI accidents! Put all the restrictions and bans and laws out there that you want. At the end of the day all you're doing is hurting the law abiding people out there. p. sure it's hard to commit mass-murder like this with something other than a gun, though maybe a bomb could work. Good thing we heavily restrict the ownership of explosives!

QUOTE (mr_genius @ Dec 14, 2012 -> 12:53 PM) but don't let that get in the way of using kids getting killed for political exploitation.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 14, 2012 -> 12:31 PM) Too much Call of Duty or something? How does this kid get 4 guns and a bulletproof vest in the first place? Fairly easily.

You can justify any and all defense spending that way. In fact, that's exactly how it's done. Anyway, his argument wasn't exactly "we don't need it today," it was "we have no conceivable need for it in the future, and it is enormously expensive and ill-conceived to boot." e.g. http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012...te_the_pentagon

We don't need a trillion dollars worth of boondoggle fighter planes to completely demolish Iran's military capabilities fairly quickly. And if you're worried about the insurgency afterwards, assuming we decide to occupy another country for a decade+, how much is the F-22 really helping out there?