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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 8, 2014 -> 04:00 PM) Who gives a s*** if it is reality? That doesn't mean that firing someone for beating his gf/wife is an overreaction. Maybe if there were some real consequences for this action, it would get done less? Because in the sense of what i'm talking about - an overreaction - it's true. This is above and beyond, by far, anything in NFL history when it comes to suspensions and punishments. And it was done in 4 hours. And it seemingly ignored a prior "sentence." The NFL willy-nilly said "oh s***! People saw the video! Better get rid of him quick!" It's the definition of an overreaction, even if you ultimately agree with the result. And I don't disagree about setting harsh penalties. Setting a hard precedent would be great. But you have to be more fair about it. You can't set up a punishment system and on the fly change it because of public pressure. What if we did that with the law? Oh you were speeding, that's a $100 ticket noooooooooooooo wait, 60 days in jail! Maybe that'll teach you not to speed through this school zone!

QUOTE (GoSox05 @ Sep 8, 2014 -> 03:57 PM) People are and will be. Same goes with Greg Hardy. Not nearly to the same degree.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Sep 8, 2014 -> 03:50 PM) Did...Did you just call Ray Rice a scapegoat? I have yet to hear anyone complain about the San Fran player who BEAT UP HIS PREGNANT WIFE and wasn't suspended. Hell, he was allowed to play yesterday.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 8, 2014 -> 03:20 PM) Just because the NFL hasn't had a backbone up until now, doesn't mean this was an overreaction. That is a gigantic characterization of where the burden of decency should lie. I will repeat again, the loss of one's job because you punch someone in the face and knock them out is fully justified. This is nothing more than exactly that. Those are two very different things. I'm like you, I'd love of the NFL was full of nothing but law-abiding, family-oriented people who volunteer on their off days. But that's not reality.

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Sep 8, 2014 -> 03:33 PM) Dude take a deep breath and come off the ledge. Jay Wright at Nova does a phenomenal job coaching guards, it allows Brunson a great opportunity while also getting out of Chicago/Illinois and away from the current spotlight on his dad. It would be a really good situation for him, I would totally get it. I really think we are getting one of them, and that was Meyer who switched to OK St, I take that more as Evans didn't commit to Illinois so what's next. I think by the end of the week or next week we have our PG. Illinois offers the starting job. At Nova he's a back-up for a year. Hopefully that's the big selling point. Both apparently get an in-home visit tomorrow.

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Sep 8, 2014 -> 03:12 PM) Brunson announcing at 4pm Wednesday, down to Illinois and Villanova. Let's see if B>W has a good source And my prediction: JB to Nova JE to Illinois Refuse to get sucked in....refuse to get sucked in... He's gonna pick up the Illini hat and put it back on the table. Sigh. I really thought MSU was the choice. Villanova. Ugh, they have had some good guards, but what's the connection there? And why play in a s***ty conference when you can play in the big ten? Let's just get one. Please. If not, we're f***ed for a while. Someone at 24/7 switched their pick from ILL to OK State. Man that'd be a kick in the balls if we don't get either one.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 8, 2014 -> 02:37 PM) Uh, no. Losing your job isn't an overreaction to punching someone in the face and knocking them out. It is given the punishments handed out for other offenses, including domestic violence, in the past: http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/the-rat...ng-nfl-players/ http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/nfl-do...cy-suspensions/ Three games was the most given out for domestic violence. Now we can add being cut and and an "indefinite suspension." I don't see how this isn't considered an over-reaction. Rice is a moron and a terrible human being and I have no love for the guy. I don't like defending him. But given how the NFL has handed out punishments - and will in the future - this is just crazy to me. edit: and I get why the Ravens and NFL did what they did. But it bothers me they were swayed so much by public opinion that their precedent and procedures were basically ignored. I mean if that's the case, let's go back and change some other crazy punishments (or lack thereof), like Gordon. Even if he is repeat offender, dude just smoked pot and got banned for a year.

QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Sep 8, 2014 -> 01:56 PM) Ray Rice punched her 4 hours ago? Prior to this morning the Ravens had no plans to cut Rice. They actively and proudly supported him. This morning, that video leaked, and 4 hours later he was cut. That is "immediate" by my definition. As soon as the video leaked, he was gone.

QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Sep 8, 2014 -> 01:48 PM) They've had plenty of time to think about it. This is far from immediate. What? It happened in about 4 hours today.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 8, 2014 -> 01:40 PM) Would you keep your job if your bosses got ahold of a tape of you punching your financee in the face and knocking her out? I'm sure it's more likely than not that I would be fired, but I don't think that it would be an immediate, no thinking required kind of decision. But comparing the NFL to any other employer is comparing apples and oranges. I'd be fired for using drugs too. Most people would. So should NFL players be cut for that?

QUOTE (GoSox05 @ Sep 8, 2014 -> 01:32 PM) Overreaction? You are the only person I've heard say this today. Again, let's put this thing into perspective. First time offender in the league (as far as I can recall) and it was domestic battery, not murder or selling drugs or whatever other crimes have been committed by hundreds of NFL players without the same response. And it's an extreme overreaction from the Ravens given that they just supported the guy for the last month. Talk about bowing to public pressure advantageously. They get to pretend like they did the right thing here, even though the pretext is "he mislead us." From what exactly? What did the video show that they didn't already know?

Wow, what an overreaction. But I don't feel bad for the guy. They have to pay out the remainder of his contract right?

QUOTE (chw42 @ Sep 8, 2014 -> 01:12 PM) Child labor isn't really an issue in the tech industry, it's more of putting workers in horrible conditions and over-working the hell out of them. It's getting better, but it's still a problem: http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013...d-labour-supply http://www.thenation.com/blog/180612/did-c...our-smart-phone Point is, it's ridiculous to argue that buying/using/supporting product X means you condone other things related to it.

QUOTE (TRU @ Sep 8, 2014 -> 01:05 PM) So a 10 game suspension is enough for "accidentally" killing someone, but Ray Rice should be suspended a year or more for hitting a woman? It was 10 games and time in jail. He committed the crime and did his time and I don't see why he shouldn't be allowed back in the league. And i'm not on board with the crazy Ray Rice stuff either. 2 games wasn't enough, a year long ban seems to be too much. 8-10 games sounds about right.

QUOTE (whitesoxfan99 @ Sep 8, 2014 -> 12:17 PM) @DanWetzel: Don't worry, only a few weeks until NFL puts pink on its uniforms to show it cares about women. Listen, I get the point, but it's a moronic one. He (and others) are saying that while typing on computers/phones that are manufactured by poor children. Wetzel et al. clearly hate all children.

QUOTE (TRU @ Sep 8, 2014 -> 12:08 PM) Why is there a public uproar over Ray Rice knocking out his annoying drunk wife but no one says anything about Josh Brent KILLING someone and only getting suspended 10 games, never mind only having to spend 6 months in jail. You shouldn't hit a woman and I have no respect for Ray Rice, but its a bigger travesty that Josh Brent will be back on the field earning his millions in 11 weeks. I think 10 game suspension is enough. I would have been fine with 16 too. That was a case about making a terrible, life-taking decision. It's not like it was premeditated or in the heat of a fight or anything. He got drunk and drove. And the other guy was drunk and allowed it.

LOL: http://jezebel.com/if-you-care-about-women...5/+laceydonohue Jesus our society sucks so hard. So, so hard. This, liberals. This is the segment of your party that is equal to the religious right. Both are bat s*** crazy and ruining this country.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Sep 8, 2014 -> 11:00 AM) No he looked weaker for giving Rice only two games. That's what I'm saying. Awkwardly worded I guess. I still don't see what that has to do with anything. Him being weak, strong, or stupid in regards to his light punishment of Rice was remedied when he apologized and instituted an insanely rigid (theoretically, anyway) punishment scale for domestic violence.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Sep 8, 2014 -> 10:51 AM) The NFL is also doing a 180 on having seen the full video before deciding on the suspension. Someone Is Lying About Whether The NFL Saw The Ray Rice Tape I just can't believe the NFL would be this stupid. TMZ had the original video before anyone. Hell, anyone with a FOIA request could get that tape. Why would the NFL even think about lying about seeing that tape? It gains nothing from doing so.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Sep 8, 2014 -> 10:54 AM) To everyone, for giving Rice two games. So you and others think Goodell is weak because he took the appropriate action and admitted he was wrong? Is that a bad thing? I just don't see what "weak" or "strong" has to do with anything Goodell does unless it's about negotiations with the players.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Sep 8, 2014 -> 10:41 AM) The extreme pressure before this video was ever released did the impossible: it got Roger Goodell to publicly apologize and look weak. I fully expect the outrage to be 10x what it was before now that the video is out. If the right people are loud enough for long enough to keep this in the headlines (and the nfl is powerless to act swiftly) than more people in power for the nfl will begin to care. It's simple: people are emotional. Seeing it happen is a lot different than imagining it. Also the nfl media machine's message before this release was loud and clear: if you saw the whole video than you'd understand why Rice only got two games. It was easy to believe for a lot of people without evidence otherwise. That changed today. To who exactly? Because he changed his mind on a punishment?

QUOTE (bmags @ Sep 8, 2014 -> 10:15 AM) Also apparently Rose is really pumped because he figured out what was wrong with his shot. Pretty disappointing he has been by far the worst player on team USA. But I'm really glad he's getting game conditioning in. It's so hard to deal with seeing someone come back like this, but I'm trying to get in the mindset that he may not be a good offensive piece well thru the year In a little bit of fairness to Rose, he's not getting 20-25 shots a game to work out the kinks. He's being a distributor first, shooter second.

QUOTE (daa84 @ Sep 8, 2014 -> 10:23 AM) Wait, you guys mean to tell me you expected the Rice video to be something more benign than that? We knew he knocked her unconscious. Yes it's a bit shocking to see the actually violence, but this is exactly what I thought happened in the elevator. Still shoud have been a longer suspension based on the first video. My guess is goddell will use the new video as a reason to correct his mistake, which is good, I just can't believe that anyone would have expected the video to have shown anything different based on what we already knew (ie his wife being colmpletely knocked out cold by a punch.) Don't get me wrong, rice is a huge scumbag, I guess I'm just surprised that so many people thought the elevator video would show something different and are now shocked by this. Agreed.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 8, 2014 -> 10:07 AM) Yeah, he saw that $2 billion price tag on the Clippers. Wasn't his letter a year or two old anyway? Yeah, 2012. He must have a clause about not selling the team unless forced to do so. This is the weirdest way to start the sale of a team you could come up with. Also great timing by the NBA. Press releases about basketball on the opening day of football. 5% of people care.