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QUOTE (Tex @ May 2, 2011 -> 08:31 PM) Which could take those people "on the fence" and move them to America is evil and wants all Muslims dead point of view. And yeah, we are pretty damn good at killing people for good reasons, just ask most of the countries that have pissed us off. All because we killed the worlds #1 terrorist after 10 years and were happy about it? Really?

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ May 2, 2011 -> 08:31 PM) What is this non-sequitor? IMO what MLK said isn't reality. It doesn't fit with human emotion. The reality is that sane people in the world understand where we're coming from. I don't see how these celebrations could possibly make us look bad, at least not anything i've seen so far.

QUOTE (Tex @ May 2, 2011 -> 08:28 PM) I could be wrong, but I believe it is more of a concern of pissing off the people that don't want to kill us but could be convinced we are evil and should be killed. We keep creating more enemies and wondering why the world gets more dangerous. Contrast the President's speech, which was very carefully written to not only not celebrate, but not to piss off too many people and point out the evil Bin Laden has inflicted on everyone, not just Americans. Again, I am not wanting to say those waving flags and singing were wrong, just trying to keep the dialog moving along and fostering understanding. Again, I agree if this were a different guy. But this is enemy of the world #1. It's not some nobody we're celebrating here.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ May 2, 2011 -> 08:25 PM) Yeahbut... "I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that." Martin Luther King, Jr. Bin Laden's done a lot of s***ty things to a lot of people. Yeah, 9/11 was the highest profile simply because of who the target was, but this isn't only an American thing. Ok, well if we want to live in fantasy land where human emotion doesn't exist then we wouldn't be in this mess in the first place...

QUOTE (lostfan @ May 2, 2011 -> 08:20 PM) He absolutely was. He was giving credit to Obama but everything after the first couple of sentences was pure sarcasm. If I had the quote up I'd bold the parts where he was being over-the-top and making fun of the media. He was saying "nobody else, not a single member of his national security team or general could've come up with this idea, it was all Obama" I didn't hear it that way. I heard the guy give Obama credit. I heard him say thanks. So what if he was making fun of all the praise that's going strictly to one guy (which, in a general sense, it is, but not from everyone so I don't agree with him exactly). Some here, within hours, expected him to come out and do the exact opposite of what he did.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 2, 2011 -> 06:52 PM) The other side of this comes in the vein of trying to improve our image in the world. There was a lot of talk about how our actions looked to the rest of the world during the Bush years, and those kids of celebrations aren't going to help it at all. The best way I know how to put it is like this. How would we have felt if it was our President who got shot, and we got to watch the people responsible for it (in a nation sense) celebrate publicly, knowing that they too were responsible for a lot of deaths around the world? I love how we're concerned about pissing off people that want to kill us. Yes, let's be really worried about pissing them off more. Seriously, if this were a regular, run of the mill terorrist killed on the battlefield, then sure, you make a good point. But this was an enemy of the world. This was an enemy of the religion he was supposedly protecting. These concerns do not apply and any sane person in the world would understand his death and the happiness it brings the American people, who suffered the most because of him.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ May 2, 2011 -> 06:53 PM) I know this is going to come off as pretty cliché, but people just need to stop being such p*****s. Yes.

QUOTE (greg775 @ May 2, 2011 -> 06:32 PM) Rush was clearly being sarcastic if you listen to his opening monologue. I do think Obama deserves credit BTW. No.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 2, 2011 -> 04:43 PM) Official photo from the White House briefing room yesterday. I'd love to be a fly on the wall in that room...

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ May 2, 2011 -> 03:59 PM) Rush was already talking about it, giving Obama credit for sticking with Bush/Republican policies that lead to this mission. I don't have a problem with that really. I mean, it was Bush policies that lead to the capture of the guy that gave up the courier. But that should be the extent of it, and Obama shouldn't be discredited since he made the ultimate choice, approved the plan, and kept the search going into his presidency.

QUOTE (GoSox05 @ May 2, 2011 -> 03:55 PM) Tea Party Nation. Crazies don't count

QUOTE (RockRaines @ May 2, 2011 -> 03:54 PM) I think its more pathetic that people are trying to make this into a political lynchpin. The people that were murdered by OBL werent left, right, middle,or even all American. They were people. I wish some of the talking heads could focus back on those victims instead of whose damn party did what. I'm sure it'll happen eventually, but I have yet to read or hear of any political figure from either party doing this.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ May 2, 2011 -> 03:49 PM) During the press conference a little while ago, you had one quote saying that directly above a scrolling quote saying the mission was to kill him. Honestly that was the best option imo, no need to drag that out into months of political debates over a trial. I'm sure it was an order to take him alive if he was willing but to leave absolute no chance of him escaping. The more I think about it the more I think i'm ok with that. Him alive in handcuffs would have been great TV though. Also, how wild would it have been to be one of those seal guys. To actually get in there and see that it was Bin Laden. In their minds you think they were like "holy s***, that's the guy we've been looking at in videos and photographs for 10 years."

f***ing asshole republicans, already trying to deflect credit owed to the Obama administration Also, he looks a lot thinner.

QUOTE (GoSox05 @ May 2, 2011 -> 03:42 PM) I read that they were going with head shots and double tap because they were worried someone in the house would be a suicide bomber. I just read an article with an intelligence source that said they were willing to take him alive but he resisted so they didn't.

I think it's pretty wild that Obama and his advisers watched the whole thing as it happened live. Wonder if that tape, or portions of it, will ever be released. Edit: they won't say what they watched, but I thought i saw earlier that ABC had some footage of the seals landing and firing into the compound. http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/20...-wh-522011.html

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ May 2, 2011 -> 03:03 PM) via I don't know that his body needed to be paraded all over Manhattan, but I agree with the photo part. It'll do more harm than good being kept secret.

Can we all agree on this at least:

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ May 2, 2011 -> 02:37 PM) I find the open celebrations a little off-putting. Seriously? I just don't get this. Sure, there might be a celebration that went a little TOO far, but something like that Mets/Phillies game last night really moved me. Thousands of people slowly getting the news from their phones and then chanting USA. That was awesome IMO. Same with people gathering at the White House and Ground Zero and countless other places singing God Bless America. Those types of acts show that the country is still united.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ May 2, 2011 -> 02:27 PM) I never said I could make a compelling argument that they are the same thing. I said I could make a compelling argument why some one dancing on the street over a soldiers death was similar to some one dancing on the street over Osama's death. If a soldier killed your family (accidentally) and then he was killed, Im sure there are people that would dance in the street. It doesnt matter what the intention is, it matters what the end result is. Both men caused the death of innocent lives. I am just not so bold as to blindly believe that I am on the right side. For all I know, we are the ones going to hell. Its easy cheer when you have always been the majority, it is much harder to cheer when you are in the minority and you can remember (not personally but historically) when people were cheering the death of your people. So we should equate American values with terrorist values? I mean, I get your point here that perspective matters, but we're talking about the world's #1 most wanted terrorist. He's not some innocent civilian caught in the cross fire.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ May 2, 2011 -> 02:07 PM) Where did I say they were the same? I said Im not sure its "okay". Or are you saying who cares about collateral damage as long as its ordered. IE We shouldnt care about all the innocents the A-Bomb killed because we didnt really mean to kill all those civilians, it just happened. Like I said, anyone can do what they want, just remember when you are dancing on the streets about some one's death, they will be dancing about yours. As long as you are fine with that, dance the night away. I personally am not fine with that. As for Christian or not, who cares. You said you can make a compelling argument that they're essentially one in the same, and i'm saying there's a difference. Context matters a whole lot here IMO. Osama killed who he intended to kill - Americans. A US serviceman who drops a bomb on enemy combatants and kills innocent civilians in the process has no such intent.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ May 2, 2011 -> 01:54 PM) You can draw any line in the sand that you want to try and say Osama's actions are better or worse than some one else. At the end of the day, death is death. Im not sure I follow that its okay for a US serviceman to kill an innocent civilian because he is acting on US orders, as opposed to Osama killing an innocent civilian because he believes he is acting on gods orders. Those arent my beliefs, but I could make a pretty compelling argument either way if I really cared to. The simple fact is I dont believe in dancing on other peoples graves. I feel sorrow, for all those who have suffered for the unnecessary fights. And that is on both sides of the fence. No you can't, because they are not the same. One was deliberate, the other is collateral damage. Going down your logic we should all be praising Osama for being a revolutionary who is just doing what he believes in for his people. f*** that. Dude was a murdering coward who deserved to be shot in the face and thrown into the vast ocean. Christian or not, celebrate your faces off. This is a good day for America and its people.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ May 2, 2011 -> 01:30 PM) That seems far fetched but it wouldn't be out of the realm of possibilities that a few recruits of theirs, living here, can detonate explosives in highly populated areas (i.e., Times Square, Union Station, Navy Pier, etc). If they could do this why haven't they already? Same with the nuke scenario.

QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ May 2, 2011 -> 11:17 AM) Before the official announcement las tonight I put this on facebook: "It only took 9.5 years..." To that a friend replied: "only took obama 2" (referencing Bush's inability to get Bin Laden) Another friend replied: "The president has VERY little to do with the actual success of any tactical operation gents." I'm thinking he might want to retract that now knowing that Obama gave the direct orders to go. A "go" based on intelligence that's been gathered by the *gasp* GITMO detainees 4-5 years ago. And not directed at you, but I loved reading through this thread to find that people were asking that this not turn political, until someone did, by guessing that the GOP would find a way to not give Obama credit for this. Stay classy guys.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/20...s-corpse-1.html Anyone else think this is a mistake if they don't release these photos? Do we really want to leave any doubt about this? I think that's a little more important than offending someone with a graphic image. Also, huge props to the US military, the administration, and everyone else involved. A sweet day for the USoA.