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Alex Rios is far more deserving than Torii Hunter and Vernon Wells. Hunter isn't that terrible of a selection, but Wells has no business on the team.
John Buck is the reserve catcher? Seriously!?!?!? Is Mauer the only good catcher in the whole AL?
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QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jul 4, 2010 -> 12:14 PM)Beltre not making it is just as bad, IMO. That dude has been spectacular.
Yeah, he has been having a really spectacular year, even though he is playing above his head. f*** it, I hope neither Beltre or Votto make the teams, and that they both end up winning their league's MVP award, just show how f***ing stupid the all-star game is.
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http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20...sp&c_id=mlb
The NL Player Ballot seems reasonable, but the players in the AL are just as f***ing dumb as the fans. And Charlie Manuel is an idiot. I'd figure retarded selections from JERRY Manuel, but not Charlie.
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QUOTE (asmithxc @ Jul 4, 2010 -> 12:10 PM)Podsednik beat out Jeter in 2005. I won't give up yet.
Yeah, but back in 05, the excitement about the White Sox was insane and I suspect we got a lot of help from the anti Yankees crowd in voting as well.
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It gets even worse every year... And did I read correctly, Votto didn't make the NL squad? Thats one of the biggest jokes I've ever seen.
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Odd start time... was the time pushed back to 7:05? I figured ESPN had exclusive rights to scheduling at 7 on Sundays.
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QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Jul 3, 2010 -> 09:56 PM)I'm not even sure this lineup can be "fixed" with only one more bat. We might need two of them.
The question is, what helps this team more...
1 impact bat like Fielder or a lesser extent Dunn, or 2 mediocre-solid bats like LaRoche and someone else?
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QUOTE (WCSox @ Jul 3, 2010 -> 09:31 PM)You said "a ton of range," which implies "great range." Guys like STL-era JD Drew and ATL/KC-era Dye don't fall into that category, IMO.
JD Drew definitely fits into that category. Before injuries in his St. Louis days, he had a ton of range. He still is a very good RF. He doesn't have the same range he had when he first came up, but he makes up for that because he is actually a very smart OF and takes excellent routes and gets very good reads.
No one ever said Dye had a ton of range ever, but he certainly was a very good RF back when he did have some range. Hell, even when he was with us he still provided solid D until the final couple years when he lost whatever range he had left.
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Can we get a freaking extra base hit for once????
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QUOTE (lostfan @ Jul 3, 2010 -> 05:41 PM)I typically think NFL fans are the dumbest, but over the last few weeks I've been proven wrong. Definitrly the NBA.
NBA easily has the dumbest fans. Its not even close.
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QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 3, 2010 -> 05:34 PM)You have to be kidding me with the bolded ones. If you think Hawpe can play CF, then Jermaine Dye can play CF too, how would you like that? Again arm doesn't mean s*** when you can't get to a baseball that isn't hit in a 5 foot vicinity of where you are standing.
Jeff Francouer has no range, Andre Ethier has no range, and Brad Hawpe is the worst outfielder in baseball when it comes to range. Ankiel also isn't the greatest CFer around. He has a great arm, but like I said, if no catch then the arm doesn't matter most of the time. Intimidation plays a part in base running, but catching the ball is far more important.
Outside of Ichiro, Sweeney, and maybe Justin Upton, none of the guys you listed would be good center fielders, they don't possess the range. They'd be at least mediocre, but nothing more.
We got our paths crossed here, and its mainly my fault for laziness and bad wording.
I came up with that list as RF's who have good range and good arms. Not as a list of corner outfielders who can play CF. I think the confusion happened when you said players with that skill set usually play CF, but I was just refering to RF's who have that skillset.
Nick Markakis seems to be a really good RF from what I've seen, with solid range. However, I doubt he would play a very good CF. For RF, his range is more than play-able. So, he has that skillset. However, his skillset does not play in CF.
I know I am rambling on, but you get what I'm saying?
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QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jul 3, 2010 -> 07:00 PM)you said there are plenty of players with that skillset, he asked you for your list of said players, and that was the list you came up with even though you doubted a good portion of the players you put on the list.
Of course we would hold you to it, it was your point to prove and thats what you came up with.
He said most players with that skillset are all playing CF. However, I worded my response badly and I meant that there are plenty of players with good range and good arms in RF that don't play CF (regardless if they could play CF or not).
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QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jul 3, 2010 -> 05:20 PM)You're backtracking a little. You said a "ton" of range with a "cannon" for an arm. I assumed by that you meant great range and great arm. That just doesn't really exist at RF. Although your list is pretty good. By the way, Jay Bruce has a GREAT arm. Not solid. I watch a few Reds games here and there (and whenever they play the Cubs). And we already have a stud CF. But I know what you mean. Another stud CF would enable us to move Rios to RF and have a stud CF and RF.
Yeah, I over exaggerated a bit. I said it would be nice to have a RF with great range and a cannon arm, someone else stated that those players only play CF, and I stated there are plenty of them.
What I should have stated is that there are plenty of above average RF's with above average range and arms for their position, and who are a lot better than what we have had in RF the past couple seasons.
As for Bruce, thanks for clarifying. I thought he had a great arm, but wasn't sure, and didn't want to make too many assumptions.
As for Rios, without looking at the stats or anything, he seems to me to be a well above average defensive CF (stud when you take into account his offense this season) but truly a stud and one of, if not the, premier defensive RF. If we could get a CF who is even better defensively than Rios and then move Rios to RF, we'd have an OF that would cover a ton of ground, regardless of who we have in LF.
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QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 3, 2010 -> 06:09 PM)He listed those guys as RFers with the ability to play CF.
I never said all those guys (although a few can) can play CF. I listed those guys as RF's with good range and arms.
Also, I said don't hold me to the list completely because I was going off of memory.
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QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jul 3, 2010 -> 04:22 PM)There is? I'd like to see this list. Only guys that come to mind for me are Nick Markakis and Hunter Pence. And even those two don't have what I'd call great range.
Just from the top of the head, don't hold me to these names as I am going off of memory and throwing out possibilities.
-Ichiro Suzuki (already mentioned)
-Nick Markakis (already mentioned)
-Hunter Pence (already mentioned)
-J.D. Drew (at least in his younger, healthier days he was a stud)
-Ryan Sweeney (plays a great corner OF and a solid CF)
-Shin-Soo Choo (great arm, solid range)
-Justin Upton (Freak)
-Andre Ethier (Great arm, unsure about his range though. Probably better than Dye and Quentin though, but thats not saying much)
-Jayson Werth (Pretty sure he has good range, not sure about his arm though)
-Jay Bruce (Good range I think and solid arm)
-Rick Ainkiel (when healthy, great athlete)
-Carlos Gonzalez (not sure about arm, but I believe he has great range)
-Jeff Francouer (great arm, probably lacking in range)
-Brad Hawpe (not certain on this one, but IIRC, he has a great arm and pretty good range)
-Tyler Colvin (seems to be a very solid corner outfielder)
-Jason Heyward (stud)
And there are some CF's who could fit into this equation as well. If we got our hands on a STUD CF, we could move our very own very good CF in Alex Rios back to RF where he was likely one of the best in the league. Nate McLouth is mediocre in CF, but would likely be at least above average in RF.
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QUOTE (WCSox @ Jul 3, 2010 -> 09:37 AM)Most players with this skill set play CF. Ichiro is the obvious exception.
There are plenty of right fielders with that skill set.
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I hope we sign Wade and Bosh, and then Lebron re-signs with Cleveland. That way I wouldn't be upset about missing out on Lebron because I think the only reason why he would re-sign is because he never had any intentions of leaving.
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QUOTE (SoxAce @ Jul 1, 2010 -> 11:07 PM)Man seriously there are some f***ed up people out there. Been pissed off for the last two days, but today takes the cake when I found out the details.
One of my closest friends (known since I was 11) just got back from the Army about 2 weeks ago after bring out there for about a year and a half or so. So naturally he's been going out pretty much everyday with us, family, etc.. Couple days ago, he was out with his cousin at a bar (on the north-side I believe), and these 2 guys started to hit on his cousin. She said no, and was not interested. They kept going at it, again... no. Then, they started to get physical with her cause she wasn't interested. Well, my buddy is not a fighter and hates confrontation (despite being 6-4, 260) but he had to step in with what these jack asses were doing to her. Bar-tender kicked them all out.. no problem, so the guy challenges my boy to a fight. He said alright lets settle this like men even though he didn't want to, but probably could never forgive what that dick did to his cousin (which I won't say). The second guy (his friend) wound up sneaking around through the back, turns his truck on and ran my friend over, basically blind-sided him. Then, put the truck in reverse and ran him over again. Now here is my friend due back (or WAS due back) in the Army (and I believe in Iraq) in 2 weeks, is now having his second major surgery (the third, I believe, is scheduled for Saturday) to pair a shattered pelvis, 7 bones crushed in different spots in his left leg, broken knee-cap in his right leg, torn rotator in his left shoulder and broken bones in his left arm, and his face on the left side is supposedly (horrible looking) with the loose skin burned from the concrete/tires. I won't see him till Saturday, but I was incredibly pissed to hear this news today.
Thank god I just heard a couple of hours ago, the police did in fact catch the two f***ers who did this and currently are locked up. No that won't bring back his pelvis, left-leg, etc.. but I hope those scumbags spend a long time in prison. I'm just glad he will probably walk again (even if it won't be 100% again), despite nearly having his spine crushed and better yet.. still ALIVE. Very emotional day.
I feel cruel and unusual punishment should be used for f***ers like that. There is no need for people like that in the world.
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Don Coryell, founder of the Air Coryell and modern passing attack died today. RIP.
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I do everything but bat and play ping pong right handed. My whole family is R-R, but I'm just a natural lefty. No one taught me to bat lefty or anything like that, it was just natural for me. And I carried it over to ping pong when I was a kid because it felt like batting to me.
Only tried switch hitting for fun, never used it in a game or anything. Was mediocre at it, could hit the ball. I bet if I trained at it I could become decent batting right handed.
But I don't believe in switch hitting. Unless you can master hitting from one side of the plate, there is no reason for you to try and hit from both sides of the plate. Hitting is one of the toughest things to do, and I just believe you should just focus on learning how to hit from one side of the plate. Some guys can pull it off though, such as Chipper Jones and Mickey Mantle (was a better right handed hitter, but great from both sides).
The only time it makes sense to me and I can understand it is if you are like me and bat lefty but are right hand dominate, or the other way around. Like me, I'm a natural lefty, but if I batted righty, I'd be able to put my dominate hand to much better use as it would be on top when I bat righty.
Like Ted Williams said, if he batted/was a natural righty, he'd be even a better hitter.
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QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 2, 2010 -> 03:57 PM)Accuracy also counts. Carlos might have a good arm, but he's inaccurate as hell.
I know, as I mentioned already. Like I said, I'd probably prefer Quentin over DeJesus in RF if Quentin was making good throws and used his arm as a threat. However, Quentin doesn't come close to hitting his targets half the time.
We could really use a RF with a ton of range and a canon arm, we haven't had one for a while.
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After looking at this lineup up and down, we need a lot more help than just 1 bat. This offense would still suck if we just added Dunn or Fielder.
As for Freddy, whether we are in it or not, I'd be more than willing to trade him for a decent prospect. Some team in bad need for pitching would probably give up something decent for him, and while he has been solid for us, he shouldn't be considered a key piece of the rotation if we make a run for it or not. The only way we are gonna make a run for a playoff spot is with the front 4. If the front 4 don't preform, it won't matter what the f*** Freddy does.
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QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 2, 2010 -> 03:24 PM)Quentin doesn't get great reads or run the best routes, that's part of why his range sucks.
Range ratings are the combination of speed, reads, and route running, they all lend a hand in the equation.
And what's all this crap about DeJesus having a terrible arm, it's not even bad...
UZR ARM Rating has him as a +6.1 over his career. He has a slightly below average arm for a center fielder and a right fielder, but he has a very good left fielder's arm.
Oh, I know Quentin is no master at reads or routes either. But from what I've seen, Quentin is better at getting good reads and takes better routes than DeJesus. But DeJesus makes up for that and some with his speed.
And his arm is well below average, especially for RF.
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QUOTE (Vance Law @ Jul 1, 2010 -> 05:29 PM)While it is not going to happen (unfortunately) we could upgrade the team a LOT more by adding a solid defensive right fielder and moving Quentin to DH, than by just adding Dunn (or Laroche, Berkman, Scott).
By Fangraphs numbers, David Dejesus would be an improvement of 14.5 runs on defense compared to Quentin. Add in that he's just been 1.4 runs less valuable than Dunn on offense this year, and that's a glaringly better target, and a lot cheaper. There is very little chance of Quentin being moved to DH.
I'm sorry, but I'm not buying the 15 run difference. Would DeJesus provide more range, sure. But he is far from a graceful OF himself and is not that good at judging fly balls and taking good routes. And, as already mentioned, his arm is lacking.
I agree that DeJesus probably would save more runs than Quentin due to the fact he has more range and thus cut down on some doubles. But I don't see it being that much of a difference, based on other things:
Range = DeJesus
Arm = Quentin
Reads = Quentin
Routes = Quentin
If Quentin was actually making good throws and holding runners, I'd probably prefer him in RF this season over DeJesus. However, Quentin, while his arm is stronger, hasn't made enough solid throws and assists from the OF for me to prefer him.
However, it would be nice to have a defensive stud in RF.
Your 2010 White Sox All Star- Matt Thornton
in Pale Hose Talk
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I understand Victor Martinez would have been the reserve if he wasn't injured (I'd consider him more of a DH than a C though)... but outside of Mauer and Martinez, there isn't a catcher in the AL better than Buck (and his .270 BA and .310 OBP) this season?