idseer

yes i read the whole thread. if i misunderstood your quote here then i'm sorry, but it appears you're saying it would have been a good trade had he stayed healthy. my point was that it was NOT a good trade even had he put up his avg. numbers (200 innings, 4.00 era, and about 15 - 9) ... again, unless you know that kw knew about sirotka's permanent injury. we should have expected siro to put up those same numbers or better. and siro is a whole lot younger. imo that makes this a sideways trade at best, and a poor trade looking down the road. (the age difference)

and i'm in agreement here. you can't have it both ways. either kw made ALL jm's decisions, in which case the man has no balls whatsoever (i can't imagine ANY manager putting up with this for years. any self respecting guy would have quit!) - or - jm has no clue about managing. which is it? either way i say get rid of this worthless tool. not to mention i find it hard to believe you can blame the lack of attention to the games basics (bunting, baserunning, pinchhit situations, pitching changes, etc.) on anyone other than the manager. either the sox are tremendously unlucky because they have all the guys in the league who don't know when to run or where to throw the ball or nobody is addressing it. i think this team has had a wealth of talent for about 6 years running and the most jm has been able to do with it is play .500 ball ... in the worst division in the game! it's time for a change!

i keep reading how the david wells trade was bad only because of his injury. i think you miss the point. you say we gave up nothing? i say we gave up our number 1 pitcher (for all we knew at the time, unless you believe kw KNEW sirotka was shot). at BEST this was a sideways trade and imo was not a trade that would help the sox at all. i say let's stop giving kw credit for the david wells trade and that we were just unlucky.

gimme clee

jimenez ... if i'm not too late.

this sounds suspiciously like an old russian i used to know over at the troll board. if that's you 'dima', you still owe my $200 for that valentin bet. how 'bout it?

his troubles came the day he was hired. he has had exactly ONE good HALF season under his belt in all this time. the last half of his "manager-of-the-year" season he managed them to a .500 record (not to mention his post season flop) ... proving the first half of '00 was a total fluke. he's been .500 ever since. he has proven over and over he has no clue to situational managing. he doesn't understand his pitchers OR his runners OR his pinchhitters. and this team is just about the worst at fundamentals. these things are what being a manager is all about! he had nothing to offer from the start and he's learned nothing in all this time. he HAS TO GO!

i can't believe manuel is suddenly being thought of as acceptable. this guy stinks, pure and simple. always has ... always will. if he stays this team (and we) will regret it.

jorge was one of my favs and he played on some very poor teams. he was a versatile guy who could play just about anywhere and was a pretty decent hitter. wouldn't mind him at ss about now in fact.

gimme magglio

ok ... that's cool.

ss! are we essentially starting over and i've lost my 5 correct picks? or is this a continuation?