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You want KW to make a trade
f*** NOWell, trading for a Kenny Lofton from a team going nowhere will not cost anything. Kenny Williams cannot screw it up.
In general, Kenny has made some good trades.....come on ....look at Marte, Colon, Koch (he will be fine soon), Glover, even Sirotka for Wells was not really bad...look at Wells after he left the Sox.....he just got injured here.....he was not all that bad
Yes, Kenny has lost some trades but he has won some too
And frankly, I respect him trying to win a WS on the South with a freaking 50 mill dollar shoestring budget
At least he gives a damn about winning.
I rather have someone going down in flames trying to win as opposed to just sitting still and doing nothing.....look at the freaking Blackhawks
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I am not saying Kenny is the panacea to this team. He is simply a stop gap one year filler to make us better this year.
In fact, what I am saying is the contrary. By getting Kenny, we can still make one big deal at trade deadline....say for another stud pitcher if Buerhle continues to tank and Garland and Wright continue to be inconsistent.
By getting someone like Kenny, we keep all our options STILL open.
What is not to like?
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We'll have to agree to disagree. I don't think any Major League GM in the right mind or even in KW's mind are gutsy enough to bring back a guy who failed for you last year. Especially one whose presence wasn't that great in the clubhouse, from what I understand.
There may be another option, but I do not think Lofton is it.
For another option, I'd love to get Randy Wynn but I think it would be tough to lure him from Seattle.
Actually, it would be quite easy to get Wynn from Seattle
The M's got him by sending Lou to the Devil Rays.
Which means all that we would have to do is send our very own lovable Jerry Manuel
Yep, that is the trick.....
kILLING TWO BIRDS WITH ONE STONE
Post of the week in my book
Post of the week after 9 posts...is that a record around here?
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We'll have to agree to disagree. I don't think any Major League GM in the right mind or even in KW's mind are gutsy enough to bring back a guy who failed for you last year. Especially one whose presence wasn't that great in the clubhouse, from what I understand.
There may be another option, but I do not think Lofton is it.
For another option, I'd love to get Randy Wynn but I think it would be tough to lure him from Seattle.
Actually, it would be quite easy to get Wynn from Seattle
The M's got him by sending Lou to the Devil Rays.
Which means all that we would have to do is send our very own lovable Jerry Manuel
Yep, that is the trick.....
kILLING TWO BIRDS WITH ONE STONE
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We'll have to agree to disagree. I don't think any Major League GM in the right mind or even in KW's mind are gutsy enough to bring back a guy who failed for you last year. Especially one whose presence wasn't that great in the clubhouse, from what I understand.
There may be another option, but I do not think Lofton is it.
No problemo Rex, I just hope KW gets someone here. If not Kenny, that is fine with me, as long as it is an upgrade and we get value (which means not too expensive and we do not give up too much)
Shucks....I just saw Kenny tag from 3rd to home on a popout to 2nd....I am sure Willie could do that, if he could only freaking get on a 3rd base EVER
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Rex
Even if Kenny only stole only once, that would be one more than our current CFs would be able to
Yes, Willie has speed, but when is he on the freaking bases to matter
Trading for Lofton is very risky. If he busts like he did last year, the Sox look completely stupid for allowing history to repeat itself.
I still say bring up Rowand and give him another shot. Give him 2 weeks and if that doesn't work, get someone else. Lofton could be the answer, but if he is not, the Sox look like the biggest idiots around, and I don't think any GM would take that risk.
Rex, we would look like bigger idiots if after all we did in the offseason (trade for Colon, extend Konerko to a huge contract, revise Thomas's contract and get him back, get Flash to replace Osuna, get Koch to get power in the closer role, get Daubach to replace Liefer as our power hitter off the bench, get White as a solid reliever, get Rios as a solid bench player), we did not take a few more steps to fix our holes.
I rather try fixing this mess with low risk moves, than get another high profile player only to see us tank some more.
Kenny fills our holes.....he will have some slumps offensively, but his D and speed in CF is enough to get him here RIGHT NOW
It is all about value, and Kenny provides most value at least cost.
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That's it? Your magic bullet is Kenny Lofton?
Sorry to disappoint, bimarte, but when you have an owner like JR, magic bullets are rare
I mean, of course, I would rather have Beltran...but we are not the freaking yankees
We have a budget that is 1/3 of the yankees, we cannot dream too high
I want this team to get better....and no one can convince me that Kenny is not better for us FOR THIS YEAR than Rowand/Harris/Rios
Let Rios be on the bench. Let Rowand and Harris figure out how to play in AAA.
Next year, one of them might make this team, but this year we need to get better at CF RIGHT NOW.
Again, if we get someone better than Kenny, more power to the Sox....but why do I get the feeling we will not be able to do any better than Kenny...in which case I rahter get him NOW to stop this bleeding
We need to add some different dimension to this team.....Kenny does that
Yes, Rex, Kenny really struggled after his fast start last year with us
But guess what, at his worst, he was as good as Willie or Rowand. Then add in how well he played in the playoffs, and we need him. And keep in mind, you are talking about his O and SB suffering, but what about his D.....he has always been solid there. I am tired of our CF'ers letting balls bounce out of their gloves or not able to reach bloopers (like tonight)
GET KENNY HERE NOW
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Rex
Even if Kenny only stole only once, that would be one more than our current CFs would be able to
Yes, Willie has speed, but when is he on the freaking bases to matter
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The good thing is if Kenny does not work out, it frankly will not matter.
His D and speed in CF will help us win close games. Think about how much better CLee looked last year with Kenny roaming the center.
Anyone else realize what s***ty D we have ..... even if we had the Yankees starting pitching, with this D, we would give up at least 5 runs a game
I hope KW realizes how impt Kenny si to us right now
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So between Willie Harris, Rowand, Rios and Kenny, would you guys still want us not to get Kenny?
I just do not see us being able to get anyone who will give us as much bang for the buck and be a fit in terms of what we badly need
One point I failed to make is Kenny is a much better contact hitter than Willie or Rowand or even Rios
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OK, here are Kenny's stats for 2003 with the Buckos. Guess what
He has 9 steals, which is one less I believe than the ENTIRE SOX TEAM
He is batting 0.299, which is freaking better than every Sox player right now
PLEASE GET KENNY BACK KW
SEASON TEAM G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI TB BB SO SB CS OBP SLG AVG
2003 Pittsburgh Pirates 41 164 28 49 6 1 4 15 69 14 18 9 3 .358 .421 .299
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Hello everybody. I am new to this board. Long time reader, but first time poster.
So, go easy on me
Now, I have been feeling the pain all of you have since the game in Baltimore.
We had a great comeback win tonight, but we need KW to do something to change this team if we want to get to the playoffs.
Clearly, we have two options right now.......either break this team up if it continues to stagger or fix the obvious gaps on this team and FIX IT RIGHT NOW.
I choose the latter.....we should go for it, if we have done so much in the off season, I rather go down trying to improve than just giving up.
So, what are the gaps on this team:
1) Not much speed in the field
2) Not much speed on the basepaths
3) Serious concerns with defense in CF (see Rios today or Willie before)
4) Serious concerns of no CF batting production
5) Too many right handed batters in this team, making it easy for the opposing pitcher
There are other concerns (production from our #3,4,5,6 being obvious), but for now, let's look at the gaps above.
Also, we all know that we have to fix the gaps above under the following boundary conditions:
1) We cannot spend too much (This is JR we are talking about). Also, the crowds have been bad again, so there will not be many options in terms of available cash to spend.
2) We do not want to trade for some stud CF, since it will not only cost a lot, but even if the salary is decent, it will require us to give up some prized prospect like Rauch or Cotts or give up on some current player which will only create another hole.
3) We cannot trade for a CF'er who is the cornerstone of another team or on a team that is gunning for the playoffs themselves. We need to trade with a team that is going nowhere, making it easy to trade in terms of leverage. Also, we need a team that is ALREADY looking to next year, so we do not have to wait until the trade deadline when the cost may go up.
4) We cannot trade Kong or Lee or Daubach....who would want them right now especially at Kong's salary.
So, I have come to the conclusion that we should get a STOP GAP CF'er who may not last beyond this year, but will help us get to the playoffs this year.
AND TIME AND TIME AGAIN.....I KEEP THINKING OF ONLY ONE SUCH PLAYER THAT FILLS ALMOST ALL OF THE GAPS LISTED ABOVE, AND DOES NOT CAUSE US TO BREAK ANY OF OUR BOUNDARY CONDITIONS FROM ABOVE.
Guess who?
Kenny Lofton, my friends.
Yes, he had a bad phase last year, but when he was rocking at the start of the season last year, that was the ONLY time, this team rocked after the 2000 season.
Yes, he had a bad phase last year but he played very well with the Giants in the playoffs last year.
Yes, he is old, but we simply need a stop gap one year player.
He plays for a team, that is already out and will be willing to give him up for not much in return.
Think about it:
1) We get speed in CF.....with Lee and Maggs as our corner OFer's, we badly need someone who can cover lots of ground out there to cover for them
2) We get a legit lead off man with speed who can steal and create havoc on the base.....if nothing else, it will make the pitcher think of a steal with him on the base
3) We get a left handed bat.....suddenly, we put Jimenez at 2 and send Val to 6 or 7 to split up the righties/lefties
4) We get someone who is producing with the bat......he has a 17 game hitting streak I believe for the buckos
Yes, folks are concerned with his attitude (bad in the clubhouse etc from last year), but come one guys......this guy gives us what we desperately need without trading anything precious in return.....do you want KW even have to attempt to trade for Beltran instead, knowing fully well we will get raped in return, most likely
LET ME OFFICIALLY BEGIN THE "BRING KENNY BACK" CAMPAIGN.
Anyone else want to jump on this bandwagon?
Gary Matthews Jr.
in Pale Hose Talk
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Now pray please tell me why we would rather get Sarge instead of Kenny Lofton
Look at their #s....KL has a 20 game hitting streak, more steals, better average, better D and is also a left handed bat who can lead off (something we cannot do right now)