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QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Mar 16, 2008 -> 04:31 PM) Jeremy Bonderman lost 20 games his first season Greg Maddux lost 14 games and posted a 5.61 ERA in his first full season (this was in the mid 80's, so it isn't ridiculous to say if you had that Maddux pitching in this era that you would have had him post something similar to Floyd) Robin Ventura was absolutely brutal to start his major league career Point being, most young baseball players don't experience immediate success. They go through the motions, make adjustments, and the good ones pull out and become something, the bad ones falter. Gavin Floyd has overcame his piss poor showing in Philly and came to Chicago and instead of wallowing around, he got himself back in track and earned a lot of respect based on the way he took the ball every time out down in Charlotte and had a positive attitude and eventually impressed Ozzie/Kenny/Cooper late in the season in Chicago and has came in this spring and continued to impress (sans today start). Bottom line, the history of baseball shows that most young players fail or at least struggle at some point very early in there career before coming through. Floyd clearly has tools, find me a scout that doesn't believe that and I'd be shocked (now i could see a scout saying he's a risk or that he isn't the lock he once was, but I don't think you'd see a scout, who based on stuff alone, didn't think Floyd was worthy of being a major league starter). Whether it pans out or not, I don't know, but he's going to get his chance to open the season and show what he can do. If he sucks, the Sox will call someone else up or go with Masset or trade for someone. They probably will be in a tough spot when it comes to competing if a few of the starters fail, but we all know that the pitchers will have to pitch and Danks/Floyd will have to grow up in a hurry if the club plans on beating Detroit & Cleveland and winning this division. and anthony reyes threw a 1-hitter and lost to the sox in 2006 gavin floyd used to have a great curveball, one of the best in MiLB, but over the last couple years he's lost it completely, and also has a problem throwing the ball for strikes, even when he's trying to get one over he's often-times missing the plate completely and this is just about every single time i've seen him pitch, so unless he has a dead-arm every time he goes out....

what's up with all the f-bombs in this thread, why can't we have a civilized arguement about this kid without people getting all hot and bothered. i'm sorry if it bothers you that much, but there are legitimate arguements on both sides. tossing f'ing this and f***ing that all over the place doesn't do anything for your arguement if seeing discussions about how bad gavin floyd looks to people, do yourself a favor and restrain yourself from hitting the reply button

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Mar 16, 2008 -> 04:18 PM) And a few bad outings, especially if it's in Spring Training, does not make you suck. just curious, what about all the previous years of gavin floyds career, the ones where everyone questioned his mental approach, and his first season in teh MLB where he garnered a, i believe, 7+ ERA? but yeah, he's good, this is just spring training/dead arm

i disagree about our 3-4-5, danks and contreras haven't looked this brutal in spring, gavin is the one i'm worried about

is still garbage, can't throw strikes, he's always inconsistent ozzie thinks this is impressive? in before "this is only spring training" etc etc.

QUOTE(Greg The Bull Luzinski @ Mar 14, 2008 -> 04:36 PM) A lot of people are worried about Floyd and Danks. I really think the guy we should be worried about is Jose. If he starts getting hit around like a pinata this year, who would replace him in the rotation and how much of a massacre would it take? combination of haeger/broadway/masset i'd assume, but you could kiss the season goodbye at that point, jose has to pitch well this year, it's really that simple, we have to have a chance against other teams #4 pitchers and it isn't asking jose much to compete against those types of pitchers

alexei drives in the first run with the first hit, off of harden

QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Mar 11, 2008 -> 06:32 PM) Let's hear which games he blew. This should be fun. I remember Crede's gloving blowing a game back in 2005 when he dropped a foul pop up and the next pitch was crushed over the fence in the 9th inning. i was at that game, f-ing manny ramirez

the video of alexei BP @ espn http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband/player...mediaId=3288836 i take it we're not allowed to post embedded flash videos in our posts? edit: Just watched the video a second time, his hand and bat speed are ridiculous..

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Mar 11, 2008 -> 08:49 PM) Actually they put his MLB stats and preparation ahead of meaningless ST stats. His .225 ba sub .300 OBP was most of what did him in. maybe i'm "misremembering" (lol), but didnt sox brass state that between BA and Erstad, whichever had the better spring would get the starting job?

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Mar 11, 2008 -> 07:01 PM) so after he threw himself under the bus, he got thrown under the bus? His performance and attitude was one of the reasons we even went out looking for another player. All he had to do was act like a professional and perform, he admitted himself that he is now actually focused. ah, i see. so this team puts childish vendettas ahead of fielding a team that's actually trying to win games. rgr that. i don't give a damn about BA's attitude, if he was the better playing in 07 ST, then he should've been given the starting job, barring anything that would warrant the most absolute disciplinary matters (PEDs, illegal activities, etc)

jesus christ, thank god these two losers aren't gonna make the the club when opening day comes around sox lose 7-5, after having the lead 5-2 in the 8th

egbert throwing in the pen!

with phillips on 1st, bourgeois grounds into a 5-4-3 DP with 2 outs, CONTRRRREEERAS!!! singles to left on an 0-0 fastball inside lol

top of the 4th, 0 on, 0 outs 1-0 pitch to eldred, crushes the ball to left 3-2 sox

QUOTE(SoxFanForever @ Mar 9, 2008 -> 03:40 PM) The more I see Ramirez the more I hope he is our starting 2B/Leadoff guy to start the season./ agreed, i know he's raw and it makes a lot of sense for him to start the season in charlotte but anyone who watches the guy hit, can see that he's just BASBALL SMART, uribe is most definitely baseball retarded when it comes to swinging a bat. watching that oppo-swing by ramirez, geez... haven't seen a sox hitter go opposite field, intentionally, in a long time

passed ball, alexei scores from third with BA at the dish 2-2 game. BA K's on a high and tight fastball (swung and missed on the same pitch three times in the AB)

fields weak grounder up the middle, scores one, fields out at 1st, ramirez advances to third 2-1 padres

top of 3rd, paaaaablo leadoff single to left field, followed by an oppo-shot by alexei ramirez to right center, god i love watching him hit.. wild pitch, both runners advance with dye at the dish dye k's on a 1-2 breaking pitch

QUOTE(Greg The Bull Luzinski @ Mar 8, 2008 -> 05:19 PM) and if BA hit anything in 2006 we might have even made the playoffs. wow, lol.

game, sox lose 11-1, offense doesn't show up once again. angels radio guys were taking potshots at the sox offense pretty much all game lol, you could tell they were happy that they were blown out.

was 10-0 prior to the last two innings, d-backs 10-5 now, listening to the gameday audio right now, the way they are playing seems very swaggerish QUOTE(elrockinMT @ Mar 2, 2008 -> 04:20 PM) All they are trying to do as starters is get loose and build up arm strength. Javy is throwing for the first time this spring I believe. Johan Santana got lit up the other day in his Mets debut. nah he has pitched in IS games, but this is the first cactus league game he's pitched

every ball ohka just pitched was hit hard, right to somebody lol

hadn't heard about a new delivery 10-3 dbacks, quentin, crede, ozuna, bourgeois, and thome all get hits (Cabrera in the middle flies out to right) paulie up now

it's only spring, yadda yadda ("He yadda yadda'd me!") Vazquez, J IP:2.1 H:5 R:5 ER: 4 BB:2 SO:3 HR:2 ERA:15.43 lol why no game threads today?