joejoesox

money doesn't equal talent, there are so many players in baseball who get paid way too much money we need to stop dumping so much money into players that aren't great and figure out other methods of acquiring good talent (hello draft/scouts), look at the twins/indians and their payroll and then put it up next to their players, they aren't really making very much money sans a select few, and yet they're pretty amazing talent-wise as a team right now in terms of pure talent, i'd say we're 3rd or 4th in the division 1/2/3 Indians/Tigers/Twins in no particular order, then we're 4th and KC 5th sure, we have some sluggers who can pump out 30-40 a year with around 100 RBI's, and we have one reliable starting pitcher (i love Javy but he hasn't reached that "Reliable" status yet), and our closer seems to be coming around but it all tails off from there we need more talent on this team, and it seems that we won't be able to count on our scouts or minor league coaches to get it, so i guess we have to take approach B: overpay for decent players

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Sep 28, 2007 -> 10:38 PM) No. Jenks has had a fantastic season, but he wasn't even in a top 3 closer in the AL. Putz, Nathan and Papelbon all had better seasons. i'll give you putz and papelbon, but not nathan, he leads jenks in ERA and had 2 less BSV, but jenks had 4 more saves than he did, a lower WHIP, a lower BAA, and of course the 41 consecutive outs

you can toss as much conjecture as you want at me, i really don't care i voted yes, IMO if other closers can get consideration in recent years, then Jenks performance this year deserves recognition Jenks 2007 Line 3-5, 2.77 ERA, WHIP 0.89, 40/46 SV, BAA .196 Tied an MLB record that stood for over 30 years, pretty much underrated all year long, and thats only because this team performed like complete garbage, if we were in a pennant race or had won the division, Jenks would probably be getting a LOT of press this year and would definitely be one of the major stories this post season

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give AJ some credit maybe for his stat line tonight, do we know if his catcher in AAA calls a good game for him or whatever? i don't really pay much attention

uh, how can anyone NOT say it's been jose contreras? is this a joke?

WOW nice turn on the DP Danny, meanwhile 7K's through 5 for lance

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3033346 The umpire allegedly said things that were unprofessional and a disgrace to himself and the game, when speaking to Milton Bradley while he was at first base

2-0 royals, game?

QUOTE(fathom @ Sep 20, 2007 -> 01:39 PM) Hafner will be much better next season. that was the point i was making, if they're doing this well with a not-so-great hafner, imagine how many more games they'll win when he's actually producing

i just think that clevelands team as it stands right now is pretty much good enough to take the division next year, whereas we already have to make at least a handful of moves/trades, detroits bullpen isn't that great so there's a glaring weakness they have as well as Sheff seems to be unable to stay healthy (just like our DH) westbrook/carmona/byrd/sabathia right now look really really good (byrd/westbrook/sabathia are basically unhittable to our hitters, and carmona will most likely get to that point as well if this years performance is any indication) not to mention they're younger/healthier in just about every position than we are, and look where they are right now and hafner isn't even having an average year it'll be tough to stay toe to toe with cleveland next year unless we are able to make the right moves in the offseason

Cleveland will most likely win the division again next year, just my two cents

think there's a good chance wasserman makes the team next year? if they dont bring him back, i'll be seriously scratching my head about what direction this team is trying to go

we could've had porcello before detroit got him, i have no faith in this organization actually farming up great players, so us getting a first pick probably would look something like "And the Chicago White Sox, with their first pick of the 2008 Player Draft select ." (Camera pans to KW High-Fiving JR) Meanwhile, back at soxtalk..... Poster1: WTF? Poster2: lol, why am I not surprised? Poster3: IT'Z BECAUSE OF BORAS etc.etc.

agreed, keep enron out still rooting for the mariners though

QUOTE(Jenks Heat @ Aug 24, 2007 -> 02:20 PM) So much for a good Garland outing. Nice 2.2 IP though. he's so terrible, seriously

so have any of you guys noticed any holes/weaknesses in fields swing that would allow the league to catch up to him next year, that would severely hurt his power numbers? or will his raw talent be enough?

didn't fields hit a HR in a game not too long ago that brought us within 1 and we still lost?

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Aug 16, 2007 -> 10:03 PM) Yet somehow he hits homeruns more often than even Josh Fields, even with his current slump. Jim Thome is probably the hitter taken for granted the most in White Sox history. He was ragged on last season and look at the numbers. When its all said and done this year, they won't be as great as last year, but they will be pretty good. He's the least of the White Sox problems. If he is the biggest problem, this team would be a lot better than 4th or 5th place which is where they will wind up. 1. compare thome's first half last year, to his second half. I only ragged on him last year during the second half first half JT = .298 .414 .651 1.065 (30HR 77RBI) second half JT = .274 .420 .522 .942 (12HR 32RBI) basically, when we finally started closing the gap between us and the twins/tigers towards the end of the season, thome was nowhere to be found 2. if fields put up the #'s thome has since the ASB, he'd be just as terrible as thome is right now Post ASB Thome: .226 / .364 / .396 (OPS: .760) (4 HR 15 RBI) Fields : .261 / .312 / .504 (OPS: .816) (8HR 23 RBI) add in the fact that Fields is making the league minimum, is healthy, and is more productive on the base paths, AND CAN HIT LEFT HANDED PITCHERS, the comparisons are finished, Fields has been the superior hitter since the middle of the season this isn't an attempt to hate on JT, as I said he's one of my favorite players on this team, but as it stands right now: he isn't helping and it's probably due to some nagging injury (he's been hurt and on the DL this year AND last year, so you can sure as hell expect him on the DL next year too, you better hope it isn't as long of a stint as it was this year)

is it just me or has it been extremely rare all year for us to lose a lead, then tie the game back up?

QUOTE(WhiteSoxfan1986 @ Aug 15, 2007 -> 11:09 PM) LOL Let me guess, we would be on our way to another title with Rowand? Thome is one of the only players in our lineup who will ever take a walk, which some people don't understand the value of. believe it or not, i'm one of the FEW people who doesn't give a rats a$$ about seeing rowand come back, because despite his above average D in CF, his bat is below average (yeah, he's having a career year in the NL) my statement wasn't a retaliation to the trade of rowand for thome, I just think we might need another DH, perhaps putting Dye there and finding another RF next year (or whenever we get rid of Thome) wouldn't be necessarily a bad idea

QUOTE(kwolf68 @ Aug 15, 2007 -> 11:04 PM) This team needs total rebuilding. Just tinkering with the edges...adding a bullpen arm and a corner outfielder won't cut it. Most of the guys we have are either just not very good, old, or injury prone, and others look washed up. Fields, Wasserman, a couple of our starting pitchers, Jenks, and Paulie give some hope, but every team in baseball has 6 or 7 good players. The great teams have 15 good players. We have 15 duds. agreed, and speaking specifically about thome, it's either a nagging injury (which probably is the case), or he's losing his touch due to age (IMO doubtful). either way, since coming back from his stint on the DL, his batting average has continued on a downward spiral (and has never went up since coming back), he was hitting nearly .300 after coming off the DL, now he's hitting a robust .260, nearly 40 points down this started after the allstar break last year and has continued into this year

this team isn't going anywhere with jim thome in the lineup, as sad as that is to say because he's one of my favorite players on this team, easily my 2nd or 3rd favorite his OBP is extremely high figuring he never hits, like ever, and its only because when guys ahead of him get on, and steal 2nd, they just walk thome to get to a weaker hitter behind him

QUOTE(Brian @ Aug 14, 2007 -> 08:43 PM) Jenks not available tonight after tweaking his ankle yesterday. eh? ozzie said he is available tonight, just now on the score nvm; rongey was told by coop that bobby isnt avail tinight

would it frustrate anyone here if jenks breaks the record in a meaningless game, where we're going to definitely lose regardless (like today)? I want him to break the record in a game that matters, what about you guys?