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Carlos Silva working on a 1 hitter. 42 pitches through 4.

It's just depressing to look and see we are winning solidly, but with Minny also winning...we gain nothing.

Kyle Sweeney, yay

Ryan gets the job done, good man

Atta boy Alex

I like this lineup. Watch Cintron f*** it all up.

QUOTE(Friend of Nordhagen @ Sep 6, 2006 -> 06:35 PM) Fenway is f-ing us. AJ's would have been a HR in approximately 0 ballparks.

2 on - 0 out for Papi and Manny. THIS LOOKS PROMISING!

Make a mental note to yourself Ryan, stop watching Pods bat.

QUOTE(shawnhillegas @ Sep 6, 2006 -> 06:07 PM) Kyle Snyder. seriously guys, lets remember that we should score at least 6 runs off this guy Didn't seem to matter the last 2 nights.

I'm pretty sure Mack could put up better numbers as a full-time leadoff man than Pods' line since the break.

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Sep 6, 2006 -> 05:06 PM) This year. OBP is not the only thing involved in being a successful leadoff hitter. It is one thing, but not the end all be all. Speed does help. If I can get a .350 OBP guy with speed then I would be very happy. He would preferably know how to play defense as well. This year, yes. Which is what we are concerned about. He is clearly not the same and has been downright f***ing awful for a while now.

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Sep 6, 2006 -> 05:04 PM) He has done it and done it successfully. His .331 OBP this year says differently. And his career .342 OBP is not much to write home about. You cannot just turn away from the issue when Pods has quite clearly been SUCKING for quite a while now.

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Sep 6, 2006 -> 05:00 PM) but they are not everyday MLB leadoff hitters. Pods is?

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Sep 6, 2006 -> 04:52 PM) Hypotheticals: Where would the Tigers be this season if they had Alan Trammel instead of Jim Leyland? Where would the White Sox be in 2005 if they had Jerry Manuel instead of Ozzie Guillen? Where would the Marlins have been in 2003 without Jack McKeon? (under .500 before he was there, best team in the league after switching managers). 1. I would guess fighting for the Wild Card, so he had a solid impact. Where would they be with Jason Johnson instead of Kenny Rogers? Where would they be without Zumaya and Jones in the pen, who they haven't had int he past? How about if Magglio was still injured? Would Leyland have the same impact? 2. Where would the 2005 White Sox be without Jose Contreras, Neal Cotts, or Cliff Politte? This is what I'm trying to say, who deserves the credit? I personally would give the vast majority of it to the players out there actually winning the games. 3. McKeon is an incredible case. Also I would say they were playing closer to where they should with McKeon compared to Torborg, that team was incredible talented.

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Sep 6, 2006 -> 04:49 PM) So then you think 20 games over .500 is having a bad season? Or you're not even giving credit for him having a good season at all? Managers have a 5% effect on all wins and a 15% effect on all loses? That is interesting. So the manager is pretty useless then? OK. How much do you think a manager impacts a team?

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Sep 6, 2006 -> 04:45 PM) so then what is his doing this year? what is his portion this year? I am of the belief that a manager can hurt a team much more than he can help, especially in this case of a veteran laden team. Probably around 85-15, it is not like a quantifiable science. But I do know that he has handled Brian Anderson and BMac like s*** this year.

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Sep 6, 2006 -> 04:40 PM) And Ozzie has nothing to do with that, but everything to do with poor play like this year, right? You're right, my fault. Jose Contreras was awful until last year. Bobby Jenks was let go by the Angels. He had a team of misfits and made them a world championship team. I am not saying it was all Ozzie, but it wasn't all the players either. It was a combination. No actually Ozzie had nothing to do with Jenks success, and was not the main force behind Jose's turnaround. And who said Ozzie is not responsible for last year, but totally responsible for this year? Last year's team won the World Series because of incredible starting pitching, how is that Ozzie's doing? Maybe a combination of around 95-5 proportion.

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Sep 6, 2006 -> 04:32 PM) However, before the season started last year, not one person gave this team a shot to win, not even its own fans. At the end of the year they are world champions. What does that tell you? It was more than JUST the players. The players had to perform and execute, however there had to be more than just that. People weren't picking the Sox because they didn't have Bobby Jenks. People weren't picking the Sox because they did not know Jose Contreras would go insane down the stretch. People weren't picking the Sox because they weren't expecting Cliff Politte and Neal Cotts to be top setup men. People weren't picking the Sox because they underestimated the importance of an excellent defense. It's not like people saw it as a 70 W team and Ozzie magically turned them into World Champs, people just flat out underestimated the team. Ozzie is not the reason we outperformed the "experts" expectations, that is silly to believe.

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Sep 6, 2006 -> 04:27 PM) That said, is he not one of our greatest managers ever? Is that an achievement? Any manager that comes in here and the players win him a world series is one of our best ever, instantly.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Sep 6, 2006 -> 09:32 AM) Yeah, shame we are stuck with one of our best managers ever, damn!!!!!! Yeah, I mean he won us everything last year, all Ozzie, how dare anyone criticize him?

Hopefully Sweeney is playing, otherwise I may need to find something else to do with my night.

Shame we are stuck with Ozzie Go manage winter ball Ozzie, you need more OF speed we need more dugout intelligence.