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    Pham up, Pillar out

    in Pale Hose Talk

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    2 minutes ago, Sleepy Harold said:

     

    Ortega was hitting .241 in Charlotte.

    Just keep Pillar dear lord, if only for his defense. The OF defense is going to be all-time bad. Getz is flailing like a dying fish.

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    Fire Chris Getz

    in Pale Hose Talk

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    On 4/23/2024 at 9:35 AM, Chicago White Sox said:

    Chris Getz - 2024 Players Acquisition Tracker

    Pitchers:

    • Erick Fedde:  5.29 xERA | -0.1 fWAR
    • Mike Soroka:  6.96 xERA | -0.3 fWAR
    • Chris Flexen:  6.46 xERA | 0.0 fWAR
    • Jared Shuster:  2.55 xERA | 0.1 fWAR
    • Steven Wilson:  2.43 xERA | 0.2 fWAR
    • John Brebbia:  7.27 xERA | 0.0 fWAR
    • Tim Hill:  5.28 xERA | 0.0 fWAR
    • Bryan Shaw:  7.41 xERA | -0.1 fWAR
    • Dominic Leone:  8.27 xERA | -0.5 fWAR

    Hitters:

    • Martin Maldonado:  -53 wRC+ | -0.7 fWAR
    • Nickly Lopez: 47 wRC+ | -0.1 fWAR
    • Paul DeJong: 145 wRC+ | 0.5 fWAR
    • Braden Shewmake:  13 wRC+ | -0.3 fWAR
    • Dominic Fletcher:  73 wRC+ | -0.1 fWAR
    • Kevin Pillar:  98 wRC+ | 0.1 fWAR
    • Robbie Grossman:  70 wRC+ | -0.1 fWAR

    So adding it all up, Getz added 16 players to the roster and through 21 games has been able to get -1.4 fWAR from them.  Just for fun, these guys are on pace to provide roughly -11 fWAR on a straight line basis.  That is beyond Rick Hahn levels bad.

    Fire Chris Getz and bring in someone who has actually accomplished something beyond just snitching out the past incompetent regime!

    Something something budget something something saddled with bad prospects something something it's not his fault

    The moment this all started

    in Pale Hose Talk

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    4 minutes ago, lpneck said:

    That's fair- I didn't really mean to specifically play with Tatis.  I meant that he knew the Padres had a young group of talent and were going to be good.  Kind of like the White Sox outlook in 2019, which would have been even better with Tatis on the team.  So my point is the White Sox would have been much more likely to sign Machado (or Harper and other free agents) if they had young potential MVP talent on the roster.

    Yeah - the annoying part is they did have those prospects. Moncada was coming off bad debut, but still had hype. Eloy had hype, and everyone bought into the Robert hype.

    But Tatis obviously makes everything better. Or just signing Machado/Harper. Or both, cause they could have.

    Jerry being a cheap fucker is how this was doomed to fail.

    The moment this all started

    in Pale Hose Talk

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    2 minutes ago, lpneck said:

    The Sox failures begin with trading Tatis Jr. for Shields.  It's possibly the worst trade in the history of MLB, and I don't know why people aren't still screaming over it.

    Shields was 16-35 with a 5.31 ERA in 2.5 seasons with the Sox.  How much better are the 2021 White Sox with an MVP candidate at SS and Anderson playing 2B when he was still good at baseball?

    Machado signed with San Diego to play with Tatis.  You telling me he wouldn't have signed to play with him in Chicago if there was a similar deal in place?

    They could have been set.  Instead they traded a 17 year old who had MVP level upside for a guy who was done and had just given up a HR to Bartolo Colon so that he could pitch out the season for a team that finished 78-84.

    It cost them a decade of relevance outside of 1 playoff win in 2021.

    Lmao no he didn't. Tatis was a highly ranked prospect, while the Sox had a cabinet of highly ranked prospect. He signed with them because the Sox were trying to haggle him on a contract and then San Diego was like "$300M guaranteed" so he signed with them.

    fresh blood

    in Pale Hose Talk

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    5 hours ago, Heads22 said:

    let soxtalk manage the sox. 

    Tray would filibuster the debates about a new stadium for months on end, never leaving the podium.

    4-25 Game thread Sox @ Twins, lucky #7? 12:10 CDT 1st pitch

    in 2024 Season in Review

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    6 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said:

    Pedro being Pedro:

    Lee catching on

    The combination of 37-year-old Martin Maldonado’s .048 batting average with 25-year-old Korey Lee’s .279 average and .791 OPS as well as Lee’s superior defense resulted in Lee catching three of four games of the series, including Thursday’s day game after a night game.

    “I want to get him in there a little bit more consistently,” Grifol said. “At the same time I want to make sure he’s developing at the right pace and not trying to do too much too soon.”

    Lee struck out with Robbie Grossman on third in the second inning, but finished with two hits. He made a sliding catch near the dugout in the bottom of the inning.

    Grifol said Lee workload would be “inconsistent.”

    “Sometimes he’ll play three out of four, sometimes he’ll play two out of four. Sometimes he might play one out of four. It all depends how he’s coming along on his development and the things that he’s got to work on.”

    Pedro is so. fucking. stupid.

    4/25 Games

    in FutureSox Board

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    59 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

    How can he be so good at AAA and absolutely choke on every callup?

    While is AA --> AAA adjustment period wasn't as long as it was the prior levels, Sosa's MO was always: Move up a level, struggle hard, figure it out and start crushing.

    Pedro's coaching sucks, so he basically gets called up and never gets to work his way out of the struggle step. Then he goes down.

    Tommy Pham close to deal with White Sox

    in Pale Hose Talk

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    15 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

    The flaw in your reasoning and defense of Getz is that he is on pace to set a record for futility that no other GM before him has managed to “accomplish”, in any front office situation, whether it be better than the Sox, equally as bad as the Sox, or worse.  If Getz’s team does indeed set the record, your post here likely means absolutely nothing.  You would then somehow have to prove that Getz was promoted into the worst GM/team situation of all time baseball history.

    Yeah, Eloy and Moncada were hurt last year, so they should be a net zero.

    Losing Cease hurts, obviously. And Robert. But Getz decided to keep the med staff (and a lot of minor league coaches).

    But Chris "Baseball Man" Getz completely overturned the pitching staff from OD last year (Kopech and Clevinger aside) and they're hot garbage. I fail to see why Brebbia deserved $4M (I know someone is about to blabber about Hahn, but tough s%*#, he shouldn't make the same mistakes), Maldonado getting $4M, or his other worthless pack-the-roster moves.

    He's burning cash on dog s%*#, like Hahn did, dumping prospects for dogshit, and didn't improve in defense like he boasted he would.

    And if he takes until next year to make a change, then there was truly no point to hire him over an actual baseball executive.

    He also decided to get a 29-year-old reliever for Cease. If Wilson isn't dominant, then they missed out on getting something else in the Cease trade.

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    Tommy Pham close to deal with White Sox

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    4 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

    Exactly.  More excuses for Getz, but I guess he needs them.  Like I said in another thread, other GMs with even bigger payroll constraints than Getz wouldn’t have been successful at building a record-breaking losing team like Getz managed to had they actually tried to do so.

    Watching the end of the game last night my wife asked why they were so bad and I told her it was a combo of the owner being cheap, but the nepo-GM having a lot of hubris as he stepped into his new role assuming he could build a roster of a bunch of players that played like him, which was not a very good player.

    Tommy Pham close to deal with White Sox

    in Pale Hose Talk

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    23 minutes ago, fathom said:

    It’s insane the excuse making that some made for Hahn, and it’s carried over to Getz.   Almost every decision Getz has made since taking over has aged poorly so far.  The Cease return is doing well so far and the Fedde deal looks good.  The rest….terrible

    Yeah, as a former Hahn apologist it's ridiculous to hear it get repeated.

    The man had two skills (in my opinion), which was teardowns and extending young players. But he couldn't develop players,  sign good free agents, or trade for veterans without devastating the farm system in some stupid manner.

    Tommy Pham close to deal with White Sox

    in Pale Hose Talk

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    3 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

    You are a constant ray of sunshine. Getz' job isn't to accept massive failure. It's to improve the team every chance he finds.

    He pretty much had his hands tied by the slashed payroll. I really don't think there was much he could do besides spend a little here and there and try to get some projects to turn into minor leaguers at the TDL.

    I have no idea if Getz will be a good GM or not. It's difficult to say when JR is pulling all the strings.

    I really have no idea what you think should've happened this off season but I'm pretty sure it was unrealistic from Reinsdorf's perspective. Saying that Getz should just do nothing now isn't going to happen. He has to reshape the future of this franchise without money . Because of that everything is just baby steps that look unimpressive and unimportant . But another minor leaguer at the TDL could end up an important piece for the future no matter how remote that seems.

    Yes, this excuse was used for Rick Hahn and the general response was that if it was so bad, he could just have not taken the job.

    GMs with tighter leashes were able to build rosters that weren't on track to be the worst team in major league history.

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    fresh blood

    in Pale Hose Talk

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    1 minute ago, nrockway said:

    wouldn't mind seeing Duke Ellis. .830 ops at AA, 16 stolen bases in 13 games! there are a bunch of solid outfielders on this team but I guess there's no real point in rushing them. Colas or DeLoach should be playing over Benintendi. The Red Sox have the nerve to bench their highly-paid corner outfielder, and Yoshida is a much better player than Benintendi is, so why is Benintendi's spot apparently safe?

    As someone who loves Duke Ellis, it'd be insane to have him skip AAA for anything short of having him as an emergency bench guy.

    The team needs to let all of their prospects go up through the normal cycles.

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