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QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Sep 11, 2012 -> 09:36 PM) 6 innings, 3 runs is not choking. Especially given the fact that the Tigers have a good offense (and Peavy has been used like a whore in amsterdamn). It isn't dominating but it certainly isn't choking. How about the offense for failing to deliver and the bullpen for really s***ting the bed in the 8th (plus Youk/RV for the failed bunt). ERA 4.00 against division rival = choking. This would apply to Chris Sale as well. The Peavy Kool-Aid should be empty by now. He would have made a better Cub. Also momentum doesn't exist in Sox vocabulary.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Sep 11, 2012 -> 10:17 PM) I'm tired of this baseball "book." I had people at the game tonight tell me that it was "baseball 101" to bunt with with Youlk in that situation. This "book" might have flew in the 40's but we all have these numbers to tell us how wrong this god damn fake book is. And that's not even counting the fact that we're having god damn Youk bunt. I haven't had much bad to say about Robin this year but there's no way to defend that bunt, an absolute horrid decision and there's no arguing that. That being said Leyland did the same bulls*** bunting earlier when you knew Miggy was going to get walked. Both managers embarrassed themselves tonight. Robin one upped him by using Liriano.

QUOTE (Jake @ Sep 11, 2012 -> 10:12 PM) My belief is that Youk may very well be able to bunt. You don't need to bunt often to be able to bunt effectively. I think Youk and Robin both believed that he could bunt. Youk's pitch selection cost him a chance to prove either way. If his pitch selection on bunts against him was that bad, why do you think he'd have hit successfully? Maybe it's time to move him down the order.

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 11, 2012 -> 09:55 PM) Kinda like when he asked De Aza to squeeze on Sunday. All season, he was doing a good job of not using the bunt too much. However, it seems the pressure of the pennant race has caused him to go overboard with the bunt. The pen is so inconsistent that playing for a tie is playing to lose.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Sep 11, 2012 -> 09:39 PM) The whole problem with this game was bunting with Youkilis. You take the bat out of an aggressive fastball hitter's hands and put him on the defensive when we should have been playing for the lead, not the tie, there. Go for the jugular. With all the struggles with RISP over the last two weeks, I'd rather swing away with 3 at-bats by YOUK, Wise and Konerko than play small ball to try to extend the game, because the Tigers still have the overall bullpen advantage. Hit a homer that inning and the entire series and season shifts back to the White Sox. Now it's "uh-oh," Scherzer and Verlander are coming again, we're doomed, etc. If we want to go to the playoffs this season, we're going to need to prove we belong by winning one of these 2. Otherwise, we'll be 1-10 in our last 11 games played against DET. That's beyond pathetic, that's beyond anything we ever managed to do (negatively) against the Twins even. Getting b**** slapped by the division winning rival has been the footprint of the KW regime. There's gotta be some super computer running super sabre metrics to explain the mental midget breakdowns. It's obvious Peavy is a mental midget since his sample size has increased that he's 0 for big games. Then there's Youk who came from a team that choked last season. Kenny has also collected former Indians, Royals that only hurt the Sox and hurt the Sox more by wearing the uniform. Drawing 30,000 tells you that more Sox fans believe history will repeat itself in choking. The annoying part is getting owned by the division rival. That is the constant and Manuel, Ozzie and now Robin can't over come that.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Sep 11, 2012 -> 09:44 PM) One thing's for sure, if Floyd gets rocked early...we go to Axelrod and possibly Humber if it's a COMPLETE ROUT of 6+ runs or more down, but we definitely can't sacrifice 5-6-7 relievers coming into Thursday in a game where Sale might not get past 5 or 6. The difference between yesterday and today is like having a whore for a girlfriend. When you think your loved, the next day she's with someone else. I don't want to see Jake Peavy anymore. I'm sure the ace will come out facing Cleveland. Too many of the more experienced veterans on this team lay down in big games. I imagine PK will bunt tomorrow or even a Dunn PH sacrifice bunt.

QUOTE (Noonskadoodle @ Sep 11, 2012 -> 09:31 PM) HAHA not sure if you are serious or not but if this team loses it affects my ENTIRE next day haha....If they win im out on the streets signing autographs over here DEEEEEEP in Tigers/Indians territory Very serious. It was a great post. Watching A's vs. Angels or Dodgers vs. Dbacks is baseball. It's entertainment, no invested emotional interest. But watching a team coming off a high last night only to be ruined by Big Game Peavy which should be a more winnable game compared to Scherzer and Verlander...pisses most fans off. Could we have the other eye blackened on Peavy's picture please?

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 11, 2012 -> 09:31 PM) How in the hell are we going to win 3 out of 4 against a team that owns us? Because Peavy will beat em....Oh wait..........

I might check out the As and Angels. Oakland looking really good.

QUOTE (Noonskadoodle @ Sep 11, 2012 -> 09:26 PM) You can think that all you want haha....... Good one!

QUOTE (iamshack @ Sep 11, 2012 -> 09:25 PM) I want to get Gordon up there so badly Me too.

Valverde is another one Tiger fans want gone. He is like their version of Reed.

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 11, 2012 -> 09:19 PM) He was bunting from the very first pitch I missed that. I would think that would be Youks choice.

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 11, 2012 -> 09:15 PM) I'm pretty confident there wasn't a single person on this board that wanted Youk bunting. Am I the only one that thinks Youk decided to bunt on his own? Unless I'm wrong I didn't see him square around until after the 1st strike.

QUOTE (RZZZA @ Sep 11, 2012 -> 09:10 PM) Sox fans losing their minds in this thread, lmao After last nights game, rookie with a tired arm shocks the fan base vs. Cy So Long Ago Can't Beat Detroit Big Game I'm Such A f***in Competitor Jake Peavy I can see the irrationality.

QUOTE (Noonskadoodle @ Sep 11, 2012 -> 09:08 PM) LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO you think Olmedo is young??? wow Bet you think Dan Johnson is 22 as well huh? You missed the point entirely.

QUOTE (Noonskadoodle @ Sep 11, 2012 -> 09:08 PM) LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO you think Olmedo is young??? wow No just bad at baseball.

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 11, 2012 -> 09:07 PM) As the #4 hitter, you hope from more at the plate than a couple of flares to right field that drop in. Even when he's had hits of late, they've been extremely soft (been that way for about 3 months it seem). I doubt is average is high with MOB or RISP.

I wouldn't mind seeing this team much younger next season but it can't be guys like Olmedo or guys who will never have a chance in the bigs.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Sep 11, 2012 -> 09:01 PM) This is what you get when you try to give up one of your most clutch hitters this year by having him bunt. BTW, he's bunted like once in his career before. No s*** it would turn out like crap. I think that was Youk's choice.

and..............another big time veteran choke job.

Another big time veteran choke job.

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 11, 2012 -> 08:48 PM) It would be nice for Peavy to step up and win a big game once though in a Sox jersey. He's done nothing to change the perception he has of being a terrible "big game pitcher". I bet Rosenbloom brings this up tomorrow.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Sep 11, 2012 -> 08:46 PM) I doubt any of this would have happened had he just brought Crain in to begin the inning. Crain has been pitching high in the zone. He's still struggling.

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 11, 2012 -> 08:43 PM) I'd be stunned if he's not on the Dodgers next year. To his credit, it's no shock he's tiring down the stretch. Just an insane workload for him this season, and there were definitely opportunities to limit his pitch count in earlier starts. Maybe we could send him there now and get Gonzalez. He could replace Dunn.