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QUOTE (2nd_city_saint787 @ Jan 10, 2012 -> 02:38 PM) So what happens if Dunn and Rios are good next year and you've traded everything else around them? You have to give them a shot at turning it around under the new coaches. Then we add at the deadline using our newly acquired prospects. "What if our bad team plays well?" Then great! But only a fool would operate and plan on the assumtion of that happening. Look, in an ideal world, we could always just keep all our expensive players in case they might play better, but money is an object, whether the fans like it or not, and whether JR is making money or not.

QUOTE (SOXOBAMA @ Jan 10, 2012 -> 11:20 AM) then we won't be any better off than where we stand today. At least we have a direction.. I can't stand Billy Beane but he had the right approach for his team this year Didn't you say you wanted KW to start signing some quality free agents?

QUOTE (SOXOBAMA @ Jan 10, 2012 -> 10:54 AM) I'd hope for some of these players we would get some great young prospects into this organzation. Peavy gone after this season and with all the money that the Sox saved, they can use it on next year free agency QUOTE (SOXOBAMA @ Jan 10, 2012 -> 09:39 AM) There is some decent talent left in the free agent market for us to sign. I just hope KW starts bringing people in here SOON. What exactly are arguing for? Getting prospects or trying to win in 2012?

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 9, 2012 -> 12:27 PM) How is having David DeJesus on your roster rebuilding? We picked up a player who'll be better and cost us virtually nothing in Alejandro DeAza. Are you serious? Classic rebuidling move. All his peripherals suggest DeJesus had a year that was (1) unlucky, and (2) negatively affected by his ballpark. Cubs sign him on a short term deal at an extremely low rate, and now they will benefit not only by having a cheap way to win them a couple extra games for their fans while they rebuild, but also a potentially valuable trade chip at the deadline.

I like every move Hoyer/Epstein have made this winter. I don't think you can compare their moves and KW's moves apples to apples. FWIW, I like the thought process behind all of KW's moves too, which is really all I can ask for, since I don't know how good they think the prospects are.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 9, 2012 -> 09:29 AM) I have nothing to base it on, but with the way this off-season has gone, I'll bet the Danks extension finally came together because Kenny was going to trade John to somewhere like Baltimore or Toronto where he didn't want to go, so his "price" for an extension quickly dropped. It happened way too randomly at a time when Kenny was/is selling this team to the highest bidder. That makes a ton of sense, I hadn't thought about that.

QUOTE (flavum @ Jan 9, 2012 -> 09:47 AM) Blue Jays DFA Mark Teahen. I have to admit, if he never played for the Sox in the past, I'd say he's a perfect fit now. Sox need a 3B/1B lefty bat with some pop. I know it isn't logical, but I'd rather have Robin Ventura back-up third than have Teahen on the 40-man roster.

Ugh, no thanks. Why not just get Andruw Jones back? He's better at defense.

I would extremely unhappy with this deal. I guess it makes sense as a salary dump though.

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Jan 5, 2012 -> 04:54 PM) Maybe, but I do think Floyd could command Drabek + McGuire (it's a bit costly for Toronto but Drabek seemed to fall hard). They obviously know a lot more about Drabek than we do. I would be willing to bet that if we could get Drabek too, it's because they believe he's cooked, which may end up being a bad thing.

QUOTE (SOXOBAMA @ Jan 5, 2012 -> 04:40 PM) If this deal is true, it will give the Sox more money to get Cespedes.. An OF of Viciedo RF Cespedes CF Gose LF would be incredible for many years.. No chance we're getting Gose. This rumor is unlikely anyway, but AA loves Gose. Besides, he's RAW. He's basically a slightly better/not injured version of Jared Mitchell/Keenyn Walker from what I've heard.

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Still nothing from any credible news source.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jan 5, 2012 -> 04:15 PM) No doubt. They're a Gavin Floyd away from catching the Rays, Yankees and Red Sox. If they'd have gotten Latos and then signed Fielder, they actually would be a Gavin away.

QUOTE (Big Daddy Kool @ Jan 5, 2012 -> 04:07 PM) Can we all make up one? Floyd, Beckham, Rios, Ramirez, Humber, Reed, and $22m for Jose Bautista!

QUOTE (Big Daddy Kool @ Jan 5, 2012 -> 04:07 PM) Can we all make up one? Floyd and Flowers for Drabek and D'Arnaud!

Watching this develop is becoming hilarious.

What about Noah Syndergaard? I'd rather have him than either Drabek or Deck

QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 5, 2012 -> 03:48 PM) I would be stunned if it's for both of those guys. Definitely, I would bet Thornton moves too. Or someone like that.

QUOTE (Whitewashed in '05 @ Jan 5, 2012 -> 03:42 PM) I thought Drabek was good? Everyone kept talking about him when dealing with the Jays. Big-time pedigree, disappointing so far. Think Justin Smoak.

Now I'm dreaming up this huge scenario where a team is publicly owned like the Packers, but they make all the roster decisions by popular vote. Anyone in the city could vote, but in order to vote, you'd have to show up to a voting event where team officials presented their cases for what they wanted to do, so you wouldn't have a bunch of casual fans screaming to sign everyone and never trade veterans, both because they wouldn't bother to sit through the rpesentations and because if they did, they'd at least have to hear a rational argument. It would be a disaster on many levels -- strategic confidentiality, cost of operation, slow administration, to name a few -- but it was fun to think about.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 5, 2012 -> 02:18 PM) Can we all send off faxes/e-mails to all the major league GM's to let them know Gavin Floyd is currently available...to please bid on him and bump up the return by getting all the teams in baseball to "e-bay him" into a stellar prospect haul? That would be hilarious. It would evolve into this huge thing. Soon we'd be deciding who WE wanted to be available. KW would publicly protest, but at the end of the day, he'd be getting calls on guys, and deals would happen from time to time. We'd be like another branch of government; the popular vote says MOVE FLOYD FOR PROSPECTS. OFFER KENNY PROSPECTS.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jan 5, 2012 -> 01:45 PM) Like Ubaldo! Listen, I think he's overrated too, but the fact of the matter is that Humber is a fallen prospect, almost a soft-tosser with a curveball he has trouble locating, that everyone gave up on a long time ago, and Ubaldo is perceived as an ace talent with upper-90's heat and a nasty slider, and on an awesome below-market contract.

QUOTE (DirtySox @ Jan 5, 2012 -> 01:34 PM) No idea who this guy is, but: Straycats23 Hollywood Gavin Floyd close to being a Blue Jay. 36 seconds ago Favorite Retweet Reply Maybe it's someone reading this thread! This is weird, nothing at all from MLBTR yet.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 5, 2012 -> 01:26 PM) Why would you trade him otherwise? Incredibly friendly contract, put up spectacular numbers last year, just wore out towards the end, under team control for 4+ years. Humber has played well for a half a season in his career. I'm not saying you trade him, but he is nowhere remotely close to Ubaldo Jimenez in value.