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if Lebron does choose Miami, then the local TV stations in Cleveland might as well just air the Miami games next year. Hey, the fans will still see Lebron on TV, and they won't know if that's Jermaine O'neal instead of Anderson Varejao. besides, who would want to watch the Cavs if Lebron isn't there.

QUOTE (Real @ Jul 8, 2010 -> 04:03 PM) miami is gonna be his destination, ive convinced myself BronBron is terrified and nervous according to what ive read from people who are reporting from wherever he is right now, bball camp or w/e Cleveland is gonna fall off the map he is terrified!?!! he doesn't have to be. i would love to read your source lol

QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Jul 8, 2010 -> 04:04 PM) You are being quite ridiculous. No small forward gets 46% of their shots in the basket area, not even Lebron. If you want to argue that an elite power forward in recent years plays more like a SF, it's clearly Dirk or Garnett since neither of them have been over 30% in the basket area in recent years. You're basically trying to penalize him for being a more versatile offensive player. dirk is a traditional European player, he is white, he doesn't have the athleticism, i have nothing to say to that. Garnett plays like a small forward on offense, but is an excellent defensive big man, while bosh does neither. there is no point of going further here. just make a list to yourself the attributes of a big man, and the attributes of a small forward, and ask yourself if bosh's attribute fits a small forward more than a big man.

QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Jul 8, 2010 -> 03:41 PM) It's stupid because NO big man would be as effective down low if you subtracted several inches from their height. So Bosh gets penalized because he can hit jumpers and handle the ball a bit? He's still WAY more dangerous down low than any small forward not named Lebron, and he rebounds just fine for the position. He's a power forward all the way. charles barkley and elton brand says hi. players will be less effective on the post IF they are shorter, but bosh has the size, but still isn't great at the post, and plays like a small forward. He is a oversized small forward. Just sayin...

QUOTE (whitesoxfan99 @ Jul 8, 2010 -> 03:38 PM) Yet he draws fouls at a much higher rate than Boozer so he gets to the line more and have you watched the Jazz? Boozer gets a ton of his shots at the rim off of the pick and roll and put backs not from low post moves. yes, he also uses his strength to back down and get close inside shots, easy layups, turn around jumpers, and occasional hook shots. Is it safe to say he is a more traditional big man then Bosh and a better low post scorer of the two. Yes. Why discount him for pick and rolls? Amar'e used it a lot with Nash, that doesn't take anything away from him.

QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Jul 8, 2010 -> 03:19 PM) LOL, that is one of the dumber things I've seen. Shaq wouldn't be a center if he weren't 7'1" 300 pounds either! KG and Sheed are definitely better defenders and rebounders, that doesn't mean that they still don't have a very thin build. Amare is bigger, but plays very soft up front and isn't a good rebounder. None of the power forwards in this class can defend the post or block shots. Lee, Boozer, Amare and Bosh are all below-average defenders. As for the comment that he doesn't play down low, that's just crap. 46% of his shots came in the basket area and he converted over 60% of them. He does just fine down low. Is it really that hard to comprehend? If he wasn't 6'10, he is a pure small forward BECAUSE he doesn't have the skills sets of a traditional big man. If Shaq wasn't 7'1 and 300lb, he still is a great low post scorer, knows how to use his strength, and got a highly accurate hook shots. if bosh is 6'8 weighs 230, plays like the way he is, he would something similar to luol deng. Other players have the size and skillsets, bosh only has the height, not the weight nor skillsets. you sure do know your stats man, but if you watched his game, he is also a better slasher than most big man in the league. He got most of his 46% inside shots from layups, drives to baskets. He can play the post, but just isn't very good at it.

part of boozer's problem is he plays with Okur, so it's not like he's getting alot of help either. When he plays with Noah and Taj, they will take the better low post player, so i think boozer will handle his defensive assignment alright. Of the trio of Bosh Amare and Boozer, Boozer is also the best rebounder and low post scorer, so I will take him for what he is worth.

QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Jul 8, 2010 -> 03:04 PM) Well if Shaq said it it must be true! Does that mean Garnett is an oversized SF then? What about Rasheed Wallace? Amare? A lot of power forwards aren't really low-post bangers anymore. KG looks like a paper man, but he can defend, block shots, and rebound as well as anyone in the league in his haydays. Sheed is very good low post defender, block shots and good strength. Amare is stronger than bosh, more athletic, and got 20lbs on him. Bosh can't defend the post, can't block shots, doesn't have the strength, nor is he a gifted low post scorer. He is 6'10 and weight 230lbs, he plays on the perimeter and shoots a lot of midrange jumpers. Yes, he would be a small forward if he wasn't 6'10

QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Jul 8, 2010 -> 02:41 PM) Bosh is better because he's a better player, PER is what you use to try to back that up. He is a better offensive player than Boozer and is more mobile. Also, any expert in the league will tell you that Bosh is a better player, and that Boozer isn't even a top-5 player at his position. I lost track of where else this was going, other than laughing at your general "Bosh is an overrated SF that had a career year" point. I said Bosh was an oversized small forward who is also a good rebounder.. Bosh is the rupaul of basketball. That's what shaq said.

QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Jul 8, 2010 -> 01:51 PM) Minutes played are obviously a major consideration. There's a big difference in posting a 20-plus in 38 MPG and doing it in 20 MPG. Chris Bosh has consistently been one of the most efficient big men in the league in heavy minutes. He's a very good offensive player that is effective on the glass. People argue Kobe over Lebron because he has Pau Gasol and wins more, that doesn't mean Kobe's a better player. The team around you has a huge impact on your individual standing. Pau Gasol got basically all of the same crap thrown at him as Bosh did now when he was with Memphis, now you don't hear any of that because he landed in a much better situation. I never argued that Bosh is a good defender, guys have their own strengths and weaknesses. Bosh doesn't have a ton of bulk, so he needs some help doing the dirty work inside. Pairing him with Bargnani up front is just asking him for trouble, pairing him with someone like Perkins or Noah would drastically improve things. It's not Bosh's fault they had a poorly constructed roster. Howard is one of the best defenders in the league so of course their defense is decent. He's an awesome defender and the rest of their team is fairly average. I don't see how that is relevant in any way since Howard is clearly better than Bosh and isn't on any of the teams in question. Players that can single-handedly improve an entire defense are rare. huh? what? I am talking about individual skills sets, not winning. Any team Bosh was on sucked, end of argument. 4 Years ago, Lakers were crap team, Kobe is averaging 35 ppg, people crown him as the best in the league. Now it's a debate between Lebron and Kobe, and yet their PER is drastically different. It's could be the same debate with Bosh and Boozer. You can't necessarily say Bosh is better than Boozer just because of PER, it doesn't measure accurately. It also depends on the team you are on, the style of basketball you play, the competition you played against, and the efficiency on defense, any type of clutch plays, how they fare in the playoffs. You can't measure any of those with PER. So to say Bosh is better than Boozer because he consistently puts up better PER is faulty.

QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Jul 8, 2010 -> 12:14 PM) Um, what? That isn't remotely true. Bosh has put up a PER north of 22 for five straight seasons (a total Boozer has only reached once) while averaging at least 22-9 every year during that stretch. As for the Toronto part, have you looked at their roster? They're playing a small forward at center, of course their defense sucks. Put him on a team that doesn't have a lot of soft, jump-shooting European players and their defense would improve. PER is nice advanced stats, but it's not what separates a good player from a bad player. Marrese Speights had a PER of close to 20 in his rookie year, does that mean he is the rookie of the year over Rose? Kobe's PER is always far from Lebron's, why do people argue Kobe over Lebron? You can't compare two players base on their stats and PER. Stats don't measure intangibles. Yes, Deng and Beasley have similar numbers, but 95% people will tell you they will rather have Deng over Beasley. the Magic had a great defensive team over the past two seasons, and the guys like Lewis, Carter, Nelson, Turkolu aren't remotely close to being great defensive players. It was all due to Howard's inside presence. Bosh was surrounded by subpar defensive players, but it's no excuse to finish last in the league in defensive efficiency. If you have watched any of the Raptors game, he is not physical defender, not a good help defender, nor does he block shots. He is not a good defender. Period.

i remember just two years ago many analysts called bosh an overrated oversized small forward who is also a decent rebounder. Yes, he had a nice run last year during his contract year, it's highly doubtful he will have another year like last year's. With him in the lineup, Toronto was the worst team in the league in terms of defense. So i dont think you can call him a defensive stopper either.

QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Jul 8, 2010 -> 11:47 AM) I don't really see how you can say that when the two best players in the equation are on the other side. Deng and Beasley are both talented forwards that most seem to want to give away for free, so they kind of cancel out. Does Noah's defense/rebounding make up ALL of the difference between the caliber of the two stars? Hard to say. I would say it depends on who else signs. If they Heat got Haywood or some other defensive center, then I'd say they're better than the Bulls since Noah is the only edge you can really argue that Chicago has right now. You must be high if you think Deng = Beasley. Unlike Beasley, deng doesn't have attitude problems, and works hard on defense. Deng is a grown man, and beasley is a whiny little b****. Heat wants to trade Beasley for a pure salary dump, but Bulls would actually get something in return for Deng. Overall Deng is a much better player and team player right now. deng > beasley by a landslide the heats have 1 superstar, 1 borderline superstar, 1 bench player, bulls have 1 future superstar, 1 allstar, and 1 potential allstar. Given that, I would say Heats might have a little bit of an edge there. but the bulls also have two solid role players in Gibson and Johnson. And the Bulls should have about $2.5mil to sign a free agent after they hand out a max, while if the Heat sign the big 3, they would be forced to sign only minimum contracts. So overall, the Bulls should have an edge overall in terms of roster. But roster is not the biggest concern here, Lebron's ego and loyalty ultimately decides where he will sign.

QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Jul 7, 2010 -> 09:39 PM) Bulls need Anthony Morrow big (assuming no LBJ). He'd be the perfect sixth man. I'd also sign Ronnie Brewer to be our starting 2-guard. Not a great offensive player, but can score efficiently and play solid D which we will need at the guard spot. Also brings nice size. I'd also go for Luke Ridnour for the back-up PG spot to round out the roster along with Asik who is a forgone conclusion as an addition. Rose/Ridnour Brewer/Morrow Deng/Johnson Boozer/Gibson Noah/Asik That is a solid group right there who should hopefully grow into a bonafide contender in couple years when Rose becomes hopefully a star. that starting 5 would require no defense at the perimeter, all opposing defense has to do is stay at home around the painted area to guard Rose's penetration. Brewer would be a nice addition for a 6th man My 5 would look like this rose/ jwill or ridnour allen or miller / morrow deng / barnes boozer / gibson noah / ratliff or asik

this thought just got to my mind. boozer will be a post up player for the bulls, which means Noah will be forced out of the paint more often, where he will attempt to do some catch and shooting. We will see a lot more of those ugly shots from Noah next season.

QUOTE (SuperSteve @ Jul 7, 2010 -> 05:55 PM) I stop reading for a few hours and it takes forever to catch up. Can anyone share the story about Delonte West and LeBron's mom? it was rumored that Delonte did this http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/17/g...o_n_578750.html

just a thought, if lebron comes to the bulls to join the current roster, wins 6 rings and plays for the same amount of games as Jordan did, while average stats to his career average, who would you say as the greatest of all time?

QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ Jul 7, 2010 -> 05:43 PM) he's a 2 time all star there and his overall postseason numbers are 20/12, in the west that is good. Also he's a power forward, he needs a good PG to make the most out of him offensively, not comparing Deron Williams and D Rose, but Rose is a good PG really? are you a fan of Tmac back in the days? just assuming lol There is no question that he is talented, but he is also soft, doesn't hustle and play hard to fit the mold of a player on a championship team. It would be great if signing Lebron can get more commitment out of him.

QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ Jul 7, 2010 -> 05:39 PM) Boozer has accomplished a lot in the Western Conference which has been much tougher than the East on a night in and night out basis. really, he hasn't accomplish much, much of their success is due to Dwill, they played just as well when he was hurt and Milsap subbed in. He got flamed I think in the 09 postseason for being too soft and not hustling and attacking the basket during a playoff game.

QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ Jul 7, 2010 -> 05:31 PM) well he's on the Bulls for 5 years and they played on the redeem team on the same court 2 years ago boozer wasn't the reason why USA won the medal. he was only a small part of it. Boozer just appears to me as a guy who doesn't work hard on defense, doesn't come through when it matters, and sometimes loses interest to the game. Let's say if Boozer calls up Lebron and say, hey Bron come join me in Chicago, I am committed to winning just as you are, I will help you get that ring! Lebron would be like bulls***, you are about the money more than anything. I hope it's not the case, but it could be in Lebron's mind.

QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ Jul 7, 2010 -> 05:25 PM) I've seen reports that they actually stayed good friends despite that incident. they could be good friends off the court, but I think Boozer lost some of his credibility to Lebron when it comes to basketball. If I am Lebron, I can't fully trust Boozer's commitment to the team again.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 7, 2010 -> 05:20 PM) I think it is good that Boozer and LBJ have been teammates on the olympic team. That should help. they also had been teammates on the Cavs in 2003, then Boozer left Lebron hanging by bolting for the Jazz. Would Lebron really take Boozer serious on free agency matters again?

if you are delonte west, would you really want to sleep with her? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/17/g...o_n_578750.html looks like the depression issue is really getting to his head.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 7, 2010 -> 05:14 PM) It could be something. I mean, you don't just change your paperwork. What all it truly means, I'm not so sure because I really don't know what he did. I assume he is changing his mailing address to a new location, but it claims it is an agency anyway so maybe he just changed agency that manage something for him? No idea. it's really a bulls*** story that Lebron changed his personal information. I mean, he could at least change it after he made the official announcement, it' not like he wanted to GTFO ASAP. Plus, so much could change within the next 24 hours to alter his decision, such as Bulls signing Boozer like we just saw.

interesting to see how Boozer fits in with Tom Thibodeau's philosophy. He is known as a weak defender.