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QUOTE (hitlesswonder @ Jun 30, 2010 -> 09:41 AM) .300, 30HR, 40 SB is his floor? If that were remotely true, he wouldn't have lasted until the Angels pick. If you want to criticize the Sox, rip them for their lack of investment in Latin America and not being willing to sign over slot in some drafts. The Sox were not the only team to pass on Trout. Moreover, the guy they picked instead was a high ceiling athlete with speed, power and plate discipline (who obviously had issues with Ks). Mitchell was not a safe pick. Sure, it seems likely Trout would have been a better pick, but picking Mitchell at the time is very defensible. I am not sure about Trout's signability then, but by safe pick, I meant in terms of the team's ability to sign him. I think Mitchell was an easier sign for them considering he is a college bat and Trout is only a high schooler. Isn't that one of the reasons why the Sox went with Broadway and McCulloch?

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jun 30, 2010 -> 09:15 AM) For some reason, I always thought he adored Sale, yet couldn't find things after the draft, and I thought he fell to 47 on Klaw's board only once the Sox drafted him. Just found that's not true, so yes, that was moronic. I knew Law has Sale as the 43rd prospect on his board all along, base on what he said on the report, Sale could have ranked higher if he can repeat his delivery and sustain his velocity deep into the game, and will be able to reach the majors as a starter. But he doubted it, and that's why Sale was ranked so low. But if you read the Top Prospects article, it seems pretty random how he, of all people, threw Sale's name out there and bash him for his delivery, when we didn't expect any new draftees to be on the list.

QUOTE (Ozzie Ball @ Jun 30, 2010 -> 09:02 AM) This thread certainly doesn't describe things as I remember them. Trout was seen seen as very raw coming out of HS with questions over his contact ability. He was compared to Aaron Rowand a lot because he's a grinder who wasn't thought to have great tools (above average hitter, average power). I can't remember anyone saying they wanted Trout. I certainly didn't want him. Since being drafted Trout has obviously exploded, but there's a reason why he was picked at #25. The Sox went for the higher upside guy in Mitchell (despite what the OP seems to think, Mitchell was thought of as the higher upside guy at the time) and I think you have to just call this great scouting/player development on the side of the Angels. Anyway, not sure why I'm posting in here because I do think this thread is ridiculous. Also I hate all the Keith Law bashing. I respect his opinion perhaps more than anyone else when it comes to prospect evaluating. The White Sox system doesn't get any love from him because it doesn't deserve any and it may be the worst in baseball right now. Mitchell's report http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/draft/y2009/...ontent=mitchell Trout's report http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/draft/y2009/...p?content=trout both guys have plus speed, trout has developing power, mitchell just has raw power. I believe Mitchell has more issues with his swing and tends to strike out a lot, and Trout also had better plate discipline than Mitchell. Trout was a more well rounded player with above average tools, while Mitchell was a Mike Cameron type of player, good speed and power, but has contact issues. If you respect Keith Law's opinion, I believe he had Trout as a better prospect on his board, I believe he was in the teens to twenties, while mitchell was 35 I think, and he did project Trout to go to the Sox.

well if you guys give credit for what Mitchell did in 9 ST ABs, then Trout looks equally if not more impressive in ST. Base on what he did last year, and what he is doing now, what the scouts say prior to the draft, and what the scouts are saying now, doesn't he LOOK LIKE he is going to be a superstar? He is only 18 years old, he already has great plate discipline, if he develops more power, I can see he being a legit .300 30HR 40 SB guy at the very least.

QUOTE (goblue5699 @ Jun 30, 2010 -> 12:36 AM) Yeah, I guess a better way of putting it is that it's unfair to throw Mitchell under the bus right now. If you weren't a fan of the pick at the time and wanted Trout it's fine with me to toot your own horn, but not by complaining about Mitchell's lack of production. I wanted the Sox to get Trout before the draft last year, and still does now. I didn't say I don't like Mitchell, nor did I say he was a bad pick, I am just stating the fact that he is hurt now and Trout is teeing off in the minors. I think Mitchell will be a good major league player, but Trout looks like he's going to superstardom. I am not complaining about Mitchell at all, I am just saying I would much rather have Trout than Mitchell if I had a choice, and the Sox did have that choice. I think a lot of people feel the same way here.

http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/insider/col...&id=5338763 Keith Law is putting out his updated top 25 prospect list today, and to no one's surprise, no sox prospects were on it. Realistically, I think Hudson is pitching like a top 40 prospect this season, but Law might not even have him as a top 100. Though he didn't include any white sox in the top 25s, he didn't waste the opportunity to bash our new 1st rounder Chris Sale. Here is what he has to say about Sale. Of all new draftees, he has be bash on Sale, not that we even expect him to be on the top 25 (Harper and Taillon wasn't on it either). What a jerk. But what I am really mad about is the number 3 prospect Mike Trout of the Angels. Supposed he was on the Sox radar going into the 2009 draft and many mock drafts have him going to the Sox. But the Sox went ahead with a safer college choice in Jared Mitchell. Trout was regarded as a better prospect going into the draft. What a difference a year makes, Trout is looking like the best player in the minors with .370 BA and over 1.000 OPS as a lead off hitter. He is closing in on 40 SBs and we are not even in July yet! Crazy right, and he is still 18 years old! Mitchell on the other hand has yet to play a game this season and still has a long way to go till he reach the bigs. I guess one of the main reasons the Sox passed on Trout is the fact that he might be a tough sign as a high school player. But it really frustrates me that we are passing on top notch talent to go with safer ones. I think we haven't drafted a high schooler in the first round since Kris Honel in 2001.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Jun 27, 2010 -> 12:55 PM) He's the almost the same exact pitcher he was last year. That 4.65 ERA is due to a .342 BABIP. maybe he's still the same pitcher as last season, that only means he will falter in the second half just like the previous years, and a switch from NL west to the AL especially pitching in the Cell only makes matters worse. and would we really want to pay top prospects for him when we have hudson on the horizon and we are more in need of a bat? What do you guys think we could use the $1 million from the BP cup for? (assuming it's assigned to the team immediately.) perhaps picking somebody up from the waivers? or use it to help pay for half of LaRoche's salary at $2.25 mil?

we have viceido right? though his defense is not any better than teahen's, his bat is worthwhile. I think a lot of people here want vizquel to get more playing time at third, viceido can play a few time a week. as for teahen? he will be the new jayson nix or trade his &$@#!

whatever happen to trayce thompson? he's be gone for a month now, but i haven't notice anyone bringing him up.

maybe B'ham needed a refrigerator... hard to imagine they could get anything significant for him.

what's with all the teahen love now? having teahen back means our defense will suck again at third, part of the reason why we have been good lately is vizquel's defense at third. LaRoche is not a liability defensively like Teahen is, he can more than enough handle first base. teahen is always going to be a bottom of the order hitter, will not hit over 16 HR, or be a run producer. but LaRoche could be a number 5 or 6 hitter for the sox and hitter over 30 HR while playing good defense, all that for 4.5 million/yr also, we do not have the $$ or the 'spects to acquire a big name like AGon, if he is even available.

QUOTE (JohnCangelosi @ Jun 27, 2010 -> 08:38 AM) Any ideas on what happened? Hopefully he doesn't miss a week. Who would be the logical call up? johnny nunez since he already have major league experience, or maybe torres? who knows

QUOTE (Lemon_44 @ Jun 27, 2010 -> 05:33 AM) i agree. I don't get all the LaRoche lust. He's a decent player but the only way I want him is if Haren comes with him. Teahen was starting to hit when he was in jured. His return will have a similar effect of adding LaRoche and he's already on the roster. If they are going to make an addition, make it a worthwhile one. LaRoche is a very nice upgrade at the DH spot for the sox, or he could be at 1B and Paulie will DH, because he is very good with the glove too. he basically put up clean up spot type of production for the pirates and the diamondbacks the last few seasons, 25HR and 85 RBIs for those teams is pretty impressive, and by moving to the hitter friendly US Cellular, he could hit over 30HR and drive in 90-95 per season while batting .270, and plus, he only makes 4.5 mil, so he's definitely worth trading for. As for Haren, thanks but no thanks. His ERA is ballooned at 4.65 so far this season, and over the last 3-4 years, he's been known for pitching great in the first half and falling apart in the second, if we do acquire him midseason, good luck with that. And we don't want to guess how much worse an NL west pitcher would fare after trading to the Cell

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jun 26, 2010 -> 11:17 PM) Trading him 1 month early saves about $1mil. I think it depends on how good the spects are, and White Sox mid tier spects arent good enough to convince me (if I was Arizona) to trade now, instead of taking a wait and see approach. Conversely, the Sox would save $1mil if they dont trade till the end of the month, and I think the Sox are kind of strapped themselves. (Edit) Its no problem and I actually dislike it too, and was surprised that I did it, but I was just being lazy and trying to get the point across that if our GM did what people said on a message board, wed never even be here. well 2 weeks ago, no one on the face of the earth would have imagined the sox going on a streak like this, base on their team on paper, it's a pretty bad offensive team and we were pretty much out of it. That's why some of members on this board wanted to the expiring contracts to be traded away. I think it's normal to have that notion. If you are bashing people for being impatient and jumping on those decisions, did you envisioned a run like this? If not, I believe we would still be on those topics. Also, when do you think the sox should make an acquisition for an offensive upgrade? Have you watch the games lately? You will see that the Sox were actually outhit in a lot of the games and somehow came up on top. They were getting 4-6 hits for the game and that will not cut it against the offensively oriented AL teams, and you can't expect the pitching to hold a 2.00 ERA on a nightly basis. Lets be realistic here, if the sox do not make an acquisition soon for a power bat, they will get hammered when they play the Rangers and the Angels next week. Keep in mind that the Sox aren't the only team in need of a bat like LaRoche or Berkman, other teams do too. If we wait for too long, chances are, they could be gone by then.

yea a 149 pitch 8 walk no hitter, i dont think you will ever see that again.

for those of you who wanted beckham sent down, you should be ashamed for yourself.

jenks wont be back next season, too expensive. But guys didn't I just say we will sent some money and Juan Pierre's 8 million contract over in this hypothetical situation? we will be looking at around $60 million committed if thats the case. Historically, the Sox are known to make moves to add on salaries during mid season and push the payroll over 100 million. Also, someone on the forum mentioned that Sox management hinted there are money available to spent. If sox do acquire Crawford, would it surprise you if Reinsdorf is willing to spent a couple million more to retain him? Plus, the sox do have some major league ready prospects to fill the void of the departing role players, Torres, Hudson, Morel, De Aza. If you haven't notice, the Sox have been moving away from the home run hitting type, station to station type of lineup to a speedy, and more athletic, and defense oriented type of lineup. Shredding Konerko's contract and signing Crawford is well within the team's philosophy. Then perhaps target a good defensive first basemen, with some power, and cheap salary player like LaRoche to replace some of the power lost. All these are just hypothetical, but they are well within the team's philosophy.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jun 25, 2010 -> 11:56 AM) The Rays will receive draft pick compensation for Crawford, John Jaso and Kelly Shoppach will serve just fine as a catching duo, first base is a very easy position to fix, especially when Pena, even as powerful as he is, is putting up a .737 OPS, and they have Desmond Jennings waiting in the minor leagues to help attempt to fill the void should Crawford leave for free agency this offseason. The Sox also have like $70 million already committed to next years roster, and that's not including raises through arbitration and any other free agent signings, so the Sox wouldn't have room to lock Crawford up long term if they were to bring him in through this hypothetical scenario, which still won't happen. The Rays won't be trading Carl Crawford. Mind you that the sox have only $65 millions committed, I believe they will only offer abritration to Danks and CQ, with team option to Thorton and Castro. So the Sox do have some money to spend next season.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jun 25, 2010 -> 11:36 AM) The Rays are 14 games over .500 and Crawford's been a huge part of that. He won't be traded. crawford is a free agent at the end of the season, and despite their success the Rays are still a small market team. They would risk losing him for nothing (or a few compensational picks i believe) if he bolts for a bigger contract. The smart move for them is to trade him for major league ready prospects (viceido and flowers) to replace Pena (FA next season) and whoever their catcher is, and to have a short term leadoff hitter or fourth outfielder in Pierre. This is at least help them stay competitive from this season and beyond. oh yea, and with konerko and AJ contract due at the end of the season, we have a really good chance of retaining him, especially if we go on and make the playoffs with Crawford at the helm.

carl crawfrod anyone? he is available as we speak, and a natural LF to replace pierre unlike McCutchen or Bourn. We could send Viceido, Flowers, Pierre and some cash to Tampa for Crawford?

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jun 24, 2010 -> 04:27 PM) For those wondering Assuming a 56.1 million dollar cap, and the Bulls sign one max guy: Max Guy: $16,568,908 Luol Deng $11,345,000 Derrick Rose $5,546,160 Joakim Noah $3,128,536 James Johnson $1,713,600 Taj Gibson $1,117,680 Roster hold $473,604 Roster hold $473,604 Roster hold $473,604 Roster hold $473,604 Roster hold $473,604 Total $41,787,904 Remaining for final FA: $14,312,096 That falls right in line with Johnson's reported 4yr/60M deal. What I want to happen is they trade Deng + The Bobcats Pick + A Future Pick for the Clips 8th (I think about a $2.3M cap hold) pick to bring the remaining $$$ in addition to one max guy to: $23,357,096 Subtract the money for Bosh ($16,568,908) and you get: $6,788,188 Using that money you could probably get Ray Allen here if he doesn't want to resign with the Celtics, and depending on his price, possibly have Brad return to further tutor the big men. Edit: To fill out that roster, you'd probably bring back Law/Kurz/Byars/Alexander at the minimum. And with the 8th pick, I'd draft Henry to get: PG - Rose/Law SG - Allen/Henry/Byars SF - LeBron/Johnson/Alexander PF - Bosh/Gibson/Kurz C - Noah/Miller/Asik correct me if i am wrong, isn't roster hold only apply for 8 spots, and no more holds if you have 8 guys already?

just imagine if we dominated the Cleveland Indians like we are suppose to, then we would be the best team in MLB.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Jun 23, 2010 -> 04:00 PM) Gio Gonzalez - supplemental pick of the White Sox in 2004 having a very nice season for the A's. That's about it dating back to Kip Wells and Aaron Rowand in 1998. his numbers prior to this season was beyond terrible. Besides, I was more or less talking about a first round pick position players having success coming from a white sox farm system, gio has gone to the phillies and to the A's before reaching the majors. yes, beckham did have the highest batting average of all the recent sox first rounder last season, but that is his calling card. Fields had 23 hrs in 2007 and became totally irrelevant next season. We may be witnessing the same thing with becks now, and if he doesn't get demoted soon, it's really going to affect his success from now on.

hello brian anderson, joe borchard, josh fields. who was the last Sox first round pick to come through their farm system and have success in the majors? can't think of any recent ones if they don't send beckham down soon, I am afraid we will see his name in that infamous group soon.