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QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jul 9, 2010 -> 09:58 PM) I think the argument was GOOD role players. I don't think any of those guys are GOOD. Miller on the other hand would be a good get if he's willing to take a lot less money. Fisher and Bell are good players. Richardson is damn solid for the 8th or 9th guy in a rotation.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 9, 2010 -> 09:29 PM) A lot of old garbage, YAY. Richardson and Fisher can still play. If Bell is recovered from his injury he would be a big addition because he is a very good defender and three point shooter. Big Z is basically done and Kwame sucks though.

So Derek Fisher is meeting with the Heat now. It is starting to look like they are going to have an easy time filling out their roster with solid players.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jul 9, 2010 -> 04:05 PM) I was talking Kobe/Lebron. Kobe puts the fear of god into my ass whenever he shoots a game-winner. I don't get anywhere near the same feeling when Lebron takes a game-winner. Yet time and time again Kobe comes up empty in those spots in the playoffs.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 9, 2010 -> 03:58 PM) Well, I think J4L was talking pre missing a finger/worst game 7 imaginable Kobe. It is incredibly difficult for me to remember any game winners or Jordanesque moments Kobe has had during any of the Lakers championship runs. It was always a role player like Horry, Fisher, Artest, etc. that made the big shot. Sure the Bulls had Kerr and Paxson but Jordan hit tons of game winners during the playoffs.

QUOTE (thxfrthmmrs @ Jul 9, 2010 -> 03:14 PM) He was and will never be Kobe or Jordan when it comes to performing in clutch. Duncan was show successful because he mans up when it mattered, such as hitting a 3 point( i believe it was) against lakers with 0.4 left, only to have fisher hit a buzzer beater on the other end, and hitting a 3 pointer against the Suns to force over time. Those shots were normally not within his range. Guys like Horry and Fisher are celebrated for the same characteristics, but frankly, lebron was doesn't have it. He just want to be part of something, he doesn't want to be something. Kobe Bryant as a great closer, my favorite myth in the world. More like incredibly mediocre and overrated as a closer. http://www.slate.com/id/2255932

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Jul 9, 2010 -> 12:50 AM) We need 2.. Give me a Morrow/Redick/Korver/maybe Mason type sniper and a Brewer type defender and I'll be happy. Looks like Deng, Johnson, etc.. are safe from trades. (and Deng better be a 3rd option, not a 2nd Thibs) Rose ------- Deng Boozer Noah Gibson Johnson -------- Law? or -------- Asik Not bad. Possible top 3-4 team in the East. Its a good team probably the 4th or 5th best in the East after Miami, Orlando and Boston and on the same tier as Atlanta. It just is really disappointing after all the talk about possibly landing Lebron, Wade and Bosh to not have a team capable of winning a championship.

No idea if this is legit but Miller to Miami pretty much done? http://www.ksfy.com/Global/story.asp?S=12778542

So there are a few places reporting that Mike Miller will sign a 5 year 30 million dollar deal with Miami. LeBron/Wade/Miller/Bosh/Shaq (if he signs for the minimum as rumored). Wow just wow.

QUOTE (RME JICO @ Jul 8, 2010 -> 11:23 PM) So a one hour special to tell the world you are going to Miami has nothing to do with ego? He clearly has an ego but all great players do, but it doesn't appear he cares what people will think about his legacy or the perception of his titles.

QUOTE (RME JICO @ Jul 8, 2010 -> 11:19 PM) LeBron is who we thought he was. Where is Dennis Green when we need him. Considering there were a ton of people who thought his ego was too big to go to Miami maybe LeBron isn't who we thought he was.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 8, 2010 -> 11:02 PM) Can I just say this thread has been amazing for over a week now, and I want to thank everyone involved with it....except for shack, HOW DARE YOU YELL AT ME! You know my wife is giving me hell as it is This thread is going to go over 6,000 replies. Absolutely incredible and it just shows how captivated basketball fans were by this whole FA process.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Jul 8, 2010 -> 10:49 PM) I like what one fan said "he basically said Dwayne Wade is better than him, so he is going to play with him." Well that fan is stupid, but I will concede he is saying he wasn't good enough to win titles by himself in Cleveland.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 8, 2010 -> 10:40 PM) Sounds like Michael Beasley a bit. Not near the shooter or ball handler that Beasley was. Better on the block and is bigger than Beasley though.

QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ Jul 8, 2010 -> 10:39 PM) is one of those guys the Baylor guy? No. Irving is going to Duke, Barnes to UNC, and Shelby to Kansas.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 8, 2010 -> 10:38 PM) Harrison Barnes and J. Sullinger Sullinger is going to be a monster in college but it will be interesting to see how his game translates to the NBA. Good not great athlete who is doesn't have great height for an NBA PF.

QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ Jul 8, 2010 -> 10:37 PM) who are the top freshmen coming in to even keep an eye on? From an NBA standpoint probably Kyrie Irving, Josh Selby and Harrison Barnes. I've only seen Kanter from Kentucky play once but that kid was a beast in the USA v. World game and took it to Sullinger, Patric Young and the rest of the USA bigs. i don't really see a superstar NBA player in that group though.

So I wonder if the rumor that Bosh, Wade, LeBron and Paul decided to play together at the 2008 Olympics was true and we see Paul join that team in the next couple of years as well.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 8, 2010 -> 10:07 PM) Bulls should trade for Antawn Jameson, Rashard Lewis, or Jason Richardson. Jamison and Boozer on the same team? Wow the Bulls would be awful defensively.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jul 8, 2010 -> 10:00 PM) NBA is reeling because you just dont see 3 players who are supposedly great decide that they cant win on their own. For all the s*** Kobe takes, no way does he go to Miami to be Wade's b****. You gotta respect Kobe for that. Kobe was doing everything he could to get out of town after Shaq left because his supporting cast wasn't good enough for him to win a title. Maybe he doesn't go play with Wade but if they hadn't improved their roster he would have left.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 8, 2010 -> 10:00 PM) I couldn't disagree more. You see guys like Rondo and Rose who are perfecting the tear-drop in the lane. You have someone like Durant who has amazing offensive ability. I swear I've heard that "the entire culture has changed" for the last 2 decades. You could make a case that the talent level is as high as its ever been. And people really need to watch all different teams play because there are tons of different styles of play in the NBA. Sure you have teams like Cleveland that do a ton of isolation but you also have teams like Phoenix and Utah that run incredibly efficient offenses with a ton of ball movements. The Lakers are running the same stuff the Bulls did when they won their championships.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 8, 2010 -> 09:58 PM) Kevin McHale is in the NBA Hall of Fame. So is James Worthy.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 8, 2010 -> 09:48 PM) Your point is very valid, but the difference is that Bird and Magic did not choose those situations because they failed elsewhere. Additionally, those teams developed into legendary teams together. They were not all-stars from other teams who chose to unit together because they failed elsewhere previously. Magic and Bird didn't fail elsewhere because they were surrounded by great players their whole careers. I don't get why that should hurt LeBron's legacy because he got stuck on a team with a bunch of bums. If Cleveland had given Lebron a good supporting cast he almost certainly would have never left.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 8, 2010 -> 08:02 PM) What? F*ck off dude. The idea that one NBA player can hold the entire league hostage. It has nothing to do with where he winds up. LeBron is the only one capable of doing this though. But yeah it is ridiculous.

QUOTE (DrunkBomber @ Jul 8, 2010 -> 07:06 PM) Im amazed people would hand the Heat the east before they see the final roster. Granted they dont have much time left but the Celtics are a very good team and they actually would match up with Miami very tightly. The Heat still dont have a big body and Bosh wont be able to handle KG at the 4. Boston plays great d also and have an emerging star in Rondo. It seems great on paper now but you are playing with fire banking on 3 players to win you games on their own for an entire season. It takes one injury to devastate that team. How is that different than any other team? The Lakers aren't winning a title if Gasol or Bryant go down, Magic with Howard, any of Rondo, Allen, Pierce or Garnett for the Celtics, the Bulls wouldn't be worth a damn without Rose, etc.