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QUOTE (BearSox @ Jul 8, 2010 -> 06:44 PM) Honestly though, can you be the best team in the NBA with only 3 players? When you have the best player in the league, another guy who is among the top 4 players in the league and a third guy who is among the top 10-15 then yes you can.

QUOTE (DrunkBomber @ Jul 8, 2010 -> 06:07 PM) What he was saying today was exactly what I had been thinking the past few days. I will never understand it if he goes to Miami. Frankly, I would be impressed if he went to Miami because it means that all he cares about is winning championships. I could do without the ridiculous TV show to announce his decision, but the decision itself would be impressive IMO.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 8, 2010 -> 05:17 PM) Stern will never allow this s*** to happen again. Meh. He has to love the attention that the NBA is getting right now from all this. But this will never happen again because I highly doubt you ever have a class of free agents near of this caliber that includes the best player in the league ever again. It is rare enough for the best player in the NBA to really entertain offers from other teams but then to be on the market as the same time as another top 4 player, a top 10-15 player, Amare, Boozer, Johnson, etc.

QUOTE (thxfrthmmrs @ Jul 8, 2010 -> 03:46 PM) yes, he also uses his strength to back down and get close inside shots, easy layups, turn around jumpers, and occasional hook shots. Is it safe to say he is a more traditional big man then Bosh and a better low post scorer of the two. Yes. Why discount him for pick and rolls? Amar'e used it a lot with Nash, that doesn't take anything away from him. I'm not discounting him for pick and rolls. But if you are going to discount Bosh's game as a PF by saying he drives to the basket it is only fair to point out that Boozer has been at least as reliant on the pick and roll as Bosh is on driving to the basket.

QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Jul 8, 2010 -> 03:37 PM) Food for thought: the Jazz were 2.3 points per 100 possessions WORSE this year when Boozer was on the floor than when he was on the bench. I believe that was true last year as well but my memory could be faulty.

QUOTE (thxfrthmmrs @ Jul 8, 2010 -> 03:35 PM) Is it really that hard to comprehend? If he wasn't 6'10, he is a pure small forward BECAUSE he doesn't have the skills sets of a traditional big man. If Shaq wasn't 7'1 and 300lb, he still is a great low post scorer, knows how to use his strength, and got a highly accurate hook shots. if bosh is 6'8 weighs 230, plays like the way he is, he would something similar to luol deng. Other players have the size and skillsets, bosh only has the height, not the weight nor skillsets. you sure do know your stats man, but if you watched his game, he is also a better slasher than most big man in the league. He got most of his 46% inside shots from layups, drives to baskets. He can play the post, but just isn't very good at it. Yet he draws fouls at a much higher rate than Boozer so he gets to the line more and have you watched the Jazz? Boozer gets a ton of his shots at the rim off of the pick and roll and put backs not from low post moves.

QUOTE (thxfrthmmrs @ Jul 8, 2010 -> 03:25 PM) part of boozer's problem is he plays with Okur, so it's not like he's getting alot of help either. When he plays with Noah and Taj, they will take the better low post player, so i think boozer will handle his defensive assignment alright. Of the trio of Bosh Amare and Boozer, Boozer is also the best rebounder and low post scorer, so I will take him for what he is worth. Okur would usually take the better interior scorer. Boozer sucks defensively no matter who he guards. He can't alter shots, he is slow, and he gets lost way too often. Now the lats part maybe Thib can help with because the Celtics were terrific at helping off the ball.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 8, 2010 -> 03:22 PM) So evidently the Knicks are now out? Some are saying the Miami talk is just that, talk. I still believe in Chicago!!! 5 hours from now the Bulls will be either on their way to being a dynasty or not having a realistic championship for a long time.

QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Jul 8, 2010 -> 03:10 PM) They both suck defensively. Amare just doesn't try, Boozer is limited with his length and lateral quickness. Boozer's career average is only 17 a game even playing the pick and roll with Williams, Amare is at 21. That's a big difference. Agreed. Boozer is horrendous on defense, his help defense is as bad as it gets (watching him get constantly lost off the ball in the Lakers series down the stretch of games was infuriating) and his man to man D isn't exactly stellar either. http://nbaplaybook.com/2010/05/03/the-lake...decision-maker/

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Jul 8, 2010 -> 03:04 PM) You won't get an argument from me. For a big guy, Amar'e can't board to save his life (though he's better in the playoffs) and has played with Nash damn near his whole career. (Boozer was already a solid player before Deron Williams came into the league and became Deron Williams) Also he is the worst overall defender between the two IMO. Amare averaged 20 and 9 as a 21 year old without Nash. He would have been just fine without Nash. And Boozer has never had a stretch like Amare did in the 2nd half of this year where you could make the case he was the best big man in the NBA not named Dwight Howard.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jul 8, 2010 -> 08:31 AM) am I the only one that thinks that Lebron/Wade/Bosh and no one else isn't automatically the team to beat? I know the differences with Boston, but to me the "big 3" didn't do it on their own, they needed an up and coming all star in Rondo to get over the top. Good? Absolutely. Unbeatable? Hardly. They automatically would be the team to beat. You would have the best player in the NBA, the third best player in the NBA and then another top 10-15 player. It really wouldn't matter who else was on the roster. Yes, the Celtics needed Rondo but LeBron/Wade/Bosh>>>>>>Pierce/Allen/Garnett.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Jul 8, 2010 -> 12:00 AM) Thing is.. for a guy with his ego.. I can't see him sharing spotlight with Wade. He'll get the same questions Kobe did when he couldn't win without Shaq till recently. I don't think that is really true because LeBron will be without a doubt the best player on that team and it really wouldn't be close. Kobe was the clear #2 guy on those Lakers championships team with O'Neal being the dominant force. Would he get as much credit as he would with the Bulls where he wouldn't have another superstar? Of course not but there would be no doubt he is the best player on a title team.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 7, 2010 -> 11:51 PM) absolutely. I really respect kobe and what the lakers org has done post shaq. How the f*** can anyone respect Kobe?

QUOTE (Real @ Jul 7, 2010 -> 09:30 PM) my friend in socal he said it's unlikely his source is legit, just throwing it out there if miami gets lebron that would be the absolute worst As just a basketball fan that team would be incredibly fun to follow. But obviously as a Bulls fan that would suck and I would lose all hope for a championship for the next ten years. By this time tomorrow the Bulls will either be a dynasty in the making or in basketball hell.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 7, 2010 -> 07:22 PM) deron also had 4 years in college to Rose's 1. The only point I'm trying to make in all this is this line of thought that Boozer will be a 10 ppg player without Williams isn't realistic compared to Boozers career line or the dropoff from williams to Rose. If this was Khalid El Amin you may have a point. I don't disagree about Boozer, I think he will be around an 18-10 guy for the first 2 or 3 years of the deal so long as he stays healthy. After that though, I wouldn't be surprised to see a pretty big fall off.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 7, 2010 -> 07:12 PM) Rose also didn't have the benefit of anyone worth a damn offensively this season though. I don't think he's taking more shots, and less quality shots, by choice. Williams averaged just as many assists last year when Boozer missed close to 50 games and his SG was Ronnie Brewer and his SF was Kirilenko, neither of whom can hit a jump shot. Rose wasn't really even a great distributor in college, maybe some of it is the players he has played with and the systems he has been in but he might always just be more of a score first PG.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 7, 2010 -> 07:08 PM) Well, of course LeBron is a better player, but Rose was right up there this year, and was the dominant player in the playoffs last year. I watched him clown Rondo a few times this year in person, and thats the guy ESPN cant stop knobbing. Fair enough on the pure PG stuff, still think at this point in their careers, Rose is the more dynamic player as a second year guy dropping those numbers. Derrick wasn't right up there with LeBron. LeBron shot 57%, 54% from 3 and averaged 32, 9 rbs, and 8 assists. Rose had a very good series averaging 27 and 7 while shooting 45% but that isn't right up there with LeBron. He wasn't the dominant player in that series though because his turnover rate was so incredibly high. Rose is a very good player and he will be a great one but he isn't at Williams level yet and I'm not sure comparing them will ever make a ton of sense since they are such different players. Rose is a better scorer than Williams was in his 2nd year in the league but even then Deron was a much better distributor than Rose.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 7, 2010 -> 07:06 PM) Thanks, finally some actual info. I agree that as far as being a pure PG, Williams is further along at this point than Rose is, but I see that closing the gap shortly, with Rose still being the superior scorer. Turnovers is def something he must improve. Rose isn't a superior scorer at this point in time, he scores about 2 more points per game but he does so less efficiently than Deron. I think he will eventually become more of a pure scorer than Deron but I haven't seen any indications that he will ever be a distributor the way DWill, Paul and Nash are (but that isn't necessarily a bad thing, just that his game resembles Wade much more than any of those guys).

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 7, 2010 -> 06:32 PM) How so? Give me something to actually point out why everyone thinks they are so far apart. Frankly, I am surprised of the lack of appreciation for Rose on a chicago board. In the two years he's been in the league, he's been the best player on his team and basically the best player on the court in the playoff games he's played in. D Rose is 1st in scoring, Williams is 5th D Rose is 5th in FG%, Williams is 12th D Rose is 9th in assists, Williams is 3rd They are nearly even in Rebounds Deron averaged 10.5 assists to Rose's 6. That is a dramatic difference. Williams is also a much better shooter than Rose. 80% FT, 37% 3pt to 77% and 27% for Rose. Not to mention the fact that Williams TS% is .574 and Rose TS% is only at .532. Rose has a higher shooting percentage because he takes less jump shots, he isn't a better shooter. At this point in time Rose is a mediocre passer and distributor and I haven't seen him excel at running the pick and roll. He can score and likely at some point will surpass Williams in that area but he isn't even close to DWill when it comes to running the show. And he hasn't been close to the best player on the court in the playoff games he's played in. LeBron was by far and away the best player in that series this year.

QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ Jul 7, 2010 -> 05:24 PM) I'll call my shot, I'm going with the Knicks, it makes LBJ irrelevant for the foreseeable future, but the lure of NY with LBJ's ego is too much for him. No team with LeBron on it is irrelevant, especially if they also have Amare.

QUOTE (WHarris1 @ Jul 7, 2010 -> 05:16 PM) Evidently it's just a financial agency in Chicago that handles Lebrons taxes, meaning nothing. CV31: I'm just saying... LeBron will not be going to Chicago or Miami. I'm just saying, word on the streets. LOL. NY vs. NJ vs. CLE. I know where. RealJayWilliams: I am going to say this. I just heard from a little bird in his camp, King James and Spike Lee will be seeing a lot of each other next yr. Basically, no one knows a damn thing except for LeBron and maybe a couple of people in his inner circle.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 7, 2010 -> 04:49 PM) Evidently a message board rumor going around is that a Detroit station is reporting that there has been talks of a 3 way deal with the Bulls/Blazers/Pistons which would move Deng &Maxiell to Portland, Bayless/Pyrz to Detroit, and Rip to Chicago. Take it for what it is worth. Personally I don't know how that is really that great of a move? I think we need a 2 guard that can shoot long range and I don't see Rip being that guy. That trade gives you future cap flexibility but is awful from a basketball perspective. Deng was a significantly better player than Hamilton last year and Hamilton appears to be on a pretty sharp decline and really doesn't give you 3 pt shooting.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 7, 2010 -> 04:55 PM) David Aldridge's article says 5/80... who knows. It's all good. $1 million per year is basically irrelevant anyways so long as there is enough room for a max contract this year.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 7, 2010 -> 04:28 PM) Boozer, in 44 playoff games has averaged 23.5 points and 12.5 boards. His numbers are still good but its actually 20 and 12.5. He had a great run in the playoffs in 06-07 and since then has been extremely in the mediocre in the playoffs. He was awful in 07-08, good in 5 games against the Lakers last year, good against the Nuggets this year, and awful against the Lakers.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 7, 2010 -> 04:15 PM) Guys. How could LeBron say no to joining our stacked roster? I don't see it happening! Clevelend + mommy banger? New York + Danillo + Amare? Miami + Wade + Bosh? Chicago + Rose + Boozer + Noah? New Jersey + 12 wins? Miami with LeBron is the best of those teams, followed by the Bulls. But with the Bulls there is no doubt this is LeBron's team. Rose is good but Wade is a top 3 player in the league and he would get almost as much credit for Miami winning a title as LeBron. New Jersey actually has a little going for them with Lopez, Harris, and Favors but if you are LeBron you would be putting a ton of faith in Lopez and Favors developing into a really strong interior force and they would likely be at least a year away from being a title contender. New York doesn't make any sense if you want to win titles.