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I think that Christina photo gave my computer an STD.

The list is from research done by William Blum, a former member of the State Department who used his connection in the government along with his research to compile a highly detailed list of what we have done with US military and CIA interventions in his two books "Killing Hope: US Military and CIA Interventions" and "Rogue State:Policing the World's Only Superpower". Many of these interventions were also verified in the memoirs of 25 year CIA veteran Ralph McGehee. And FYI, about 1990-91 Iraq, Iraq actually invaded because the "innocent" Kuwaitis were actually slant drilling into Iraq's oil supply and stealing their oil. Saddam may be an evil bastard but put the blame for starting the war where it's due. Yugoslavia, we killed plenty of civilians [the high civilian body count is something being used against Clark's campaign saying that he is indeed a war criminal] and the effects of our weapons are still being felt in the region [unexploded cluster bombs, anyone?] Eastern Europe: Operation Splinter Factor. It goes into much detail in Blum's research than I could go into here.

Actually CK, Ashcroft recently said he is allowing the PATRIOT Act to be used against common criminals. Drugs like meth and stuff are now considered WMD. I'm not even joking about this. I wish I was. What about the hundreds of random people that were rounded up after 9/11 and detained indefinitely until they were found to be completely INNOCENT? They are now coming forward and telling their stories. Would you please tell me what is wrong with that? God forbid we lock up anyone else when they commit crimes. You guys really need to stop coddling criminals. Nuke, they rounded up lots of INNOCENT people saying that they were criminals, denied them access to lawyers and family....then let them go saying that they did nothing wrong. That's what's wrong with it. You should really read the testimonials.

Nuke, read the timeline of what happened on 9/11 and the quotes of pilots at the Air Force bases that were READY to go up and intercept, but they could not because Dubya was reading to children. They were there and ready to go, just awaiting Dubya's order. But, he was reading to kids instead. I've done quite a lot of reading about it, Nuke. In 1993, the Pentagon commissioned, via the DoD's office of Special Ops and Low Intensity Conflict, a think tank study of the ways that terrorists could commit large scale acts of terrorism on the US. Participants included 41 experts from the CIA, FBI, State Dept, Rand Corp. officials, an ex-KGB general and an Israeli intelligence agent. Even then they thought that terrorist would target multiple places and the WTC was one of the highest on their list of possible targets. And they believed that airplanes would be used to blow up national landmarks. All the way back then there was a report to the DoD, Justice Dept, State Dept, etc. that said there was a high possibility that the WTC would be hit with planes acting as bombs....but Condie told us that it could have never been forseen, yeah right. In June 2001, the German intel agency BND warned the US and Israel that Mid Eastern terrorists were "planning to hijack commercial aricraft to use as weapons to attack important symbols of American culture." On June 13, Egypt sent an urgent warning that a plane could be used as a weapon against George W. Bush. It was assumed that he meant the G8 summit. Vlad "Pooty-Poot" Putin was so certain of the info he had received in summer 2001 that he instructed Russian intel to tell Bush in the "strongest possible terms" of an impending attack involving airports and airplanes. The Russians told CIA that 25 terrorist pilots had been specially trained to conduct suicide missions. It was around this time that the CIA was first receiving tips about suspicious men in US flight schools. In August 2001, the Mossad warned the CIA and FBI as well. In February 2001, according to government admissions and reports, The National Security Agency had broken OBL's communications encryption system. We know this because the Bush admin reported AFTER 9/11 that it had intercepted calls of OBL telling his mom "In two days you're going to hear big news and you're not going to hear from me for a while." So we had 6 months worth of encrypted data and did nothing with it? As of September 7, the CIA knew about the suspicious stock trading and could see that United Airlines and American could be in trouble of a possible terror attack, given all the previous intel data we had received. If Bush put airports on high alert after he was warned in August, maybe the transponders getting turned off and Boston Ground Control losing contact with Flight 11 would have sent off some red flags and there could have been a different response [assuming the guys could even get on the plane] 8:24 am: Flight 11 accidentally broadcasts over it's radio "Everything will be OK. If you try to make any moves, you'll endanger yourselves and the airplane." One minute later, Boston air traffic control calls other air traffic control stations but NOT NORAD. It is not until 8:38 that NORAD is contacted about Flight 11. At 8:43, NORAD is notified that Flight 175 has made a U-turn and has been hijacked. The day of 9/11, it was known by 8:55 that Flight 77 had been hijacked. F-16s were sent up by they were scrambled out of Langley 130 miles southwest of the Pentagon where as Bolling AFB is 5 miles away and Andrews just 10 miles. Why send them from so far away to protect the Pentagon? On the Andrews AFB web page it says that "Training for air combat and operational airlift for national defense is the 113th's primary mission. However, as part of its dual mission, the 113th provides capable and ready response forces for the District of Columbia." So why did Bush choose Langley? And so because the Soviets subverted countries washes the US of the blood on it's hands? Two wrongs don't make a right, Nuke. And hell, we're subverting human rights currently in S. America with our training of Colombian paramilitary death squads that have been implicated in the murders of human rights workers and labor organizers. And it's only a few historical events Nuke? China 1945-1960s Italy 1947-1948 Greece 1947-1950s Philippines 1940s-1950s Korea 1945-1953 Albania 1949-1953 Eastern Europe 1948-1956 Germany 1950s Iran 1953 Guatemala 1953-54 Costa Rica mid 1950s Syria 1956-1957 Middle East 1957-1958 Indonesia 1957-1958 Western Europe 1950s-1960s British Guinana 1953-1964 Soviet Union 1940s-1960s Italy 1950s-1970s Vietnam 1950-1973 Cambodia 1955-1973 Laos 1957-1973 Haiti 1959-1963 Guatemala 1960 France/Algeria 1960s Ecuador 1960-1963 The Congo 1960-1964 Brazil 1961-1964 Peru 1960-1965 Dominican Republic 1960-1966 Cuba 1959-1980s Indonesia 1965 Ghana 1966 Uruguay 1964-1970 Chile 1964-1973 Greece 1964-1974 Bolivia 1964-1975 Guatemala 1962-1980s Costa Rica 1970-1971 Iraq 1972-1975 Australia 1973-1975 Angola 1975-1980s Zaire 1975-1978 Jamaica 1976-1980 Seychelles 1979-1981 Grenada 1979-1984 Morocco 1983 Suriname 1982-1984 Libya 1981-1989 Nicaragua 1981-1990 Panama 1969-1991 Bulgaria 1990 Iraq 1990-1991 Afghanistan 1979-1992 El Salvador 1980-1994 Haiti 1986-1994 And let's not forget Somalia, Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Liberia... Maybe you would like to amend your comment that it was just a few instances. And yes, in my eyes Osama has won. We have quashed democracy and it is now "Un-American" to dare question the policy of Rove & Bush. Constitutional rights have become an 'inconvenience'. We allow the government to detain people at will without letting them have contact with their families or lawyers, even if they are innocent which many of them have turned out to be when they are later released. There are actually a lot of personal accounts of this in the book "It's a Free Country: Personal Freedom in America after September 11" "Those who would give up essential liberty for temporary security deserve neither." -- Ben Franklin

Homer also likes his gun too. Are you anti-gun control now because Homer likes to change the channel on his TV and open his "Duff" with his firearm? I just said that Homer was smarter than FAUX News on that issue. And at the end of the episode he gets rid of the gun, remember?

This speaks volumes. Homer S > FOX News This also speaks volumns. The fact is that the cartoon character is more truthful than Bill O'Reilly, Sean "Shemp" Hannity, Neil "Slanted and Biased" [his own admission] Cavuto and the rest of the stooges that work at FAUX News.

Well, BMR if he is gonna whine about where his money is going at least he can get his facts straight. And might I ask why you aren't calling him out for whining? Just asking.

If you look at the timeline link of 9/11 that I posted in one of these two recent political threads then you will see that there was a time after the 1st plane hit that they could have sent up fighter jets to intercept the Pentagon plane.

This speaks volumes. Homer S > FOX News

We didn't need commies in our back yard back then, so we subverted democratically elected governments like Allende and Arbenz? [Aren't we supposed to look out for democracy and the actual will of the people? I mean our image is the world's benevolent policeman, right? ...just saying] Or how about installing bloodthirsty dictators around the world that kill hundreds of thousands in total? Or wait, I got it...we arm Nicaragua to pay Iran to keep hostages so Reagan can win the election while we are also giving weapons to Iraq. Or how about the CIA selling cocaine to finance the war in Laos? [CIA officials that have later left the organization have admitted to this fact] Nuke, in my eyes Osama has already beat us. You know why? Look at how easily the majority of Americans have been scared. Duct tape and plastic sheeting, anyone? Color coded alert systems? The PATRIOT Act...nothing beats giving the ability to have search and seizure power without a warrant to cops for no reason. Americans allowing the preventative arrest of random people with no trial and allowing them to be held without charges something a NY judge recently described as "odious to democracy". Look how fast Americans embrace fascism by putting a guy with a turban on TV. And how difficult is it to find a 6 ft. tall man hauling a dialysis machine? Oh wait Bush said catching Osama "is not a priority." That's why it's been nearly 800 days and we haven't gotten him. George had some oil to steal for Halliburton [of which a Congressional investigation just found Cheney still has business interests in Halliburton] 9-11 was actually PREVENTABLE, Nuke. It's called if Cheney or Bush read the report on their desk or listened to the British intelligence in August that said Al Qaeda was planning a 9-11 type attack, then it's quite possible that it would have NEVER HAPPENED. But leave it to our "fearless leader" to read to children after being notified that we were under attack. On the day of 9/11, our President failed in his duties to even try to stop it. http://www.cooperativeresearch.net/timelin...n/dayof911.html NUKE, with Bush in office, THE JETS SAT IDLY BY WHILE PLANES FLEW INTO THE BUILDINGS BECAUSE BUSH THOUGHT IT MORE IMPORTANT TO READ TO CHILDREN. And maybe they are taught to hate America because we have troops stationed over in Saudi Arabia protecting the highly unpopular House of Saud? Just sayin'. Or how about the unconditional support for Israel even after they ran over a human rights worker with a bulldozer and they shot one in the head when he went to get two children that were playing near a hill? So, all they understand is force...that's why there has been a spiked INCREASE in Al Qaeda membership and even more groups are getting angry at us. That's making us so much safer from terrorism. Oh yes, blame it solely on Bill Clinton. Here's a newsflash: IT WAS BOTH CHIMPY AND CLINTON'S FAULT. But way to play partisan like the good little Karl Rove indoctrinated boy you are. What I would have done different? I would have read the Terrorism 2000 report. I would have stopped reading to kids and got off my ass to defend the country by sending out planes. I'd move the troops out of Saudi Arabia and get us to kick our oil habit by creating a better, cleaner, more efficient energy source or even make it so our cars get a lot more mileage so we are less dependent on foreign oil. And if the Taliban was as evil as they were, I wouldn't give them over $100 million in aid before 9-11. To oppose the policies of a government does not mean you are against the country or the people that the government supposedly represents. Such opposition should be called what it really is: democracy, or democratic dissent, or having a critical perspective about what your leaders are doing. Either we have the right to democratic dissent and criticism of these policies or we all lie down and let the leader, the Fuhrer, do what is best, while we follow uncritically and obey whatever he commands. That's just what the Germans did with Hitler and look where it got them. --Michael Parenti

And thanks for the tip, IlliniBob, I have had that sig for a while. It was about time that I changed it and I found a better Boondocks cartoon.

The quote is actually from www.evilgopbastards.com not a quote of my personal creation. And my friends are actually Republicans from career military families. But I love the psychological analysis I am receiving from a bunch of people that never met me. It's quite amusing. I am very proud of being an American. I would say that the things our corporate controlled government has done are at best shameful and at worst genocidal but there's an incredible and permanent culture of resistance in the country that I'm very proud to be a part of. It's not the tradition of slave owning Founding Fathers, it's the tradition of the Frederick Douglasses, the Underground Railroads, the Chief Josephs, the Joe Hills, and the Huey P. Newtons. There's so much to be proud of when you're American that's hidden from you. The incredible courage and bravery of the union organizers in the late 1800s and early 1900s -- that's amazing. People get tricked into going overseas and fighting Uncle Sam's Wall Street wars, but these are people who knew what they were fighting for here at home. I think that is so much more courageous and brave. --Tom Morello I just get VERY pissed that America subverts democracy and human rights throughout the world then walks around like it never did anything wrong at all and wonders why people hate us. If America educated it's people about what we have done or even *gasp* apologized for it or took even just a token action to amend the wrongs, then it would be a lot better. And yes, I recognize the irony that the very system I oppose affords me the luxury of biting the hand that feeds. But that's exactly why privileged f***s like me should be obligated to work to make sure everybody gets at least the basic tenets of life: food, shelter, and clothing...something way too many, even in "the world's only superpower" go without every day.

I guess all the vacation days got to him so he needs another vacation.

BMR, I don't have to prove anything to you.

Yes, I have friends that went into the military for educational purposes and got shipped over there because of the Royal Chimp's war crime oil grab. And I've talked to them about it.

And I'm sure you talked to all 5 million people, Nuke. Also, I have other friends in the military that gave less than flattering stories of the American reaction in Iraq and they were there in country as well, Nuke.

By destroying it in this generation via bombs and murder, you just piss more people off and create a new generation.

You wouldn't be promoting wholesale genocide would you, Roman?

200+ died in Beirut and Reagan and Rummy pulled out. What's your point? How about a change in foreign policy that doesn't spawn terrorism and increased membership in terrorism instead of dropping bombs on people. We tread the ground of murderers investing in death, murder and destruction in other countries why are we surprised when it comes to back to bite us in the ass? The war on terror is the wrong premise. It's not ALL terrorism, just the terrorism against US interests. The terrorists we support don't get attacked.

I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings The Catcher in the Rye Killing Mr. Griffin Brave New World American Psycho [a very interesting read] Lord of the Flies Carrie There are a bunch of good books on there. And if that is Where's Waldo that we're thinking of then I'm definitely surprised.

God forbid kids read books and not do anything violent. :fyou fascistic censorship bastards I've read a bunch of these books either in school or just for something to do.

Actually, HSC, the Moujhadeen didn't really like us at all. We were just giving them money, training and weapons because we both hated the Russians. It wasn't us and them allied as anything. It was simple short sighted "The enemy of my enemy is my friend." even though the Moujhadeen really weren't. And I've mentioned that plenty of times before. And for the idea that we didn't know Saddam would be evil? I guess selling him a bunch of chemical weapons and then in 1988 AFTER Halabja we STILL gave him military and economic aid. At the time the US State Dept. even told it's diplomats to say that Iran was the perpetrator of it so Saddam wouldn't get in trouble. [source: Weapons of Mass Deception: Uses of Propaganda in the War in Iraq by Sheldon Rampton and John Stauber which they got from Joost R. Hiltermann's article "America Didn't Seem to Mind Poison Gas" International Herald Tribune, Jan. 17 2003 http://www.iht.com/articles/83625.html ] http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/ and here is a little bit of information from government documents that got FOIA'ed and there is even a video of our pal Rummy shaking hands with Saddam

As opposed to the boozehound, DUI having, coke addict who got a 15 year old girl pregnant and paid for an abortion and was too dumb to fly but his daddy as director of the CIA got him in the Champagne division of the US military so other peoples' kids could go off and die in Nam? And I don't smoke pot.

CK, that statement is just a tad bit "out there" and theologically unsupportable. CW. Two words. Manifest Destiny.