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1 minute ago, Quin said:
Jin Wong
Lol the contract guy? Who gives a f***?
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Just now, chitownsportsfan said:
You "forgot" the main hire Getz made, a guy that is ostensibly 3rd of 4th in power in the org, and you're calling others unsophisticated fans?
No. I am saying the vast majority of people who are crying are not doing so because they have reservations about Gene Watson..... And out of the people that do fall into that group? I'm willing to bet most of it doesn't go beyond a superficial "Watson = KC = bad."
Do you think the average (or even most die hard) fan can tell you much about Gene Watson's scouting ability or any details about his ability to do the job he has?
Go outside the ballpark and ask 100 people who Gene Watson and see what the responses are.
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7 minutes ago, fathom said:
Gene Watson
Ok. forgot about him.
I'm sure the over the top complaining surrounding the organization and Getz is based on the director of player personnel hire. Sox fans are a sophisticated bunch.
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2 minutes ago, fathom said:
I don’t think Barfield would be hiring and signing a ton of people from an awful Royals organization due to “comfortability”
The Royals thing is fun to joke about and all but its kind of overblown.
Who has Getz signed/hired besides some stopgaps like Nicky Lopez and Tim Hill?
Everyone was convinced we'd get Salvador Perez and Whit Merrifield. That didn't happen.
Everyone was certain that Dayton Moore was coming. That didn't happen.
Getz was buddies with Bannister from his days in KC. So what? Bannister worked for Boston and SF and did good things. Should they not have brought him on board because they had a KC connection?
Am I missing any super important signing/hiring that was given to a KC person longterm? Anyone who gets a job is going to hire people they previously worked with. Its how the world works.
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8 minutes ago, WestEddy said:
It has been proven otherwise. Everybody screamed about hiring from within. Getz brought in people from other organizations. He's changing the focus of international scouting. We'll see what the 2024 draft looks like.
But to declare it to be a continuation of Hahn/KW is just lazy. Again, I get not liking the hire, and being slow to offer any positive feedback on anything until he shows he's not a lapdog. Great. But there are clear differences in approach.
Keeping Nastrini and Montgomery at AAA to further develop is one clear difference.
Weird how all the people who were wailing about Nastrini making the rotation after only a small amount of AAA innings aren't stepping up and voicing their approval for starting him off in Charlotte. I get it that the Clevenger signing mutes everything else.
"He's just a continuation of the previous regime"
As if the team had hired Josh Barfield to run the whole thing, people would magically be content. hahaha no way.
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1 minute ago, baseball_gal_aly said:
It's not that simple, I think Sox fans would be more willing to give the new guy a chance if he was a qualified individual from a successful organization. The fact that it's Getz to most is a change in name only, and is seen to most as a continuation of the Hahn/KW regime until proven otherwise.
I think it is that simple. The guy turned over an incredible % of the roster in one offseason. His top assistants in the front office are all from outside the organization. He has clearly been operating differently than the previous guys. People just like to b****.
We don't know if he'll end up being any good at his job... but so far it doesn't seem like a change in name only.
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12 minutes ago, WestEddy said:
I'm not arguing that Getz is great, good, or even competent. But it gets tiresome having to pretend that every single move this team makes is tragically horrible, and then we all whine that we can no longer be White Sox fans because we're dead inside.
A significant portion of the fanbase has just been pouting for the last 10 months. The rebuild failed. It sucks. They are bad now. Get over it.
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4 minutes ago, Quin said:
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I didn't like them hiring Getz at the time and wished they did a more extensive search and interview process.
That being said, its unfair to him to simplify it like this. He obviously is doing things differently than the last regime. If the system wasn't developing enough players while he was the farm director, that could fall on him. It also could fall on the guys picking the players. It also could fall on his bosses not listening to him in terms of promotions/demotions etc. Its hard to tell from our point of view.
"Getz was director of player development, therefore every move he makes is bad,.. even when its an insignificant move like DFAing a fringe prospect that he failed to develop in his prior capacity as farm director" sounds like a nonsense take to me.
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When they play in Sacramento, will they be called the Oakland Athletics? Sacramento Athletics? Vegas Athletics?
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If they can't develop and all their guys suck, why the handwringing about dropping one of those guys?
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On Soxtalk, Mena is somehow simultaneously a future stud who will haunt us and also an example of the organization's failures to develop talent.
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9 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:
I did mention a hometown discount.
Just because a contract looks good for a team a couple years after it is signed, doesn't mean it was a hometown discount.
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I figured NBC Sports would just go away and Stadium Network would get the rights to the same games and take its place on all the same cable carriers and streaming services. I would imagine you could get the same/similar carriage fees and the teams wouldn't have to split with Comcast/NBC.
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23 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:
How much cash are you willing to eat to move Benintendi?
I guess it depends on how good he is and what type of returns are possible.
Obviously, I'd take very little back in terms of players if it meant we could clear most of his $ and roster spot. He doesn't really line up with the new window.
If we are getting an actual prospect, I'd be ok with eating a decent amount too.
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I'd love for them to extend Crochet. I'd also like to see a guy like Soroka get an extension if he pitches well. In the future, your rotation could be Crochet, Fedde, Soroka, and whoever is good out of Nastrini, Eder, Thorpe, Cannon, Bush, Iriarte, and eventually Schultz.
At some point, you're going to have to lock guys in for 2025-26 and beyond.
If there's a market, the guys I'd trade are Kopech, Clevinger, any reliever not named Jordan Leasure, Eloy, Moncada, Benitendi, Vaughn.
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Why would today be the bullpen day rather than yesterday? I'd think Soroka would be more able to pitch on a 4 man rotation schedule than Crochet. What am I missing?
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Keep in mind this offseason was not like a normal offseason. The two best SPs on the market didn't sign until Spring Training was well underway.
It is is possible no one wanted him. It's also possible he was asking for too much and teams moved on and made other signings and he ended up accepting the Sox offer. Michael Lorenzen doesn't have any crazy red flags, right? Did no one want him?
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8 minutes ago, whitesoxfan99 said:
It isn't right but fans are more willing to forgive having unsavory characters if their team is actually good and/or the player is a premium talent. The White Sox are going to be atrocious this year with or without Clevinger and he is a mediocre pitcher.
I get it... but if one is taking such a strong stance in support victims of abuse, its very bizarre that they lose their principles or make an exception based on how good the team or the player is. What's the winning percentage that makes domestic abuse tolerable? To me, that's more gross.
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1 minute ago, joejoesox said:
his off field issues include stamping out lit cigarettes on his child. you wanna ask why no other team wanted him at the deadline, should be asking why the Sox were willing to look the other way
I don't remember this being an allegation. I thought she said they got into a fight and he got angry and threw a bottle of dip spit and it got on the baby. Obviously very bad, but it is much different than deliberately taking a lit cigarette and stamping it out on a baby. That's like psychotic s%*#.
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I get someone being upset/not liking him due to the allegations. At the same time, I feel like the reactions to him are very extreme. Someone like Aroldis Chapman had more concrete allegations and when the Cubs had him, it was all "Well, sometimes athletes are unsavory characters. Theo wants to win" type vibes.
I don't know what Clevinger did or didn't do. I do know that they had him around the team for a season. I find it hard to believe that they'd bring him back if it was as black and white as people on the outside act.
I don't personally like the guy but get some innings out of him, hope he's good. Trade him for a piece if he does well.
Can't help but think that a lot of the people saying they aren't fans anymore or they want the team to move are being a little performative.
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8 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:
Reynaldo Lopez in his opening year felt something a little weird in his elbow. The trainers came out, he said he was fine, they went in. Jose Abreu walked to the mound, asked him what was up, he said he felt something weird, Abreu immediately called the trainers back out, they took him out and he went on the 10 day IL just to make sure something small didn't turn into something big. While the trainers needed to do a better job, this was Jose Abreu being the adult in the room and not letting his 23 year old starter overexert himself and hurt himself long term. The correct person in this scenario was Abreu.
A player has to explain what they feel. A trainer isn't a mind reader. If they say they feel ok and its a lie, what is the trainer supposed to do?
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So what does this look like? He pitches half a year until he gets to 100ish innings and then gets shut down? Gaps in between starts? Does 100 IP sound right? If so, whats the target for next year?
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I have YouTubeTV and they removed MLB network from their channel lineup a year or so ago. ESPN stopped doing daily Baseball Tonight a while back. I'm looking for a highlight show to watch as I go to bed. Anyone know of an option on another channel/streaming service/youtube? I know MLB does like youtube recaps but from what I see, its just random clips thrown together with no context or anything. Without any host or graphics, its just plays strung together and I can't follow what's happening.
I can't believe out of ESPN, ESPN2, ESPN News, ESPN+, FSN, Stadium, FanDuelTV, CBS/Paramount, Warners/Turner, NBC Universal etc. there isn't one traditional highlight show available for MLB. ESPN and Fox is all NFL offseason talk and idiots sitting around tables yelling at each other about nonsense. Has baseball become that niche?
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1 minute ago, Balta1701 said:
While possible, an appearance in 2025 is very aggressive for Zavala. He is 19 currently and has 50 plate appearances in High A ball. A normal pace for him would be High-A for most of 2024, AA for most of 2025, some time at AAA in 2026, and a big league debut that year. He could be better than this, but rushing guys up based on the needs of the big league club rather than giving guys time to grow up is very much a Hahn thing.
Quero, as a catcher, is also a guy who could easily be a 2026 callup, giving him more time to be comfortable with catching. That would be repeating some levels for him, but with a catcher who you expect to be a good defender, that can be important.
I was just going off mlb pipeline's ETA. You're probably right on those two... but still... there's an influx of guys coming and a lot of money available. This doesn't have to be some prolonged rebuild.
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